Can you believe the state of CT gun owners?

[RobertNashville]

Sorry. I see letting a bunch of liberal/socialists that have the temporary political power revoke your rights when you live in a more free state such as we do now, and then pack up after doing little or nothing to run to another state as completely giving up.

When there is a fight to preserve your rights, stand up and FIGHT! If you lose, regroup, reorganize, re-plan, and try again. Giving up and inaction is letting them win. Hell, I wish the left had some of you guys mindset; they'd face opposition and just run back to Commifornia, NY or the like and give-up.

A lot of what I read on these gun forums tells me the real fighters are on the left, not the right. Everything I hear from the right is comply or run. Most of you have made you mind up if you can't get an immediate victory, that you'll just immediately give-up. :down:

FYI, the left has been in this fight for close to 100 years and they haven't given up for a second. At the most, when they have a loss, they regroup and go back to the drawing board, find their mistakes, reorganize and start again.

Take a page out of their playbook. Get in the fight and stay in it to win. :up:

I think you are painting with an awfully broad brush.

 

Yes; everyone should do what they can to protect their rights (assuming they care about them in the first place) but everyone also has to decided what is best for them and their family; maybe that will be staying and fight or maybe that will be leaving to find a better place to live. I see the process as being no different than deciding whether to eat or not eat at a particular "posted" restaurant...the right decision for one person may be wrong for another.

 

Once a state has reached the destination of NY and CT I think it's probably time to get out because I suspect they are much too far gone to be saved...better to let them wallow in their own liberal sewage.

[tnguy]

I stand corrected.  Unfortunately, regardless of fault...the problem is that the filibuster rules changed. :(

 

The one possible good thing about it is that it may focus attention on the 2014 elections and create a bigger R turnout. Unfortunately, with the quality of R candidates these days, that's not such a good thing anyway.

Edited January 2, 2014 by tnguy

[eRay]

It will reach our state eventually. We already see tons of liberals influencing our state. At some point we will see the tide turn enough that our guns will be seriously threatened. We have way too many who want something for nothing for our state to not become a liberal stronghold. Stand in Walmart or any other major grocery store after the first of the month and watch the EBT cards fly. And every single one of those will vote democrat as long as they continue to get their cupcakes, coffee, sirloins and lobsters tail for free. And along with those votes for free food comes votes against our guns.

 

I have said it 90% of gun owners would turn their guns in. 7% would hide their guns away and 3% would actively fight. Problem is the 90% would readily rat out the other 10%.

 

People might think I am awful but all those "assistance" or "benefit" programs should go away. And if they can't feed their children then they should do the right thing and turn them over to someone who can. I can guarantee that 90% of the items I see getting bought are not for the kids and if they are then the parents should not be parents. Using most of the EBT money for what I have seen just tells me they are as not bad off as they make people think. I know if I was in dire need, and I have been, I would not waste money on lobster because that is a lot of beans and rice.

 

There should be a lifetime limit on assistance because everyone hits hard times from time to time. Make the lifetime limit 3 years. If you choose to use it from 18-21 then you are done for life. If at age 30 you hit hard times and your benefits have already been used you better have family or friends to take care of you. If you don't then you either starve or work. Too many people think they are too good to work, no wonder when the government is giving them everything. Hunger can be a powerful motivator and I bet those who are starving would gladly work for a few hamburgers a day.

 

I bet people in the states that have constitutional carry are saying that they can't believe people in Tennessee don't stand up and willingly pay for their right to carry a firearm.

I think this is about what will happen. It is not a question of IF but WHEN. I am older and hope it is after my lifetime. A few will hide their guns. Most will turn them in. They will catch one law abiding citizen in each community with a hidden gun and give him 10 years in prison. After that most people with hidden guns will throw them in a deep lake.

[Hershmeister]

My great grandfather threw his pistol off a bridge after the nazi gun laws were put into place after the 1938 takeover of Austria. Harsh penalties dissuade honest people. He was subsequently murdered in the Holocaust along with many other family members. As his gun rested on the bottom of the river.

[Oh Shoot]

I bought the new Ruger SR1911 the other day and noticed that it was made in Prescott, Arizona, not Southport Conn. like the ones I bought about 15 years ago.
Guess the gun owning residents need to follow the gun manufacturers...out of the state.

 

Nothing changed with Ruger in long time AFAIK -- headquarters still in Southport, CT. Plants in Newport, NH and Prescott, AZ. And they just bought a facility in NC.

 

I believe the Prescott facility was acquired primarily to make golf club heads back in the day, which they still do.

 

- OS

[JohnC]

Some warnings from history...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ABw6IMKn0

Around 21:10 is the gun control by Nazis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baApAqBK82Q Edited January 4, 2014 by JohnC

[Guest theconstitutionrocks]

When I look at those HUNDREDS of people in line I have to ask this...

 

What would happen if, instead of lining up, unarmed, to register their weapons to comply with a blatantly unconstitutional law (which now PROHIBITS purchasing an "assault weapon" after Apr 2013), these hundreds of people had decended upon their town city hall, armed to the teeth with the weapons they are registering, and stood their ground on the lawn to assert their right against infringement? What could the state do? Do you honestly think they would risk a gun battle with armed citizens simply trying to retain their rights? If they were fired upon without provocation the national outrage would be huge.

 

When all this garbage started back in Jan 2013, I emailed my local state senator. I got a response that he was decidedly against a new federal AWB, and his voting record showed it. Tennessee was one of several states actively debating the issue of nullification if the AWB had ever passed. Irrespective of that, as I said earlier. If the situation that is now happening in Connecticut ever happened here in Tennessee (which I don't see happening because we have a lot of good, decent, just people in authority), I say then that the people should stand their ground, not comply, do it publicly, armed, and if,God Forbid, it ever came down to house to house arrests, then we, as a body of citizens, should respond to protect our neighbors in their time of need. It is right, it is just, and it could be necessary.

[DaveTN]

When I look at those HUNDREDS of people in line I have to ask this...
 
What would happen if, instead of lining up, unarmed, to register their weapons to comply with a blatantly unconstitutional law (which now PROHIBITS purchasing an "assault weapon" after Apr 2013), these hundreds of people had decended upon their town city hall, armed to the teeth with the weapons they are registering, and stood their ground on the lawn to assert their right against infringement? What could the state do? Do you honestly think they would risk a gun battle with armed citizens simply trying to retain their rights? If they were fired upon without provocation the national outrage would be huge.
 
When all this garbage started back in Jan 2013, I emailed my local state senator. I got a response that he was decidedly against a new federal AWB, and his voting record showed it. Tennessee was one of several states actively debating the issue of nullification if the AWB had ever passed. Irrespective of that, as I said earlier. If the situation that is now happening in Connecticut ever happened here in Tennessee (which I don't see happening because we have a lot of good, decent, just people in authority), I say then that the people should stand their ground, not comply, do it publicly, armed, and if,God Forbid, it ever came down to house to house arrests, then we, as a body of citizens, should respond to protect our neighbors in their time of need. It is right, it is just, and it could be necessary.

Did this legislation come as a surprise? Did the CT legislature hold secret meetings and pass this legislation? If not, where were these people who are ready to die for their gun rights prior to the legislation being passed?

Show up armed and do what? As long as they are taking no action why would anyone get in a gun battle with them?

They also won’t go house to house as with any other law they will deal with it as individual violations present themselves. An armed engagement with the Police would only result in prison or death; not many are going to be willing to go that route.

[Links2k]

Did this legislation come as a surprise? Did the CT legislature hold secret meetings and pass this legislation? If not, where were these people who are ready to die for their gun rights prior to the legislation being passed?Show up armed and do what? As long as they are taking no action why would anyone get in a gun battle with them?They also won’t go house to house as with any other law they will deal with it as individual violations present themselves. An armed engagement with the Police would only result in prison or death; not many are going to be willing to go that route.

Your reasoning and logic is going to remove all of the drama from this thread.

[RobertNashville]

Did this legislation come as a surprise? Did the CT legislature hold secret meetings and pass this legislation? If not, where were these people who are ready to die for their gun rights prior to the legislation being passed?

Show up armed and do what? As long as they are taking no action why would anyone get in a gun battle with them?

They also won’t go house to house as with any other law they will deal with it as individual violations present themselves. An armed engagement with the Police would only result in prison or death; not many are going to be willing to go that route.

Well, it's always easy to talk about an armed rebellion (especially if it's someone else doing the rebelling)...quite another to actually participate in one.

[Garufa]

About that picture of Connecticut gun owners....

 

Every gun owner in this country will eventually stand in the same line.  There's no stopping it.

[JohnC]

About that picture of Connecticut gun owners....
 
Every gun owner in this country will eventually stand in the same line.  There's no stopping it.

If you do nothing and just comply, that will be true.

But as the many political battles that have been fought to preserve our rights, or renew them, historically show us, if we get off our asses and do something, we can keep ourselves out of that line.

Again, I keep hearing nothing from gun owners and conservatives except comply or run. You all sound like you've already given up. Hell, even the polls about gun rights from the overall citizens show more are in favor than are opposed. You're essentially letting a minority revoke your rights with the stroke of a pen with no opposition or fight. I just don't understand you people that are so easily willing to surrender your constitutional rights to a bunch od spineless left-wing political asshats.

[Guest theconstitutionrocks]

Did this legislation come as a surprise? Did the CT legislature hold secret meetings and pass this legislation? If not, where were these people who are ready to die for their gun rights prior to the legislation being passed?

Show up armed and do what? As long as they are taking no action why would anyone get in a gun battle with them?

They also won’t go house to house as with any other law they will deal with it as individual violations present themselves. An armed engagement with the Police would only result in prison or death; not many are going to be willing to go that route. 

 

.....You ask absolutely valid questions. No, the decisions were not made in secret, they knew this was coming. With regard to showing up armed...it is a show of force and numbers. Is it a dangerous proposition...of course. The intent is to force the hand of those in authority. They either have to act or back off. I will readily grant you that a gun fight is a very bad thing for all involved, and "winning" is subjective at best. My point is...after you have expended all possible efforts to resolve an unconstitutional ruling, and nothing is working, you have two options. Either roll over and take it, or resist. That is a choice, that you correctly state, each individual must make. Neither is a good option. If you give up, you empower those who are abusing those rights to simply keep doing it. If you fight, well...yeah, the outcome may be very well as you describe

[Ray Z]

"We the people" strive to be law biding citizens. If it's the law we go by it. Whether we like it or not. And those idiots we elected count on that. I honestly believe that this is like a chess game. They are thinking moves ahead of what their goal is. Clinton did it. He said that they were going to this and that and this and that against our gun rights. Everybody got up in arms. screamed and hollered for a while. Then he only did one or two of the things he said he was going to do and we thought we protected our rights. After he did this half a dozen times he got what he wanted.

Thing back to 1934. The government restricted "those gangster guns". Today you have to have holes in your hands to get one. In 1968 the "you know what" hit the fan. Since then Uncle Sam has restricted the types of guns and ammunition that could be imported. The day of the $65 AK-47 and $99 case of ammo is over. I remember when 7.62x39 cases were 6 inches deep in front of firing line at the rifle range. Today there are fewer and fewer people at the range.

Now that the restrictions are in place, ammo and guns are being taxed to death. Fewer and fewer of us can afford
to buy a gun. And feeding it cost an arm and a leg. The ATF gets a chunk, the state department gets a chunk,and the state gets a chunk.
Why, because they can. The term we use is "back door gun control". Most don't have time to complain to the government. We are too busy making enough money to feed and keep a roof over our families.
"We the people" are getting fewer and fewer.

CT is just the start. Once the supreme court concludes that the state has the right to do something. Other states will fall in line. Then "We the people" will take another hit.

[JohnC]

"We the people" strive to be law biding citizens. If it's the law we go by it. Whether we like it or not. And those idiots we elected count on that. I honestly believe that this is like a chess game. They are thinking moves ahead of what their goal is. Clinton did it. He said that they were going to this and that and this and that against our gun rights. Everybody got up in arms. screamed and hollered for a while. Then he only did one or two of the things he said he was going to do and we thought we protected our rights. After he did this half a dozen times he got what he wanted.

Thing back to 1934. The government restricted "those gangster guns". Today you have to have holes in your hands to get one. In 1968 the "you know what" hit the fan. Since then Uncle Sam has restricted the types of guns and ammunition that could be imported. The day of the $65 AK-47 and $99 case of ammo is over. I remember when 7.62x39 cases were 6 inches deep in front of firing line at the rifle range. Today there are fewer and fewer people at the range.

Now that the restrictions are in place, ammo and guns are being taxed to death. Fewer and fewer of us can afford
to buy a gun. And feeding it cost an arm and a leg. The ATF gets a chunk, the state department gets a chunk,and the state gets a chunk.
Why, because they can. The term we use is "back door gun control". Most don't have time to complain to the government. We are too busy making enough money to feed and keep a roof over our families.
"We the people" are getting fewer and fewer.

CT is just the start. Once the supreme court concludes that the state has the right to do something. Other states will fall in line. Then "We the people" will take another hit.

 

If a well organized peaceful non-violent non-compliance happens, will you join, or will you willingly give up your rights?

 

That is the question I ask of every gun owner on this forum if you will honestly respond.

[DaveTN]

.....You ask absolutely valid questions. No, the decisions were not made in secret, they knew this was coming. With regard to showing up armed...it is a show of force and numbers. Is it a dangerous proposition...of course. The intent is to force the hand of those in authority. They either have to act or back off. I will readily grant you that a gun fight is a very bad thing for all involved, and "winning" is subjective at best. My point is...after you have expended all possible efforts to resolve an unconstitutional ruling, and nothing is working, you have two options. Either roll over and take it, or resist. That is a choice, that you correctly state, each individual must make. Neither is a good option. If you give up, you empower those who are abusing those rights to simply keep doing it. If you fight, well...yeah, the outcome may be very well as you describe

We came close to having a confrontation happen on July 4th when Adam Kokesh tried to get a band of people to openly carry loaded weapons through Washington DC. Kokesh said that if he was stopped by force he would respond with force.

Kokesh was in between his pot smoking exhibitions and must have been high when he came up with this plan. I have no doubt how that would have ended. The Police were prepared and stated publically that the group would be arrested if they crossed into Washington. The Police would have taken them into custody one by one as they crossed the bridge. If he or anyone else pointed a gun, or fired on Police they would have been shot.

Of course he backed off and decided not to try it. Why? Because he knew that he was either going to be arrested on weapons charges or die on that bridge. The option of parading through DC with weapons just wasn’t going to happen.

[DaveTN]

If a well organized peaceful non-violent non-compliance happens, will you join, or will you willingly give up your rights?

What makes you think that Tennessee is going to have you stand in line to register firearms? Ask the question in the way it would go down. Would you be willing to be arrested, cuffed in front of your family, hauled off to jail, convicted of a felony, and lose the ability to legally own any guns? Do you work? Would you be able to keep your job with a felony conviction or still have it after spending time in jail? Do you have a family to support? It’s easy to say what you would do when you are sure you won’t have to make those decisions.

I would comply with the law and work to change it. I already played the game of non-compliance. It was one of the stupidest things I ever did in my life. I was cuffed and stuffed and taken to trial. Luckily I had the money to afford lawyers that got me out of it without a conviction showing. Would I do it again? Absolutely not. No one helped me including the dirt bags at the NRA. You will be on your own.
 

That is the question I ask of every gun owner on this forum if you will honestly respond.

And you? Since we are safely playing “What if” about a scenario that will never happen in this state; what would have us believe you would do?

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1089581" timestamp="1388935637"]What makes you think that Tennessee is going to have you stand in line to register firearms? Ask the question in the way it would go down. Would you be willing to be arrested, cuffed in front of your family, hauled off to jail, convicted of a felony, and lose the ability to legally own any guns? Do you work? Would you be able to keep your job with a felony conviction or still have it after spending time in jail? Do you have a family to support? It’s easy to say what you would do when you are sure you won’t have to make those decisions. I would comply with the law and work to change it. I already played the game of non-compliance. It was one of the stupidest things I ever did in my life. I was cuffed and stuffed and taken to trial. Luckily I had the money to afford lawyers that got me out of it without a conviction showing. Would I do it again? Absolutely not. No one helped me including the dirt bags at the NRA. You will be on your own. And you? Since we are safely playing “What if” about a scenario that will never happen in this state; what would have us believe you would do?[/quote] You didn't ask me but I will give you an answer anyways. I have a list (we should all have a list) when that day comes to TN (and it will) I will start checking names off of that list until the government checks my name off of one of their lists.

[DaveTN]

You didn't ask me but I will give you an answer anyways.

I had no doubt of what your answer would be.
 

I have a list (we should all have a list) when that day comes to TN (and it will) I will start checking names off of that list until the government checks my name off of one of their lists.

But I don't understands what that means.

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1089599" timestamp="1388937585"]I had no doubt of what your answer would be. But I don't understands what that means.[/quote] I'll leave that up to your imagination. It can mean whatever you want to think it means. :lol:

Edited January 5, 2014 by Chucktshoes

[JohnC]

I would comply with the law and work to change it. I already played the game of non-compliance. It was one of the stupidest things I ever did in my life. I was cuffed and stuffed and taken to trial. Luckily I had the money to afford lawyers that got me out of it without a conviction showing. Would I do it again? Absolutely not. No one helped me including the dirt bags at the NRA. You will be on your own.
 

 

 

On what gun-rights issue and how did this go down? I'd like to at least learn from your experience. You can PM it to me if you don't want it public and I'll keep it between us. :up:

[Ray Z]

I'm not talking about violent revolution. It's not going to happen tomorrow. Our country signed the UN document taking guns away from civilians. They will do it a little at a time. But rest assured they will do it if we don't stop them.

Here comes one of my long short stories. When my oldest boy was in the 4th grade, [he's 41 now] he came home from school as usual but quietly went right to his room. His usual routine was to empty the refrigerator, ware out the dog chasing him around the back yard, and pick at least 2 fights with his younger brother before dinner. finely after calling him half a dozen times he came to dinner. He was quietly picking at his food when I asked him if he felt OK. His response was " Daddy, are you a bad man?" Naturally I choked on my last bite and asked him why he asked such a question. He responded that "His teacher said that anybody that owned a gun was bad.

Needless to say I lost a days work the next day. I went to his school and called his teacher out of the classroom and asked her if she had said that. She said that she had and that is was on the school curriculum for the 4th grade, and she had nothing to do with it except do what she was told. With my blood pressure creeping up I went to the principal with the same question. He told me that he had nothing to do with the decision, that it came from the school board. I confronted the board at their next meeting and was told that it came from the state board. I contacted someone from that board and was told that someone would be getting back to me in a day or two. Needless to say they never got back to me, even after half a dozen calls.

Neither the local or the major newspapers had any interest in what was going on. Note all newspapers in Cincinnati are liberal. The biggest paper was owned by Gannett. One of the most anti gun medias we have.

If you haven't already guessed where I'm going with this, our kids were, and are being brainwashed against guns. My sons have been enjoying the shooting sports because I have taught them how to.

[JohnC]

I'm not talking about violent revolution. It's not going to happen tomorrow. Our country signed the UN document taking guns away from civilians. They will do it a little at a time. But rest assured they will do it if we don't stop them.

Here comes one of my long short stories. When my oldest boy was in the 4th grade, [he's 41 now] he came home from school as usual but quietly went right to his room. His usual routine was to empty the refrigerator, ware out the dog chasing him around the back yard, and pick at least 2 fights with his younger brother before dinner. finely after calling him half a dozen times he came to dinner. He was quietly picking at his food when I asked him if he felt OK. His response was " Daddy, are you a bad man?" Naturally I choked on my last bite and asked him why he asked such a question. He responded that "His teacher said that anybody that owned a gun was bad.

Needless to say I lost a days work the next day. I went to his school and called his teacher out of the classroom and asked her if she had said that. She said that she had and that is was on the school curriculum for the 4th grade, and she had nothing to do with it except do what she was told. With my blood pressure creeping up I went to the principal with the same question. He told me that he had nothing to do with the decision, that it came from the school board. I confronted the board at their next meeting and was told that it came from the state board. I contacted someone from that board and was told that someone would be getting back to me in a day or two. Needless to say they never got back to me, even after half a dozen calls.

Neither the local or the major newspapers had any interest in what was going on. Note all newspapers in Cincinnati are liberal. The biggest paper was owned by Gannett. One of the most anti gun medias we have.

If you haven't already guessed where I'm going with this, our kids were, and are being brainwashed against guns. My sons have been enjoying the shooting sports because I have taught them how to.

 

 

They have doubled down on that now. :down:

 

They treat the kids themselves like terrorists now if they wear a pro-gun, pro-2A, NRA shirts, or even draw a gun and/or play like a cowboy. They interrogate them and even have hauled some off to juvenile. So they're not just telling them Daddy is an evil bad man for owning guns, they're also instilling the anti-gun-rights in them through fear and punishment. That really instills in them that guns are bad!

 

I've said it before, but if folks don't get back in to being involved in the education system, etc., the left-wing will continue to take control of the curriculum and before long, they'll be turning out little socialists who hate guns and the constitution, etc.

[Rowdy]

Now that the restrictions are in place, ammo and guns are being taxed to death.

I agree with a lot of what you said but so far, in Tennessee anyway, after the .10 cent ammo stamp, the tax rate is the same as any other general merchandise item.

[TNSean]

I moved here from CO and watched the state go from conservative/republican to a liberal/democrat majority.

 

The issue is more and more people do not have what it takes to go out in this world and do what ever it takes to become self sufficient. As the economy worsens, the number of people like this increases., as the standard of living decreases, those type of people increase.

 

Talk to young people today. 

 

Lots of them have simply given up before they even got started. They had visions, taught by the older generations who raised them, of being able to make a great living etc.....All they talk about now is how life isn't fair, I was lied to, all I can find is a min. wage part time job, the older generations screwed up this country and stole my future etc... They want nothing more than to see wealth redistribution and most vote democrat. Around 65% and this generation is as big as the baby boomers. 

 

Also, the younger generation are more diverse and socially liberal, so when republicans rant about conservative social issues, it turns the young away and they will not vote for them even if they like what else they have to say. 

 

If the trend continues, there is no way to stop it as the old die off and the younger generation become a bigger percentage of the vote. They have the numbers. Some say we have already reached the tipping point. I don't think so personally.

Edited March 19, 2014 by TNSean