Can you believe the state of CT gun owners?

[serbu50]

I can't believe they so willingly stood in line to register they arms and magazines. I have friends there and they are terrified of Bloomberg and his Safe act. They easily and willingly stood in line this week to register their guns. Just wait for the police to start kicking doors on those who didn't though. What a terrible breaking of constitutional law. Damn them.

[Oh Shoot]

I can't believe they so willingly stood in line to register they arms and magazines. I have friends there and they are terrified of Bloomberg and his Safe act. They easily and willingly stood in line this week to register their guns. Just wait for the police to start kicking doors on those who didn't though. What a terrible breaking of constitutional law. Damn them.

 

Just a note: SAFE is NY state, not CT, and wasn't Bloomberg's baby, but Gov. Cuomo's.

 

Here are some CT stories, with pix/vids of folks in line:

 

http://www.wfsb.com/story/24327384/connecticut-gun-owners-rush-to-register-weapons-ammunition

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/26/connecticut-gun-owners-wait-in-line-to-do-something-many-gun-owners-hope-they-never-have-to/

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/26/connecticut-gun-owners-wait-in-line-to-do-something-many-gun-owners-hope-they-never-have-to/

 

And whattya gonna do there? Register or become instant felon today.

 

- OS

Edited January 1, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[serbu50]

Bloomy started it. I think he's been after this for for a few years. cuomo is to blame. But that damn Bloomy has the money to personally help fund this crap. Either way, I don't see TN residents caving so easily. There would be an uprising.

[DaveTN]

With gun rights moving in the right direction; it’s sad to see stuff like that.

It’s not the peoples fault; it’s the legislators that passed the laws fault. I’m sure many people will refuse to comply,. But they will be arrested and charged with felonies with little fanfare as their weapons are discovered.

People in Tennessee would line up just as they did in CT. But I doubt that we will have to worry about that; our legislators will not pass those laws.

[BigK]

With gun rights moving in the right direction; it’s sad to see stuff like that.It’s not the peoples fault; it’s the legislators that passed the laws fault. I’m sure many people will refuse to comply,. But they will be arrested and charged with felonies with little fanfare as their weapons are discovered.People in Tennessee would line up just as they did in CT. But I doubt that we will have to worry about that; our legislators will not pass those laws.

I apologize in advance, since this sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but this is 100% the fault of CT citizens: First, they elected these buffoons to office and second, the gun owners in that line are not there against their will, there's UHaul trucks in CT too.

I'd like to think we just have better sense at the poll than CT, but I mostly believe that we are just more like-minded here in TN. We're lucky to have fewer hand-wringing ninnies than they have. If you find yourself in unsavory company, you run them off or you leave. Those poor gunowners up there that didn't move when they law was passed bent over and took it, voluntarily.

[Dolomite_supafly]

With gun rights moving in the right direction; it’s sad to see stuff like that.

It’s not the peoples fault; it’s the legislators that passed the laws fault. I’m sure many people will refuse to comply,. But they will be arrested and charged with felonies with little fanfare as their weapons are discovered.

People in Tennessee would line up just as they did in CT. But I doubt that we will have to worry about that; our legislators will not pass those laws.

 

It will reach our state eventually. We already see tons of liberals influencing our state. At some point we will see the tide turn enough that our guns will be seriously threatened. We have way too many who want something for nothing for our state to not become a liberal stronghold. Stand in Walmart or any other major grocery store after the first of the month and watch the EBT cards fly. And every single one of those will vote democrat as long as they continue to get their cupcakes, coffee, sirloins and lobsters tail for free. And along with those votes for free food comes votes against our guns.

 

I have said it 90% of gun owners would turn their guns in. 7% would hide their guns away and 3% would actively fight. Problem is the 90% would readily rat out the other 10%.

 

People might think I am awful but all those "assistance" or "benefit" programs should go away. And if they can't feed their children then they should do the right thing and turn them over to someone who can. I can guarantee that 90% of the items I see getting bought are not for the kids and if they are then the parents should not be parents. Using most of the EBT money for what I have seen just tells me they are as not bad off as they make people think. I know if I was in dire need, and I have been, I would not waste money on lobster because that is a lot of beans and rice.

 

There should be a lifetime limit on assistance because everyone hits hard times from time to time. Make the lifetime limit 3 years. If you choose to use it from 18-21 then you are done for life. If at age 30 you hit hard times and your benefits have already been used you better have family or friends to take care of you. If you don't then you either starve or work. Too many people think they are too good to work, no wonder when the government is giving them everything. Hunger can be a powerful motivator and I bet those who are starving would gladly work for a few hamburgers a day.

 

I bet people in the states that have constitutional carry are saying that they can't believe people in Tennessee don't stand up and willingly pay for their right to carry a firearm.

[Links2k]

I agree with DaveTn. I don't see registration occurring in Tennessee, but if it did someone would be like that guy who punched the old man a few weeks ago while attempting to make a point. That person will get nuked by our fine Tennessee law enforcement officers (some of which are also gun enthusiast and very good shots). Next thing you know we'll be standing in line drinking coffee and eating doughnuts bitching about you know who. Edited January 1, 2014 by LINKS2K

[Guest RebelCowboySnB]

 

I bet people in the states that have constitutional carry are saying that they can't believe people in Tennessee don't stand up and willingly pay for their right to carry a firearm.

 

This...
 

[JayC]

DaveTN might be right there could be a number of people willing to go live up and register their firearms...  but there would be enough who believed an unlawful and unconstitutional (remember the state constitution only grants the state Legislature the power to regulate the wearing of firearms not the ownership) law was enough to free them from their social contract with society.

 

I think sometimes people think that gun rights folks are all like Voldemort, willing to go out and confront the government head on... in some type of suicidal rush...  I think that is painting a cartoon character instead of facing reality.

 

Me personally?  I'd close up my businesses and move to a more free state and never set foot back here again in my life.

 

I agree with DaveTn. I don't see registration occurring in Tennessee, but if it did someone would be like that guy who punched the old man a few weeks ago while attempting to make a point. That person will get nuked by our fine Tennessee law enforcement officers (some of which are also gun enthusiast and very good shots). Next thing you know we'll be standing in line drinking coffee and eating doughnuts bitching about you know who.

[RobertNashville]

...And whattya gonna do there? Register or become instant felon today.
 
- OS

I have no desire to become an instant felon but I also understand the importance of the right to keep and bear arms. So, in the short run I would be finding some place to store all my weapons legally out-of-state and out of the hands of Connecticut's law enforcement agencies. I would then, concurrently, be looking for a place to live where the legislature and the people still have some common sense.

I fully realize the difficulty of moving to a new state and finding a new job and all that goes with it but I did exactly that 17 years ago when I moved to Tennessee and I would do it again today. I also realize, that I might only be delaying the inevitable but better that than becoming a felon by not following the law or following the law and eventually losing one of the foundational elements of being a free man.

[Chucktshoes]

Kurt Hoffman says it better than I can.

 

 

This, remember, comes right on the heels of our latest reminder (as if one were needed) that gun registration is tantamount to confiscation. And still, gun owners are rushing, scrambling, and even waiting in long lines--to facilitate the eventual confiscation of their own firearms. This, the "pragmatic" gun owners tell us, is the cost of being a "law abiding gun owner."

That price is too high. Being "law abiding" is not worth it, not when the laws themselves are an assault on justice and decency. Some pretty impressive moral authority can be found to back up that statement:

 

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so.
Mahatma Gandhi

 

Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.

Henry David Thoreau

 

Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them.
Henry David Thoreau

 

 

No more. This correspondent will not be a "law abiding" gun owner, because that term has come to require compliance with evil.

 

The rest after the jump.

http://www.examiner.com/article/resolved-to-be-a-gun-criminal

Edited January 2, 2014 by Chucktshoes

[Wheelgunner]

These stories coming out of Connecticut remind me of a novel by Matthew Bracken. This is a very uncomfortable moment in American history for those who understand the significance of what is going on up north. Edited January 2, 2014 by Wheelgunner

[tnguy]

And whattya gonna do there? Become instant felon today or register and become a felon tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

FTFY

Edited January 2, 2014 by tnguy

[Guest TankerHC]

NY SAFE Act. Coming soon to a state near you. Upheld yesterday by a federal judge, including the 10 round magazine capacity limit. Only thing not upheld was the 7 rounds max in a 10 round mag. Judge deemed it arbitrary. That was a major NRA loss. They need to win in higher court. When it makes it to the Supreme Court it could be a major loss. Nothing in the 2A about mag capacities and nothing limiting who can own what. Scalia clarified that. Forget the people standing in line. New Yorks anti 2A problem is now everyone's problem. Plenty of appeals coming from both side's Too bad they are likely to end up in front of a Court favoring the restrictions "Constitutional, do not violate the 2A and should remain in place" as Judge Safety noted yesterday.

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[JohnC]

Me personally?  I'd close up my businesses and move to a more free state and never set foot back here again in my life.

You can't run forever. :down:

We'll be running out of free states if no one stands up and you all run or comply with the unconstitutional laws.

[JohnC]

What happened to Americans?

What happened to guys like these that wouldn't let this type of unconstitutional BS go on by a minority of politicians violating their oath of office to support the constitution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ut6yPrObw

CT Oath of Office:
 

Article 11 - Section 1 - General Provisions - Oaths

Members of the general assembly, and all officers, executive and judicial, shall, before they enter on the duties of their respective offices, take the following oath or affirmation, to wit:

You do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that you will support the constitution of the United States, and the constitution of the state of Connecticut, so long as you continue a citizen thereof; and that you will faithfully discharge, according to law, the duties of the office of____________

to the best of your abilities. So help you God.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1878#oath

http://youtu.be/g8VA8YLqvMU?t=1m45s

[JohnC]

I'm not saying arm yourselves and go start a battle, but rather at least take the first damn step to preserving your rights and get off your ass and start doing something.

It's got to be easier to fight against this anti-2A BS than hiding your guns out of state and running across America! Damn people! Wise up!

Organize gun owners and like-minded folks to protest like the dirty pot smoking hippies do and camp out for days harassing these political asshats, etc. Protest when they go to work, follow them home and protest them outside their homes.

We can make their entire stay in office absolutely miserable. We can win if we put in the time and work.

I certainly will. I've been to Washington D.C many times to join in rallies and protest over the past few years. I've also been a part of the local pro-gun rallies. I stay on top of the political news. I call politicians, write letters, sign petitions, and donate money to those who are fighting for us and our rights.

Let's not be weak-asses laying around moaning on the PC all day and make sure we fight these battle from every angle.

I'll be dammed if I'm going to end up in a line like these guys who laid over and allowed this BS to happen. And I'll be dammed if I let them restrict our 2A rights anymore.

[RobertNashville]

NY SAFE Act. Coming soon to a state near you. Upheld yesterday by a federal judge, including the 10 round magazine capacity limit. Only thing not upheld was the 7 rounds max in a 10 round mag. Judge deemed it arbitrary. That was a major NRA loss. They need to win in higher court. When it makes it to the Supreme Court it could be a major loss. Nothing in the 2A about mag capacities and nothing limiting who can own what. Scalia clarified that. Forget the people standing in line. New Yorks anti 2A problem is now everyone's problem. Plenty of appeals coming from both side's Too bad they are likely to end up in front of a Court favoring the restrictions "Constitutional, do not violate the 2A and should remain in place" as Judge Safety noted yesterday.

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Yuup and with Obama still in office and the rules of the senate changed (thank you RINOs) the Supreme Court is likely to be chuck full of liberal/progressive/"the Constitution is fluid and we should look at the laws of the rest of the world when we make our decisions" members by the time these 2A related cases work their way to the high court.

[RobertNashville]

I'm not saying arm yourselves and go start a battle, but rather at least take the first damn step to preserving your rights and get off your ass and start doing something.

It's got to be easier to fight against this anti-2A BS than hiding your guns out of state and running across America! Damn people! Wise up!

Organize gun owners and like-minded folks to protest like the dirty pot smoking hippies do and camp out for days harassing these political asshats, etc. Protest when they go to work, follow them home and protest them outside their homes.

We can make their entire stay in office absolutely miserable. We can win if we put in the time and work.

I certainly will. I've been to Washington D.C many times to join in rallies and protest over the past few years. I've also been a part of the local pro-gun rallies. I stay on top of the political news. I call politicians, write letters, sign petitions, and donate money to those who are fighting for us and our rights.

Let's not be weak-asses laying around moaning on the PC all day and make sure we fight these battle from every angle.

I'll be dammed if I'm going to end up in a line like these guys who laid over and allowed this BS to happen. And I'll be dammed if I let them restrict our 2A rights anymore.

Unlike the "dirty pot smoking hippies" who are likely either living off mommy and daddy OR our tax dollars, most gun owners/people with a brain actually have to work for a living so I don't think most of us can do what they do.

 

I've been to DC for a number of tea party related (and not related) events and protests too and I donate/belong to just about every pro-2A group out there as well as several conservative groups and I would encourage everyone who actually cares about their rights (beyond posting about them here and on FB) to do the same.

 

Check out the NRA, GOA, NAFGR, USCCA, Freedom Works, Senate Conservatives Fund and others.

 

To be blunt, however, I believe we are fighting a losing battle...I'm not saying we shouldn't fight but I'm not all that hopeful about the outcome; not after the 2012 election. I still have a slim...very slim hope for this year's mid-term elections but I think the experiment is done and that people's greed, laziness and general immorality has won out over such concepts as charity, the golden rule, the value of work and freedom.

[Oh Shoot]

Yuup and with Obama still in office and the rules of the senate changed (thank you RINOs) ..

 

??? No Republicans, RINO or otherwise voted for the change. 3 Dems even voted with the Republicans against it. Final tally was 52-48.

 

- OS

Edited January 2, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[BigK]

I have no desire to become an instant felon but I also understand the importance of the right to keep and bear arms. So, in the short run I would be finding some place to store all my weapons legally out-of-state and out of the hands of Connecticut's law enforcement agencies. I would then, concurrently, be looking for a place to live where the legislature and the people still have some common sense.
I fully realize the difficulty of moving to a new state and finding a new job and all that goes with it but I did exactly that 17 years ago when I moved to Tennessee and I would do it again today. I also realize, that I might only be delaying the inevitable but better that than becoming a felon by not following the law or following the law and eventually losing one of the foundational elements of being a free man.

This is why our Founding Fathers gave the majority of powers to the States (not that the Feds haven't encroached on them). It allowed us the freedoms to live with like-minded folks that agreed with one another. If you don't like how a state conducts its affairs you can find one that you do like.

Like you said, it is a PITA, but what recourse do we have? A largely liberal-minded person who can't stand TN's gun laws can move to CT, since he's unlikely to affect the change he desires here and vice versa. I don't see that as giving up, just being practical.

[JohnC]

This is why our Founding Fathers gave the majority of powers to the States (not that the Feds haven't encroached on them). It allowed us the freedoms to live with like-minded folks that agreed with one another. If you don't like how a state conducts its affairs you can find one that you do like.

Like you said, it is a PITA, but what recourse do we have? A largely liberal-minded person who can't stand TN's gun laws can move to CT, since he's unlikely to affect the change he desires here and vice versa. I don't see that as giving up, just being practical.

Sorry. I see letting a bunch of liberal/socialists that have the temporary political power revoke your rights when you live in a more free state such as we do now, and then pack up after doing little or nothing to run to another state as completely giving up.

When there is a fight to preserve your rights, stand up and FIGHT! If you lose, regroup, reorganize, re-plan, and try again. Giving up and inaction is letting them win. Hell, I wish the left had some of you guys mindset; they'd face opposition and just run back to Commifornia, NY or the like and give-up.

A lot of what I read on these gun forums tells me the real fighters are on the left, not the right. Everything I hear from the right is comply or run. Most of you have made you mind up if you can't get an immediate victory, that you'll just immediately give-up. :down:

FYI, the left has been in this fight for close to 100 years and they haven't given up for a second. At the most, when they have a loss, they regroup and go back to the drawing board, find their mistakes, reorganize and start again.

Take a page out of their playbook. Get in the fight and stay in it to win. :up:

[The Average Joe]

I bought the new Ruger SR1911 the other day and noticed that it was made in Prescott, Arizona, not Southport Conn. like the ones I bought about 15 years ago.
Guess the gun owning residents need to follow the gun manufacturers...out of the state.
 

[serbu50]

It's going to be interesting when those who refused get busted and go to court. It's not about the states decision to go against the constitution. My point is this... 2 neighbors both have 2 lbs of cocain.. Both are illegal. Two people have AR's in CT, one registered, one didn't... One is a felon with the same exact weapon and one is not... The subject matter is the same!!! That's the thing that gets me. Both purchased legally, both own and operate them legally... One is a felon and one is not. I bet there are millions of unknown felons in CT now!!

[RobertNashville]

??? No Republicans, RINO or otherwise voted for the change. 3 Dems even voted with the Republicans against it. Final tally was 52-48.

 

- OS

I stand corrected.  Unfortunately, regardless of fault...the problem is that the filibuster rules changed. :(