The member here who was supposed to get the .22 LR from me?

[Guest TankerHC]

Couple of months ago I offered .22 LR at normal price (What I paid for them), I have a couple of thousand rounds. One member replied through my email, we were supposed to meet up. Two issues came up, first you all may recall my post about my gmail being deleted, that message was deleted and I asked all members who had sent me messages through email to send them again, never got any. THEN, I was in a head on collision, wifes car was totaled and my head went straight through the Windshield. Its only been the last few days I considered myself "recovered". It is also why I have been going back and forth to Atlanta and have not made it to Pa to get my 61 Springfield verified. Couple of members here knew because I was supposed to meet up with them and was unable to, driving more than about 30 miles and I was done. 

 

So if the member who was supposed to get the .22 LR still wants it, it is still available. Please let me know, my apologies but I cannot find any original message in my PM's. And as mentioned, all of my Emails from then vanished. 

 

It seemed to me that the .22 shortage was lightening up, which is why I made the post about it. For about three weeks I was able to walk in pretty much any time of day, even in the evening in Academy, and usually before noon at Sportsmans Warehouse and they had .22. in the last month I have not seen a single round. Couple of the Walmart employees tell me they get it in, but it's gone as soon as it comes in. Academy tells me the same thing, both of them near here. 

 

But that's not what pisses me off. This is. I was in Academy the other night and was standing there talking to the salesman and asked if they had any .22. Nope, walked over to look at the ammo and someone who heard me was bragging to me how he and some other people get there early and get "most all of it" but if I want some he would sell me some but not at normal prices. I didn't post that because I didn't know if the person may be on here, screw him. Because what pisses me off secondly is on many of the shooting and hunting forums I am seeing people ask for .22 because they bought their kids .22's for Christmas but they cant shoot them. THEN I see the post about the "deals" at the Knoxville Show. 

 

There was a point when I would agree there was a shortage, because you couldn't even get it from the distributors, and it was "What the market will bear", well now its turned into a racket. 

 

So the person who asked for the .22, it is still available. At NORMAL prices. (What I paid for it). When I see it I only buy what I am allowed and dont bring people to buy for me. Well thats going to change and I don't care who doesn't like it.

 

I have 3 people who are going to go with me, every day there is a shipment coming in to Academy, we will be standing there an hour before the doors open at Academy, 153 has different delivery days than Hamilton. 

 

Whatever ammo we can get, will be put right here at whatever prices it is selling for + 50 cents. Why the 50 cents? Because my 5.7 sucks gas. 

 

Im tired of this BS and if they can play that game, so can I (we). 

 

 

 

 

[hipower]

BRAVO, Tanker!

[krunchnik]

Yah,its really making me wonder whats going on with the 22LR.I have never seen it like this.When did reselling ammo without a FFL to make a living become the norm.All of the stores that sell ammo have to pay taxes and I am sure have to have a FFL license.I surely am not in favor of any kind of new regulation on my sport,but somethings got to happen to squelch this activity.Maybe the resellers just need to get a real job.I haven't seen any 22LR on the shelves of any of the WalMarts in the Memphis area in a year.I completely gave up searching.At this point its large caliber range time mostly.

[bersaguy]

Well, in my opinion which ain't much,I think just about every household that has a firearm in it has at least 1 or more 22 rifles from single shots to semi auto's and most of the have a 22 pistol of some type. Reason being both the guns back years ago could be purchased fairly cheap in about every department store in the country. Sears, Montgomery Ward, Western Auto, and the list goes on. Ammo was also very affordable. I remember buying a box of 50 22shorts for 49 cents and longs for 59 cents. What has really surprised me is Shotgun shells have not really been effected and like to 22's if there was a 22 in the home their was at least 1 single shot or double barrel shotgun in the house yet ammo for them has been readily available for them in all gauges. I think people began hoarding 22ls because when they did they were cheap and they knew about every home has one or more in them and they could profit from it later which is turning out to be a fact.......................j,ho 

[DaveTN]

I know you said that you don’t care what anyone thinks, but let me make a couple of observations.

The supply chain is recovering; this is a self-correcting problem. We should be refusing to buy marked up ammo from anyone no matter what their explanation of why they are doing it.

You are openly advertising that you are retailing ammo at a markup; making yourself a target for any agency that wants to make an example of someone retailing ammo. If the hammer falls on you; you won’t be seen as a good guy.

Just my opinion.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Well, in my opinion which ain't much,I think just about every household that has a firearm in it has at least 1 or more 22 rifles from single shots to semi auto's and most of the have a 22 pistol of some type. Reason being both the guns back years ago could be purchased fairly cheap in about every department store in the country. Sears, Montgomery Ward, Western Auto, and the list goes on. Ammo was also very affordable. I remember buying a box of 50 22shorts for 49 cents and longs for 59 cents. What has really surprised me is Shotgun shells have not really been effected and like to 22's if there was a 22 in the home their was at least 1 single shot or double barrel shotgun in the house yet ammo for them has been readily available for them in all gauges. I think people began hoarding 22ls because when they did they were cheap and they knew about every home has one or more in them and they could profit from it later which is turning out to be a fact.......................j,ho

Dunno if this affects demand, but I know a few places I can go shoot .22 or really about any pistol caliber, and one place I can go shoot any normal rifle caliber. There are other places but I don't want to join a club or drive a long way.

But dunno really any where I could go to shoot a shotgun, at least without joining a club or making friends with some farmer somewhere.

I've never had a shotgun, but even if I did, would have to go to a lot of trouble to go shoot it. So if there are lots of folks in that situation, then it kinda limits how many shotgun rounds the population could use for idle recreation?

[94user]

Good point Lester. Shooting groups on paper isn't something that's done with a shotgun. Shooting flying clays is and it's fun. Can't do that just anywhere.

[Guest TankerHC]

I know you said that you don’t care what anyone thinks, but let me make a couple of observations.

The supply chain is recovering; this is a self-correcting problem. We should be refusing to buy marked up ammo from anyone no matter what their explanation of why they are doing it.

You are openly advertising that you are retailing ammo at a markup; making yourself a target for any agency that wants to make an example of someone retailing ammo. If the hammer falls on you; you won’t be seen as a good guy.

Just my opinion.

 

Dave,

 

First, I havent sold any ammo at a markup. In fact I havent sold ANYTHING here at a markup, nor made ANY profit  from ANYONE here on ANYTHING  I have sold here. Secondly, if anyone doesnt want to add 50 cents to cover GAS then they dont have to, I am not going to NOT sell, even if it costs me a few cents and finally, I have something those gougers selling for 4 times what the ammo costs do not, 1000 tax stamps that I purchased back in January from Fish and Game in Nashville. I am not stupid, anyone who has purchased any ammo from me can look at the box, if I purchased it from somewhere else, first I made nothing on it and second there are TWO tax stamps on it. Whoever's and MINE. 

 

Prior to purchasing my tax in January I asked about it here, the laws were posted, by Jonnin, then while purchsing my tax stamps I had a long conversation with fish and game about it, this is what I was told.

 

The laws on who you can sell to are the same as with guns. Just as Jonnin posted, but there is no Licensing requirement except for manufacturing or RE manufacturing ammo.

 

If you sell a box of ammo, it has to have a tax stamp on it.

 

If you sell a BAGGIE with ammo in it, it has to have a tax stamp on it.

 

If you buy in bulk, you can separate it and sell it, but each container, and it can be any type of container, must have a tax stamp on it.

 

If you sell a single round, by law, that single round has to have a tax stamp on it.

 

Those people selling at Flea markets, they have licences, Flea Market licenses, under TN state law, to sell at one of the big Flea Markets, you have to have a license, and you get those licenses directly from the Flea market, daily, weekly, monthly, and annually. 

 

I paid my taxes, spoke with the proper authorities months ago, read the laws, and have sold nothing at any markup to anyone. I wonder, how many of the show sellers, have paid THEIR taxes on resale of NEW ammo separately or in bulk?

 

But considering a "Markup" of 50 cents which is clearly stated above to cover gas (Which wouldnt by the way) would make me a bad guy, which I also believe anyone here who has made any kind of transaction with me, and there has been plenty of people, could not legitimately claim (That I ripped them off), disregard the OP, Ill just buy it for personal use. 

 

The market is not correcting itself, we have been hearing that for 3 months. On nearly all other ammo, there is plenty of it. I am not an acquisition officer, but I have worked in the supply chain and have spent tens of millions on other products on annual purchases for companies I worked for, When there is a shortage in one area from one company, you find another company to fill the requirement. You cannot do that on .22 ammo. you cannot tell me Winchester, Remington, Aguila, Blazer, CCI and all the rest have just stopped manufacturing .22 ammo in numbers. In fact they claim exactly the opposite. In fact they have increased production, so why cant people find it? I know why they cannot find it. Actually they can, all they want, at 4 times what the cost to the seller was at retail. .22 is plentiful, if you can "get there early to get most all of it". The market is being forced. For anyone who has been to business school, and knows what a "Naturally Correcting Market" is, they are well aware that this is not it.

 

Since it has been pointed out, I would suggest to any members of the ATF watching, take a cell phone bar code scanner, then next time someone is spotted selling a bucket of 22 for 4 times it's original cost, scan the bar code, see where it was purchased and see if THAT PERSON has bought their tax stamps from Fish and Game. 

[DaveTN]

The market is correcting itself. Yes, you have been hearing that for 3 months and you may hear it for 3 more months. .22 ammo is available. It may not be as easy and walking into your Wal-Mart and picking it off the shelf anytime you like; but it will be. (Until the next bunch of drama)

Please don't take offense, I’m not saying you are ripping anyone off. I’m saying that many of us have vowed not to buy ammo at a markup from any resellers. When the resellers don’t have a market; the problem will correct itself. It also isn’t just the resellers; many people are simply picking up .22 for their own use when they see it on the shelves. Nothing wrong with that, but eventually it will level off.

[Guest TankerHC]

The market is correcting itself. Yes, you have been hearing that for 3 months and you may hear it for 3 more months. .22 ammo is available. It may not be as easy and walking into your Wal-Mart and picking it off the shelf anytime you like; but it will be. (Until the next bunch of drama)

Please don't take offense, I’m not saying you are ripping anyone off. I’m saying that many of us have vowed not to buy ammo at a markup from any resellers. When the resellers don’t have a market; the problem will correct itself. It also isn’t just the resellers; many people are simply picking up .22 for their own use when they see it on the shelves. Nothing wrong with that, but eventually it will level off.

 

Im not offended. Just slightly irritated. What irritated me was someone attempting to sell me .22 ammo at the same place they bought the .22 ammo from at a price higher than they paid for it at that same place. And that was actually the second time that has happened. I know people here mentioned they would like to or were going to start snapping pictures of the people, I even considered when going back to wear my video glasses in the event someone did that again. But I will not be taking pictures of people or videos of people, I wouldnt want people doing that to me and I wont do it to other people. 

 

Not like it's life changing or something, but a week after Christmas, lots of kids got .22's, a 22 without ammo to a kid is a worthless stick. I am not rich or I would GIVE all of my ammo away. I see plenty of people asking for 22 to take their kid shooting, I'm on about 20 gun Forums, I see it. That might make me a sap since I dont even know these people, think Ill just ignore it from now on.