Just asked for my permit....by a civilian

[DaveTN]

So if he shows a badge, and makes a "law comment or judgement" about what he sees, would he not be representing himself as a LEO?

It generally requires intent. There is no law that a HCP holder couldn’t ask to see if your weapon was unloaded, or if it is illegal (stupidity is not illegal). It would be illegal if that person did something to make you think they are a Police Officer and you are compelled to comply. Seeing a badge and assuming they are a cop is not enough. If you ask them if they are a Police Officer and they say yes; that’s a crime (if they aren’t).

[monkeylizard]

Badges are for sissies. I always wear my sash.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2013 by monkeylizard

[DaveTN]

Badges are for sissies. I always wear my sash.

I could not keep from laughing out loud if I ever saw that. Edited December 30, 2013 by DaveTN

[Dolomite_supafly]

It generally requires intent. There is no law that a HCP holder couldn’t ask to see if your weapon was unloaded, or if it is illegal (stupidity is not illegal). It would be illegal if that person did something to make you think they are a Police Officer and you are compelled to comply. Seeing a badge and assuming they are a cop is not enough. If you ask them if they are a Police Officer and they say yes; that’s a crime (if they aren’t).

+1

 

I ask people all the time what they are doing on my road and if it sounds sketchy I ask if they have an ID. There is no law that says I cannot ask but I cannot force them to produce an ID. They can tell me to F'off too but the whole point of me asking is so they know someone is aware of their presence.

[Raoul]

+1

 

I ask people all the time what they are doing on my road and if it sounds sketchy I ask if they have an ID. There is no law that says I cannot ask but I cannot force them to produce an ID. They can tell me to F'off too but the whole point of me asking is so they know someone is aware of their presence.

 

 

Yeah I'm that guy too.

[Spiffy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

You sir were a Viking in a past life!

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Badges are for sissies. I always wear my sash.

He is wearing it wrong anyway. It should go the other way so it doesn't obstruct a draw.

Not only that, but it says concealed carry, when plainly the fella is open carrying.

[TrickyNicky]

Ok I think the CCW sash just replaced Mora knives as my "oh hell I don't know what else to buy" all purpose "gift" for TGO secret Santa.

[whitewolf001]

Badges are for sissies. I always wear my sash.

 

 

 

:stunned:  :squint:  :rofl:

[monkeylizard]

He is wearing it wrong anyway. It should go the other way so it doesn't obstruct a draw.

Not only that, but it says concealed carry, when plainly the fella is open carrying.

 

No, the sash conceals the firearm. This way it works whether you're wearing a shirt or not.

[monkeylizard]

Ok I think the CCW sash just replaced Mora knives as my "oh hell I don't know what else to buy" all purpose "gift" for TGO secret Santa.

 

It can be yours for just $34.99.

http://www.policestore.com/duty-gear-apparel/safety-warning-equipment/identification-banners/brownells-le-qd-360-id-identification-banners-prod42039.aspx

Edited December 31, 2013 by monkeylizard

[Guest Lowbuster]

Badges are for sissies. I always wear my sash.

Styling and profiling

Don't hate the playa

[JPS]

It can be yours for just $34.99.

http://www.policestore.com/duty-gear-apparel/safety-warning-equipment/identification-banners/brownells-le-qd-360-id-identification-banners-prod42039.aspx

 

I thought that was just a great photoshop... 

Why would someone really have one of those?  Planning to quickly put it on if involved in a firefight?

[monkeylizard]

Oh no. I wear mine all the time. The sight of it strikes fear into the cowardly hearts of criminals.

[Dennis1209]

By the authority vested in me and my HCP?

[monkeylizard]

ooooh a vest! That's a great idea!

[TrickyNicky]

By the authority vested in me and my HCP?

HCP vests?!?!1!! Good thinking!

[tnguy]

Oh, it just occurs to me... With respect to the title of this thread, cops are civilians too.

[DaveTN]

Oh, it just occurs to me... With respect to the title of this thread, cops are civilians too.

Not really.
 

From Wikipedia:
A civilian under international humanitarian law (also known as the laws of war) is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia. Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. In U.S. parlance, a civilian is also considered one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force.

 
 

From Merriam Webster:
ci•vil•ian
noun \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
: a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force
Full Definition of CIVILIAN
1
: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
2
a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force

[Spots]

[quote name="tnguy" post="1087550" timestamp="1388604907"]Oh, it just occurs to me... With respect to the title of this thread, cops are civilians too.[/quote] Well, they are civil servants. They are civilians in the military sense to a point, but even overseas we had 3 groups. U.S military, foreign military and police, and civilians. I don't view them as civilians because right or wrong, they have different rules that govern their conduct and what they are allowed to do. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

[R_Bert]

and do not cops/LEO formally swear in to their duties?  (maybe not....just wondering)

[Cherokee Slim]

and do not cops/LEO formally swear in to their duties?  (maybe not....just wondering)

 I did. All LEOs and military take an oath of office. On loan once as a Trooper I even had to take another one for the Marshal Service.  CS

[tnguy]

Not really.
 
 
 

 

 

OK, I concede. Should remember not to believe everything I read.

Edited January 1, 2014 by tnguy

[Clod Stomper]

and do not cops/LEO formally swear in to their duties?  (maybe not....just wondering)

 

They do, but I don't think that's the factor.  Civilian federal employees do too.  At least I did.  Each time I got a new position.

[SALK]

I have never been a fan of that little badge. I think they are just a very bad idea.