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Judge orders baker to serve gay couples despite his religious beliefs

ironsniper1

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Chucktshoes
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:lol: Alright you two. Knock it off. Back to topic, as someone who has faced real discrimination based on sexual orientation by being discharged under DADT (long story)I wouldn't call what took plac

UncleJak
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I could solve this easily. Go buy a cake somewhere else. Why would anyone want to do business with someone who doesn't want their business is beyond me. Sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

Chucktshoes
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This. This. A thousand times this. I don't support the baker's refusal of service. What I do support is his right to make that refusal.

UncleJak Prolific Contributor

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I could solve this easily. Go buy a cake somewhere else. Why would anyone want to do business with someone who doesn't want their business is beyond me.

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56FordGuy Prolific Contributor

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Why would anyone want to do business with someone who doesn't want their business is beyond me.

 

That seems to be completely lost on some folks.

jacob Prolific Contributor

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I find it exceedingly "funny" that the tolerant people aren't as tolerant as they profess to be...when did a freaking cake become a court case? seriously?

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npgunner Prolific Contributor

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Take the order, make a really awful tasting cake. 

Or tell them you can't make the cake because you're too busy. 

I get that the tolerance issue in America is well beyond out-of-control, but why would you invite such a scenario on yourself by telling them you won't serve because they are gay.  There's been enough of this crap in the news lately to know how it will play out. 

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 Why would anyone want to do business with someone who doesn't want their business is beyond me.

Sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

 

it was not about doing business with someone who doesn't want to serve them. its about pushing the gay agenda. gays intend to force their choices on the rest of us no matter what

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jacob Prolific Contributor

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I would agree that maybe the baker wasn't the sharpest tool for stating the reason for not serving them, but on the other hand it is pretty apparent that  the only reason the gay couple took this to court was to be vindictive....instead of being a big boy and taking his business elsewhere like any reasonable adult would do...the judge was out of his mind to even rule in favor of the gay couple, they should have been told to grow up and get a life...

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Chucktshoes Postus Maximus

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it was not about doing business with someone who doesn't want to serve them. its about pushing the gay agenda. gays intend to force their choices on the rest of us no matter what

I'd say that is a pretty broad brush you are painting with. Not all gay folks are driven by pushing an agenda just like not all blacks are saggy pantsed thugs and not all gun owners are inbred rednecks. There are actually some gay folks out there who don't have an agenda, they just want to be left alone to live their lives. Hell, I guarantee there are some gay folks that agree with you that this case was stupid and the couple should have just gone somewhere else and that the baker had the right to choose not to participate.

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Luke E. Prolific Contributor

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it was not about doing business with someone who doesn't want to serve them. its about pushing the gay agenda. gays intend to force their choices on the rest of us no matter what

 

 You have hit the nail on the head! It has no more to do with a cake as it has to do with a damn horseshoe. They want to push the rest of us into joining them or bowing to them and I for one will do neither. I don't hate or even dislike anyone because they are gay but you better believe I have a strong dislike for anyone, gay or otherwise that tries to shove some BS agenda down my throat.

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Luke E. Prolific Contributor

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I'd say that is a pretty broad brush you are painting with. Not all gay folks are driven by pushing an agenda just like not all blacks are saggy pantsed thugs and not all gun owners are inbred rednecks. There are actually some gay folks out there who don't have an agenda, they just want to be left alone to live their lives. Hell, I guarantee there are some gay folks that agree with you that this case was stupid and the couple should have just gone somewhere else and that the baker had the right to choose not to participate.

 You are right, I know a "couple" and they are quite pleasant to be around. BUT those are the folks that will do as UncleJak stated above, go somewhere else that wants the business. I have yet to hear of any lawsuits being filed like this that were from this Live and let Live type of "couple".

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I highly doubt the ruling sticks.

 

Why wouldn't it? Sexual orientation is a federally protected status against discrimination, same as race, eh?

 

Even worse if you punch a gay guy, then it's hate crime status.

 

- OS

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Chucktshoes Postus Maximus

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 You are right, I know a "couple" and they are quite pleasant to be around. BUT those are the folks that will do as UncleJak stated above, go somewhere else that wants the business. I have yet to hear of any lawsuits being filed like this that were from this Live and let Live type of "couple".

I don't disagree with anything you've written here. I only took issue with the phrasing that was overly broad in its indictments. The only reason I chose to point that out is that all too often we paint with these broad brushes and develop preconceptions that would prevent us from finding common ground. Not all gay folks are prancing around in thongs on main street demanding that every church gives them a wedding that would be just faaaabulous! That's all I'm saying.

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otnman Established Contributor

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Why wouldn't it? Sexual orientation is a federally protected status against discrimination, same as race, eh?

- OS

So is the right to bear arms (2A)...so what would be our chances be in a lawsuit be if demanded to carry in a posted business if they had anti gun beleifs? Why are these NEVER a 2 way street?
Oh Shoot Postus Maximus

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So is the right to bear arms (2A)...so what would be our chances be in a lawsuit be if demanded to carry in a posted business if they had anti gun beleifs? Why are these NEVER a 2 way street?

 

Firearm owners are not a protected class, like sex, race, age, disability, color, creed, national origin, religion, or sexual orientation.

 

We only have that ole musty US Constitution thang, something about "will not be infringed" -- which along with a couple bucks will get you a beer.

 

- OS

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jacob Prolific Contributor

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Why wouldn't it? Sexual orientation is a federally protected status against discrimination, same as race, eh?

Even worse if you punch a gay guy, then it's hate crime status.

- OS


I would hardly call refusing to bake a cake discrimination in the conventional sense of the word...seems a bit of a stretch IMHO...
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otnman Established Contributor

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Firearm owners are not a protected class, like sex, race, age, disability, color, creed, national origin, religion, or sexual orientation.

We only have that ole musty US Constitution thang, something about "will not be infringed" -- which along with a couple bucks will get you a beer.

- OS

Yeah, kind of a sad state of affairs...

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Oh Shoot Postus Maximus

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I would hardly call refusing to bake a cake discrimination in the conventional sense of the word...seems a bit of a stretch IMHO...

 

Precisely how is refusing to bake them a cake different than refusing to serve them dinner on the basis of discrimination? That I assume will be the legal issue.

 

The vendor's religious beliefs seem to have already failed as a justifiable reason as decided as per the ACA, for example (Catholic institutions and Hobby Lobby having to offer birth control, etc).

 

- OS

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otnman Established Contributor

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Precisely how is refusing to bake them a cake different than refusing to serve them dinner on the basis of discrimination? That I assume will be the legal issue.

The vendor's religious beliefs seem to have already failed as a justifiable reason as decided as per the ACA, for example.

- OS

So I can sue if I don't want to wear a shirt or shoes and don't get served now?

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Oh Shoot Postus Maximus

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So I can sue if I don't want to wear a shirt or shoes and don't get served now?

 

Shoeless shirtless people are not a protected class.

 

You can refuse to serve gay shirtless and shoeless people AFAIK. At least as per federal law. In some places you have to serve nude ones as per local law!

 

Is this a great country, or what? ;)

 

- OS

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