The thread in which an Army Lt. Col pisses us all off.

[Chucktshoes]

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bateman-on-guns-120313

IT'S TIME TO TALK ABOUT GUNS AND THE SUPREME COURT
By Lt. Col. Robert Bateman on December 3, 20135821 42 0 3

In his opinion on District of Columbia v. Heller, Justice Antonin Scalia spent nearly 4,000 words denying that the Second Amendment included the words, "A Well Regulated Militia, Being Necessary To The Security Of A Free State..."
We crossed the line some time ago, it has just taken me a while to get around to the topic. Sadly, that topic is now so brutally evident that I feel shame. Shame that I have not spoken out about before now -- shame for my country, shame that we have come to this point. One story tripped me.

A woman charged with killing a fellow Alabama fan after the end of last weekend's Iron Bowl football game was angry that the victim and others didn't seem upset over the Crimson Tide's loss to arch-rival Auburn, said the sister of the slain woman.
People, it is time to talk about guns.

My entire adult life has been dedicated to the deliberate management of violence. There are no two ways around that fact. My job, at the end of the day, is about killing. I orchestrate violence.

I am not proud of that fact. Indeed, I am often torn-up by the realization that not only is this my job, but that I am really good at my job. But my profession is about directed violence on behalf of the nation. What is happening inside our country is random and disgusting, and living here in England I am at a complete loss as to how to explain this at all. In 2011 the number of gun deaths in the United States was 10.3 per 100,000 citizens. In 2010 that statistic in the UK was 0.25. And do not even try to tell me that the British are not as inclined to violence or that their culture is so different from ours that this difference makes sense. I can say nothing when my British officers ask me about these things, because it is the law.

And for that, frankly speaking, I am embarrassed by our Supreme Court.

The people who sit on a nation's Supreme Court as supposed to be the wisest among us. They are supposed to be the men and women who understand and speak plainly about the most difficult topics confronting our nation. Our Supreme Court, however, has been failing us, as their actions have been almost the exact opposite of this ideal.

You do not have to read this full Supreme Court ruling, it is a supplemental. I can spell it out for you in ten seconds.

Five of the nine members of the Supreme Court agreed that the part in the Second Amendment which talks about "A Well Regulated Militia, Being Necessary To The Security Of A Free State..." did not matter. In other words, they flunked basic high school history.

The lengths to which Justice Scalia had to go in his attempt to rewrite American history and the English language are as stunning as they are egregious. In essence, what he said about the words written by the Founding Fathers was, "Yeah, they didn't really mean what they said."

You have got to be fking kidding me. Seriously? You spent nearly 4,000 words to deny the historical reality of thirteen words? That, sir, is an embarrassingly damning indictment not just of you, but of an educational system that failed to teach history.

But just so we are all clear on this, let me spell it out for the rest of you. During the American Civil War, a topic about which I know a little bit, we had a system of state militias. They formed the basis of the army that saved the United States. For most of the first year, and well into the second, many of the units raised by the states were created entirely or in part from militia units that predated the war. But even when partially "regulated," militias are sloppy things. They do not always work well outside their own home states, and in our own history and in our Revolutionary War, it was not uncommon for militia units to refuse to go out of their own state. In the Spanish-American war the way around this limitation was for "interested volunteers" to resign, en masse, from their militia units and then sign up -- again en masse -- as a "volunteer" unit. It was a cumbersome solution to a 123-year-old problem.

Which is why, in 1903 Congress passed the Militia Act. Friends, if you have not read it I'll just tell you: As of 1903, the "militia" has been known as the National Guard.

They are "well regulated," and when called to do so as they have been these past twelve years, they can fight like demons. I am proud of them. And I am ashamed that Justice Scalia thinks that they do not exist.

Guns are tools. I use these tools in my job. But like all tools one must be trained and educated in their use. Weapons are there for the "well regulated militia." Their use, therefore, must be in defense of the nation. Shooting and killing somebody because they were not "upset enough" over the loss of a college football team should not be possible in our great nation. Which is why I am adding the following "Gun Plank" to the Bateman-Pierce platform. Here are some suggestions:

1. The only guns permitted will be the following:

a. Smoothbore or Rifled muzzle-loading blackpowder muskets. No 7-11 in history has ever been held up with one of these.
b. Double-barrel breech-loading shotguns. Hunting with these is valid.
c. Bolt-action rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than five rounds. Like I said, hunting is valid. But if you cannot bring down a defenseless deer in under five rounds, then you have no fking reason to be holding a killing tool in the first place.
2. We will pry your gun from your cold, dead, fingers. That is because I am willing to wait until you die, hopefully of natural causes. Guns, except for the three approved categories, cannot be inherited. When you die your weapons must be turned into the local police department, which will then destroy them. (Weapons of historical significance will be de-milled, but may be preserved.)

3. Police departments are no longer allowed to sell or auction weapons used in crimes after the cases have been closed. (That will piss off some cops, since they really need this money. But you know what they need more? Less violence and death. By continuing the process of weapon recirculation, they are only making their jobs -- or the jobs of some other cops -- harder.)

4. We will submit a new tax on ammunition. In the first two years it will be 400 percent of the current retail cost of that type of ammunition. (Exemptions for the ammo used by the approved weapons.) Thereafter it will increase by 20 percent per year.

5. We will initiate a nationwide "buy-back" program, effective immediately, with the payouts coming from the DoD budget. This buy-back program will start purchasing weapons at 200 percent of their face value the first year, 150 percent the second year, 100 percent the third year. Thereafter there will be a 10 year pause, at which point the guns can be sold to the government at 10 percent of their value for the next 50 years.

6. The major gun manufactures of the United States, less those who create weapons for the federal government and the armed forces, will be bought out by the United States of America, for our own damned good.

These opinions are those of the author and do not reflect the United States government, the United States Department of Defense, the United States Army, or any other official body. As for the NRA, they can sit on it. (Sorry, I grew up with Happy Days. "Sit on it" means something to those of my generation.) R_Bateman_LTC@hotmail.com.



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Edited December 5, 2013 by Chucktshoes

[GuitaRx]

F*&K this guy..

[TMF]

What was his branch? He is full of feces, especially with his "I kill people" garbage. Likely a staff weenie making coffee at the pentagon for the grown ups.

[GuitaRx]

He's an idiot.. with a superiority complex..

[thundersnow]

It would seem that this guy has the same "I am qualified and everyone else isn't" attitude that has plagued any kind of meaningful discussion of gun rights and culture recently

[enfield]

Just proves you don't have to be very smart to be an officer, but I already knew that.  Applies to Sergeants also.  :D

[Guest Razz]

Another asshat who brings up gun-violence stats between US and UK but ignores "all violence" stats. I wonder why they do that.../s

[mikegideon]

One of the guys that Obama didn't fire. Good little liberal douchebag.

[RichardR]

That fellow has an intersting way of thinking, ie: "we can reduce gun violence by sparking an insurrection".

Wow, just wow.

[173rdABN]

This dude needs to play in on coming traffic

[Slpeod]

He's just wanting to validate himself through the liberal rag "Esquire".  Looks like he's been a Military Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and is an Infantry Officer.  I bet he's always been a puss - to much mouth not enough real balls, hence the lame posting for international studies as an Infantry Officer which was 10 years ago.  He was probably the O5 at Benning for the pre BN CMD orientation who stood there with his dick in his hand wondering what the F was going on and how he could "manage"  all the little pieces... notice I didn't say lead. 

 

His numbers once again regarding the UK were quite twisted as he failed to compare the total per capita actual homicide rate of both nations (US 4.5% UK 8.5%) during the same time frame. Murder is murder no matter what the weapon - lets ban knives in the US because damn that's what everyone in the UK is being killed with.  If you want to delve into how record keeping of deaths in the UK is jacked up just peruse this blog: http://rboatright.blogspot.com/2013/03/comparing-england-or-uk-murder-rates.html

 

Obesity kills more people in the US than guns i.e., 2010 guns killed 31,328¹ while the US Surgeon General says 300,000² a year die from obesity related deaths.  Not to mention obesity annually costs the US health care system $147 million³ while $4.5 billion is being spent on gun control measures; aren't our priorities just a little lop sided. So by all means lets ban the big gulp... hmm oh wait Bloomberg is already trying that.  Also doesn't LTC Bateman look rather chunky and red faced (he's on the right below), could be his BMI is high and he's considered obese - just further burdening the US health care system.

 

 

1. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/FIREARM_DEATHS_AND_DEATH_RATES.pdf

2. http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/calls/obesity/fact_consequences.html

3. http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/causes/index.html

 

 

What a F' stick.

[TNinfidel]

For quite some time now, they have been stacking the armed forces leadership positions with dedicated progressives.  Col. Bateman is a traitor as are probably most of the presently serving generals and upper leadership.  These people would have no problem firing on Americans and that, I'm afraid, is exactly what Obama and the rest of the statist henchmen are counting on.

Edited December 5, 2013 by TNinfidel

[MacGyver]

He seems to enjoy posting links to his stuff on reddit:

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/1jsxf5/how_i_write_by_lt_col_robert_bateman/

 

 

And yet he seems to think school violence is funny:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1s3z2p/so_like_an_idiot_i_bought_throwing_knives_before/cdtnzw5

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1rqzqz/how_can_i_become_famous/cdpyn3o

 

But I can have guns, right?

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1rqna0/what_do_you_want_for_christmas/cdpux55

[Mike.357]

if he is the guy on the right I noticed he does not have an ICB   But he knows about gunplay.

 

I have infinite respect for that badge. How did he become a light colonel without it?
 

[Chucktshoes]

if he is the guy on the right I noticed he does not have an ICB   But he knows about gunplay.

 

I have infinite respect for that badge. How did he become a light colonel without it?

Apparently there are enough of them that it is somewhat of a meme in the Doctrine Man cartoons.

 

I think it is just another piece of evidence that this quisling bastard is a tool that nobody in their right mind should pay attention to. The only thing I want to ask him is "How many citizens are you willing to see murdered by the government to achieve your goals? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? How many?"

Edited December 5, 2013 by Chucktshoes

[TMF]

if he is the guy on the right I noticed he does not have an ICB   But he knows about gunplay.
 
I have infinite respect for that badge. How did he become a light colonel without it?

I assume you're talking about a CIB. He can't get it because he isn't infantry. He's a killer alright. Like I said, he makes coffee for the grow ups. The only "combat" he's seen is probably watching Platoon at the FOB movie night on whatever POG-choked base he was on.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I was probably in the Army 1/3 of the time he has and I have more ribbons he does. Says a lot, especially when most officer requests go through a lot easier than the same for enlisted.

 

If he wants to direct some violence I say go ahead but I can guarantee he will receive it ten fold. He talks about being good at what he does, orchestrating violence, but I seriously doubt he has ever personally directed any violence on behalf of anyone. Or more importantly I can assure you he has never had to deal with the effects of violence directed at him.

 

Here is his bio:

 

Lieutenant Colonel, Robert J. Bateman is the President of Alliance Defense Marketing Associates LLC and a key strategic associate of Capital Link World Corp.

Lieutenant Colonel Bateman provides key and vital access, strategies, services, expertise and winning solutions throughout law enforcement and the military both in the U.S.A and Globally for all Capital Link World Corp clients.

Bio:

• Lieutenant Colonel, Robert J. Bateman, NYG, Chairman, National Defense Committee, New York State Advisory Board
• Villanova University, BS Business Administration
• USDA Graduate School for Government Executives
• 15 years Federal Service with the United States Department of the Treasury
• 9 Years Front Line Law Enforcement Officer, Hampton, New Hampshire Police Department
• Founder and President, Alliance Defense Marketing Associates, LLC
• Deputy Commander, 88th Brigade, NYG, Headquarters, New York City
• U.S. Army War College National Security Symposium (1999)
• Chairman of the Board, Military Association of New York (The Officers Association of the Combined Military Forces of New York State), 2008 - 2010
• Past Commander-in-Chief, The Military Order of the Loyal Legion of the United States
• Past National Historian, Ancient Order of Hibernians in America
• Member, Reserve Officers Association, National Guard Association of the United States, New York Guard Association, Association of the United States Army, Rockingham County and Hampton, N.H. Police Associations, New Hampshire Police Emerald Society Member, Army and Navy Club, Washington, D.C.

Professional Affiliations

• National Military Intelligence Association
• American Society for Industrial Security
• International Association for Counterterrorism and security Professionals
• Armed Forces Communication and Intelligence Association

Government Clearances: DOD Secret

He is like a lot of blowhards out there. He spent all kinds of time going to schools without any real world experience.

 

BTW, he is a citizen of Ireland as well as the US. Apparently he has done a lot of their national pastime, drinking.

 

And the professional company he keeps makes me wonder about his allegiances as well.

http://www.capitallinkworldcorp.com/key-associates.php

 

And here is his contact info in case anyone needed it :yuck:

 

[TMF]

So it looks like he was a reservist his whole career? This guy doesn't have the creds to know what he thinks he knows. I cant believe esquire even used him for a story. They might as well centered a story around a PFC from any random active duty unit and the opinions would be just as relevant.

[chances R]

Looks like the LC has greatly overestimated his relative worth and importance.  May he continue feeding his BS to Piers Morgan and the like and remain on foreign soil the rest of his days.

[jgradyc]

And yet he makes a living marketing to the DOD. This guy is a real piece of work. I have better military credentials than this guy... my WIFE has better military credentials than LtCol Bateman.

Edited December 5, 2013 by jgradyc

[JAB]

Some people need to be tied, spread eagle, to a wall and repeatedly kicked in the 'nads until they puke.

 

Personally, I don't give a good GD if this guy is head of the joint chiefs - the intention that the 2nd Amendment means an individual right is clear to anyone not trying to play a disingenuous game of semantics and I'll take the Founders' wisdom over that of some flunky in uniform any day of the week.

[Defender]

Sad to say that this is the type of officer that may well thrive in the post war military that reflects current leadership thought processes.  Light Colonels, although relatively low in the officer food chain, are senior enough that they are often used as a means to promulgate new ideas and trends.  they are senior enough that many pay attention to them, yet junior enough that they can easily be thrown under the bus if necessary.  Also they can do the dirty work for an administration.  I seem to remember another light Colonel, years ago....hmmmm Ollie seems to be his name, lol.  Not to say that Ollie has anything in common with this guy other than sharing a rank.

Edited December 5, 2013 by barewoolf

[JAB]

From the article:

 

Five of the nine members of the Supreme Court agreed that the part in the Second Amendment which talks about "A Well Regulated Militia, Being Necessary To The Security Of A Free State..." did not matter. In other words, they flunked basic high school history.

 

Says the dumbass who has obviously not studied enough of history to know what a 'well regulated militia' meant and means - including reading Madison's "The Federalist #46" in which is is made clear that 'militia' refers not only to every able-bodied citizen but that a 'militia' is NOT a standing military and, in fact, is the best way to keep a standing military (and a tyrannical Federal government) in check.  Further, Madison referred to the ability of each and every individual citizen to own arms as an advantage Americans have over most, other nations and links that ability with the very ability to form a militia in the first place.  I guess this jaggoff knows more about the intent of the 2nd Amendment than Madison did, as well (you know, James Madison- the guy who can be attributed with successfully campaigning for a Bill of Rights to be included in the Constitution and who came up with many of the concepts that inspired the points contained therein.)  Honestly, I'd say that his real problem with the Second Amendment is that it basically reinforces that we, the People - not the military, not its officers and not his bosses in the FedGov - are in charge and that we have the innate right to use force of arms, if necessary, to keep it that way.  Just another government lapdog hiding behind pretenses of concern for the safety of the public to advance an agenda bent on destroying liberty in the name of government control.  To hell with him and his ilk.

 

To be truthful, the real failing of the Supreme Court in that ruling is that it ruled that the government could still pass laws regulating some firearms, etc. - thereby allowing the government to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms, which is specifically forbidden in the Second Amendment.

Edited December 5, 2013 by JAB

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Plus his misunderstanding of the first part of the 2nd Amendment being only a part of it. He doesn't understand that the second part

can be viewed with and without it, at the same time, the way the sentence structure uses it. Like everyone else, I think he is a buffoon.

 

Plus, that uniform. Somehow or another, it doesn't look much like it belongs on him. Really doesn't look like it fits, does it? Something just

isn't right about that guy.

[79troublehead]

He's a REMF.