New AR trigger

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I didn't bring it up. The ones concerned about something getting reversed usually do.

 

Besides, I'm pointing out what innovation brings out. Man's mind is worth more than worrying over someone trying

to thwart it. I'm sorry if you disagree or misunderstand. If it wasn't for some man's mind we wouldn't have had the Model T.

 

You didn't answer my question.

Edited December 19, 2013 by 6.8 AR

[Tedro2022]

[quote name="Dolomite_supafly" post="1081260" timestamp="1387473282"]The bolt coming back forces the trigger forward through the use of a lever. The fulcrum of the trigger being forced forward is the trigger pin. I can see the trigger pin hole in the lower become egg shaped over time with use. Maybe not immediate but eventually.[/quote] Gotcha. I assumed that it would be over time that it would wear down. Couldn't see something breaking instantly, but again I'm not fully in knowledgable in AR's and the exact inner workings. I have built two and working on the third, but put together 5 lowers and all the parts kits have been of the same quality and in the $50 to $75 price range. As much as I shoot, it'd be cool to have one, but over the life of the AR I can't see it doing extensive damage. Thanks for the feedback Dolomite. You are truly a gentleman and a scholar! Sent from my iPhone using [URL=http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1]Tapatalk[/URL]

[Dolomite_supafly]

Some people shoot a lot. For the average shooter it probably is not an issue but I know people who try to attend a class a month where they shoot 1k+ a day. In those cases I can see it eventually causing wear issues. It all depends on how hard you hold your trigger too. Personally I can see a lot of people getting tired of the trigger slap. I know I did with a semi auto MAC11 I owned for less than 24 hours.

 

Any time there is a pivot point with pressure on it there will be wear unless something is done to mitigate it. I have seen some FA lowers that had steel inserts installed in the hammer and trigger pin locations to prevent them from becoming egg shaped over time, especially 9mm lowers as they put a lot of strain on the trigger pins unless you run a ramped bolt.

[Guest Bolt_Overide]

The videos I saw left me unimpressed. I know a lot of people who can run it semi that fast and a whole lot more accurately. 

 

Just not worth 500 clams IMO.

[JohnC]

The videos I saw left me unimpressed. I know a lot of people who can run it semi that fast and a whole lot more accurately. 

 

Just not worth 500 clams IMO.

 

So you're saying "a lot of people" you know can fire semi auto trigger that fast. Well, did you ever consider how much faster they could be with that finger on a trigger like this that takes less effort to fire fast? :up:

 

Common sense says since this isn't a FA trigger, everyone's speed will vary. Just like you know folks who can fire regular semi-auto triggers "that fast" most of us can't do that. And hey, this is still a "semi-auto" trigger; it just has a shorter pull and a positive reset. So this trigger system will give the slower folks a leg-up to being able to fire faster. :)

[Guest theconstitutionrocks]

Would much rather have a suppressed semi-auto capability

[crashgordan]

So.....
Who's got one and what do you think?

[JohnC]

It's ordered, but I'm way down the list at the 2,046 mark. I don't expect to see it until mid Feb probably. Edited January 16, 2014 by JohnC

[Dolomite_supafly]

People do have them in their hands now.

[Johnny Rotten]

We'll know by the weekend

[TripleDigitRide]

I've read three or four blogs by guys who've had the opportunity to try them. All said they were allowed a limited number of rounds (40-80), but did say it wasn't as easy as they make it look in the video. All said it will take most users a bit of practice. Edited January 15, 2014 by TripleDigitRide

[JohnC]

We'll know by the weekend

You get one or know someone who has one?

[JohnC]

Review:

It does take a little practice to master, however I was able to pick up a sample rifle and immediately knock out very quick 2 and 3 round bursts. If I had to guess the cyclic rate, I would way it was in the neighborhood of 500-600 rounds per minute (M60 speed). You can go faster or slower depending on your level of experience. As a bonus, when the 3MR is set to the standard single shot mode it’s a very clean, almost match grade, trigger with a 4.5lbs crisp break. I found the 3MR to be easier to master than a bump-fire stock when simulating fully automatic fire. Not only did I find it a little easier to master, but I also really like the seamless integration of the system into your rifle. - See more at: http://www.thebangswitch.com/tac-con-3mr-trigger/#sthash.oEHQxo46.dpuf

http://www.thebangswitch.com/tac-con-3mr-trigger/ Edited January 15, 2014 by JohnC

[JohnC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omBLIDuzLB4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dlnqCAO-A&list=UUXxscN2ixnb6uA3v8u_FKmA&feature=player_embedded Edited January 15, 2014 by JohnC

[JohnC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1R600R4BSE

[tnguy]

So this is legal because the rule is one shot for every pull of the trigger if I understand correctly?

 

So if one had a glove which pulled your finger forward after every shot...? Or maybe a cam next to the trigger?

Edited January 15, 2014 by tnguy

[DangerDanJD]

My invoice number is in the 800's. CC hasn't been charged yet. 

[Dolomite_supafly]

So this is legal because the rule is one shot for every pull of the trigger if I understand correctly?

 

So if one had a glove which pulled your finger forward after every shot...? Or maybe a cam next to the trigger?

I better way would be to figure out a way to apply pressure while still having some give. A heavy rubber band or a glove with a small balloon on the trigger finger would work. Both would allow enough give to allow the trigger to reset while still applying enough pressure to pull the trigger.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I have watched every video I have seen on this trigger and I am not too impressed. I think it is more about being able to flip the selector another 90 degrees than it is shooting fast. I have seen tons of 3 gun guys who can shoot faster than anyone I have seen shoot using this trigger.

 

 

Btw, it is perfectly legal to install a FA safety in your gun to get that extra 90 degrees so long as your gun doesn't actually shoot full auto.

[tnguy]

Well, the issue is that if you are applying 3lb to the trigger, you need something that will apply more than that in the other direction to reset the trigger and then stop applying that pressure long enough for the trigger to be pulled again. That is basically what this trigger does but it does it inside of the receiver. I'd guess that since it's activated by the action itself in some way, that's why it's a bit sensitive. It doesn't want to be too much higher than the trigger pull weight so if you have a heavy finger, it's not going to reset properly.

 

An external mechanism would possibly not have that restriction, particularly the cam where the force itself wouldn't be as critical as it only has to move your finger the distance to reset the trigger.

 

The problem with a static force such as an elastic band or a balloon is that it doesn't have a cycling mechanism so would still rely on user input.

[tnguy]

I have watched every video I have seen on this trigger and I am not too impressed. I think it is more about being able to flip the selector another 90 degrees than it is shooting fast. I have seen tons of 3 gun guys who can shoot faster than anyone I have seen shoot using this trigger.

 

 

Btw, it is perfectly legal to install a FA safety in your gun to get that extra 90 degrees so long as your gun doesn't actually shoot full auto.

 

I guess you could make the selector switch on the flashlight/scope/laser.

 

Now, there's a thought.

Edited January 15, 2014 by tnguy

[Dolomite_supafly]

Well, the issue is that if you are applying 3lb to the trigger, you need something that will apply more than that in the other direction to reset the trigger and then stop applying that pressure long enough for the trigger to be pulled again. That is basically what this trigger does but it does it inside of the receiver. I'd guess that since it's activated by the action itself in some way, that's why it's a bit sensitive. It doesn't want to be too much higher than the trigger pull weight so if you have a heavy finger, it's not going to reset properly.

 

An external mechanism would possibly not have that restriction, particularly the cam where the force itself wouldn't be as critical as it only has to move your finger the distance to reset the trigger.

 

The problem with a static force such as an elastic band or a balloon is that it doesn't have a cycling mechanism so would still rely on user input.

The bolt coming back applies more pressure than what is needed to pull the trigger. The bolt applyign pressure is enough to overcome your finger so it would also be enough to overcome a rubber band. And once it resets the rubber band would apply enough to release the hammer.

 

The rubber band's elastic property is the cycling mechanism for it.

[tnguy]

OK. I think I must not be understanding something about how this fancy-pants trigger works. I'll have to play with my lower later and mull it over.

[Dolomite_supafly]

As the bolt comes back it hits the hammer. Then the hammer hits the "lever" at the rear of the trigger and that action overcomes the presure of you pulling the trigger. At that point the trigger moves forward, even if you are still pulling it, to a point where the hammer catches on the trigger again. All that needs to happen then is apply pressure again to fire the gun again. The catch is reapplying pressure at the exact moment the trigger catches the hammer again. A rubber band would apply pressure at the precise moment the trigger CAN release the hammer again.

[tnguy]

I think I understand where the confusion arose. You are talking about using the band/balloon with this fake-auto trigger, I am talking about doing something that has ostensibly the same function as this trigger but would still require finger pressure.

 

Amirite?