TN Parent Arrested Trying to Pick Up His Own Kids

[Lumber_Jack]

I'm stuck on imagining the chaos if big dude had whipped Deputy Donut's ass right there in the office. :)

Deputy Doughnut would have to pack a lunch for that ass whippin.

[BrasilNuts]

I'm stuck on imagining the chaos if big dude had whipped Deputy Donut's ass right there in the office. :)

As willing as that Deputy was to escalate things, I would imagine big dude would have gotten shot. Edited November 22, 2013 by BrasilNuts

[DaveTN]

 

I'm stuck on imagining the chaos if big dude had whipped Deputy Donut's ass right there in the office. :)

 I respect the guy for not going there. It would have resulted in him on trial on felony charges with a good possibility of prison time. He seemed to be in in much better control than the Deputy.

[mikegideon]

 
 I respect the guy for not going there. It would have resulted in him on trial on felony charges with a good possibility of prison time. He seemed to be in in much better control than the Deputy.

 

I know. I can still imagine, right? :)

[Guest Bonedaddy]

Y'all are too nice. Just sayin'..... :stick:

[whitewolf001]

Oh snap, this happened in my neck of the woods?!

[leroy]

Any news on this front?.... I cant find anything...

 

leroy

[Guest TankerHC]

Updated yesterday. Basically, Cumberland County Schools Director says they do not care about the negative press because the video doesnt show the whole story, that it was edited and they are ready to fight it in court.

 

However, some say the video doesn't tell the whole story. Donald Andrews, the director of Cumberland County Schools, told The Huffington Post the clip was edited to portray Howe in a more favorable light.

"In that situation, quite honestly, the officer that handled that showed quite a bit of restraint," he added.

Andrews said the school instituted the new policy as a safety precaution. He said officials were looking into working out the traffic issues.

“Previously, parents were coming out to pick up children, they were just getting out of cars and coming to school,” Andrews told HuffPost. “In this day in age, the PTO [parent teacher organization] was concerned that it was a safety issue, someone could come up and grab [any] kid.”

Andrews said the school is prepared to defend its actions in court.

“A lot of attention is being drawn because someone doesn’t want to follow rules and guidelines. I stand by the decision to [arrest Howe], we’ll get negative press but that’s OK if it's for the safety [and] well-being of our children,” he said."

 

I thought they were Mr. Howes children (Or child). 

Edited November 23, 2013 by TankerHC

[RichardR]

In socialist & communist nations, children belong to the State, not to the parents.

Another example that we've arrived.

[Guest ThePunisher]

“Previously, parents were coming out to pick up children, they were just getting out of cars and coming to school,” Andrews told HuffPost. “In this day in age, the PTO [parent teacher organization] was concerned that it was a safety issue, someone could come up and grab [any] kid.”

Some wussie liberal parents that didn't like playing dodgeball in P.E. and an example of a liberal principal who doesn't have the cojones to make common sense decisions. Wussifed and dumb downed people are now leading our nation. Where is General Patton? Edited November 24, 2013 by ThePunisher

[JayC]

There has been such a rash for terrorist pedophile kidnappers stalking secondary school children in rural TN that we had to do it for the children!

 

Something smells, a lot like bull scat here :)

 

Updated yesterday. Basically, Cumberland County Schools Director says they do not care about the negative press because the video doesnt show the whole story, that it was edited and they are ready to fight it in court.

 

However, some say the video doesn't tell the whole story. Donald Andrews, the director of Cumberland County Schools, told The Huffington Post the clip was edited to portray Howe in a more favorable light.

"In that situation, quite honestly, the officer that handled that showed quite a bit of restraint," he added.

Andrews said the school instituted the new policy as a safety precaution. He said officials were looking into working out the traffic issues.

“Previously, parents were coming out to pick up children, they were just getting out of cars and coming to school,” Andrews told HuffPost. “In this day in age, the PTO [parent teacher organization] was concerned that it was a safety issue, someone could come up and grab [any] kid.”

Andrews said the school is prepared to defend its actions in court.

“A lot of attention is being drawn because someone doesn’t want to follow rules and guidelines. I stand by the decision to [arrest Howe], we’ll get negative press but that’s OK if it's for the safety [and] well-being of our children,” he said."

 

I thought they were Mr. Howes children (Or child). 

 

[Guest Bonedaddy]

That sounds like an idiot tryin' to cover his butt with authortah. I'd like to take him fishin', too.

[Mariner]

I live three miles from this school (south elementary), and it is a traffic nightmare. They just widened the road and you can see cars are still backed up on the shoulder waiting to get in. Now if when the busses pull out and they let the parents pick up there kids,  would think that it would be more dangerous as cars are now pulling in and out around each other. Seems that when the busses are there less traffic is moving to endanger the kids. Also if they are worried about the kids wandering around in traffic by themselves they would be happy that their father is there to escort them safely out.

[Peace]

It is possible that a school is primarily concerned with their liability should a bus hit a kid.  -another parent... not so much their problem,... but being the litigious society that we are, it is possible that the school just doesn't want a hit kid on their dime - seem

[BrasilNuts]

Two observations.

1st: If Mr. Howe did something before the video started why wasn't he arrested earlier? Because he sure didn't do anything during the video deserving of arrest.

B: It's mid November. If they haven't gotten the traffic problem worked out by now then they're not going to.

;) Edited November 25, 2013 by BrasilNuts

[bersaguy]

Okay, I have put off posting to this before I had a chance to read most all the posts. The one thing I do not see in any of the posts but may have over looked it but here is my question and lets see how many can answer it.. When A law enforcement officer put hand cuffs on you that is a positive indication your being placed under arrest. What are the first words that come out of a real knowledgeable police officers mouth when he clicks those cuff on a persons wrist?????? This and this alone can win the man a great sum of money and has won many folks money and freedom even when guilty in the past ?               I watched the video 3 times to make sure I did no miss them.

[dralarms]

Well he is only required to read him his rights if he is being questioned

[DaveTN]

Okay, I have put off posting to this before I had a chance to read most all the posts. The one thing I do not see in any of the posts but may have over looked it but here is my question and lets see how many can answer it.. When A law enforcement officer put hand cuffs on you that is a positive indication your being placed under arrest. What are the first words that come out of a real knowledgeable police officers mouth when he clicks those cuff on a persons wrist?????? This and this alone can win the man a great sum of money and has won many folks money and freedom even when guilty in the past ?               I watched the video 3 times to make sure I did no miss them.

You are either under arrest or you are being detained. He was placed under arrest and transported. Nothing need be said but most Officers will tell you what you are being arrested for; but that is not required. Miranda is not required either.

[Guest CCPT]

Okay, I have put off posting to this before I had a chance to read most all the posts. The one thing I do not see in any of the posts but may have over looked it but here is my question and lets see how many can answer it.. When A law enforcement officer put hand cuffs on you that is a positive indication your being placed under arrest. What are the first words that come out of a real knowledgeable police officers mouth when he clicks those cuff on a persons wrist?????? This and this alone can win the man a great sum of money and has won many folks money and freedom even when guilty in the past ?               I watched the video 3 times to make sure I did no miss them.

As others have stated already, no Miranda is required unless you're going to be questioned in relation to a crime in which you could incriminate yourself. It's pretty common for folks to expect that (thanks to TV crime dramas), so those of us in the trade are familiar with the request. Cuffs typically mean arrest. The only time an officer should use cuffs for detention is if they can articulate an officer safety issue (i.e., multiple suspects, someone who could probably take your head off with one punch, etc.) I used to work with a guy who would routinely "detain" people in cuffs, with multiple officers there for back-up. Asking for trouble IMO...

[E4 No More]

Attempt at physical restraint is evidence of arrest. For instance, if an officer grabs your arm and you pull it away then that's resisting arrest. The LEO does not have to say "You're under arrest" for it to be an arrest.

[bersaguy]

ok , thanks for the updates on Miranda Rights because it has always been my understanding that your given your rights anytime you are cuffed and stuff in back seat of a squad car. I know a lot of guilty people that were arrested for some really serious crimes walked out of the court room totally free because they were not given their Miranda rights when arrested and lawyers got them off on that technicality.........

[DaveTN]

ok , thanks for the updates on Miranda Rights because it has always been my understanding that your given your rights anytime you are cuffed and stuff in back seat of a squad car. I know a lot of guilty people that were arrested for some really serious crimes walked out of the court room totally free because they were not given their Miranda rights when arrested and lawyers got them off on that technicality.........

The only way that could happen would be if the Officers interrogated the suspect without reading him his rights and that was the only evidence. Many guilty people get off on technicalities, but not reading them their rights is not one of them unless they made a statement that was ruled inadmissible during a pre-trial motion and the DA decided not to go forward with the case.

I have arrested many people on warrants and they seem to get upset because I didn’t read them their rights. I explain to them that they will be read their rights when they are questioned after being booked. Many times on a warrant the arresting Officer has no personal knowledge of the event that led to the charges.

You could be cuffed and placed in a squad car without being under arrest; but it’s rare. We couldn’t cuff a person without them being under arrest; but it was a Department policy not the law.

[94user]

I think that was because they were not read thier rights before being questioned. But I could be wrong.

Dave confirmed this before I hit the submit button.

Edited November 27, 2013 by 94user