TN Parent Arrested Trying to Pick Up His Own Kids

[Guest ThePunisher]

Another example of government authority thinking they know better for what is best for your children than you do. Before long you won't have any say in your family and will be at the mercy of the government. Been signs of government intervention into the family for some years now.

[Dustbuster]

Isn't that cop on south park ??


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling.

[RichardR]

Another example of government authority thinking they know better for what is best for your children than you do. Before long you won't have any say in your family and will be at the mercy of the government. Been signs of government intervention into the family for some years now.

I'm surprised that anyone (who pays attention) is surprised by this.

It's standard operating procedure for obtaining & maintaining authoritarianistic/totalitarianistic societies.

This sort of reduction/removal/replacement of parential importance/influence phenomenon is very well documented (if anyone cares to research it) and has been very effective in manipulating & controling a nation's populace in every "single political party nation" such as the U.S.S.R., Cuba, People's Republic of China, etc, that has adopted the practice.

There should be no doubt to anyone that this is the direction our nation is currently headed, the evidence of it is literally undeniable & unfortunately roughly half of all *cough* Amerikan voters *cough* actually desire this ..."fundamental transformation".

We lost the Cold War, of that I'm absolutely certain.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Y'all have no idea how bad this has raised the hackle on me. My teeth are bared and wantin' to bite somethin' bad! Someone find some phone numbers and post'm for me. Y'all are quicker than me at that. GRRRRR!!!!!!

http://cumberlandcountytn.gov/sheriff/

Butch Burgess, Sheriff

90 Justice Drive
Crossville, TN 38555

Phone (931) 484-6176

Fax (931) 456-7582

 

Also, not a bad idea to call these people and ask what is being done:

http://cumberlandcountytn.gov/county-commission/

http://cumberlandcountytn.gov/mayor/

 

I have seen people get arrested for DC then a few officers joke about it being for "contempt of cop". That was pretty isolated though. What is a lot more prevalent though is arrests for PI. I have seen officers use public intoxication as a catch all because it is very hard to disprove because it is based on the officer's observations and not any type of testing. When arrested for PI the arrestee is NEVER, at least from what I have seen, given any test to see if they are intoxicated. I have seen people who were completely sober get arrested for PI. And in every instance they said they were arguing with the officer. Not saying every officer does this but it does happen.

 

This stuff sickens me. The schools have too much control and power over our kids and the SROs are used as the muscle to enforce policy, not law.

[DaveTN]

What did the cop charge him with? Was he booked into jail? He didn’t appear threatening or disorderly to me. I didn’t pay attention when I was watching the video, was he asked to leave?

What’s the TCA and the Federal Laws the Father keeps taking about regarding picking your kids up at school?

All this was because they were letting the kids that ride the bus leave first?

It appears to me the cop was childish and unprofessional in his actions; but was way over the top when he cuffed him and stuffed him. But that’s based on not knowing what took place before they started showing the published video.

[Guest Bonedaddy]

Whelp, I fired off a friendly but somewhat scathing e-mail to the mayor. Wonder when I'll get the BS reply back. Didn't cuss the man (deputy dawg) but I sho' called'm an idiot and questioned the county's hiring practices and reminded them where their pay comes from. Maybe spooks will come knockin', tonight. Who knows? And do I care? Not in the least.

[Defender]

I learned a long time ago; no matter how wrong they may be, it doesn't pay to argue with a law enforcement officer.

While I usually agree with this...in this case, it actually MIGHT pay very well, lol.

Edited November 19, 2013 by barewoolf

[Peace]

Has anyone sent anything to WSMV or WKRN to see if they would pick it up?

 

     I hate to see this.  There may or may not be a lot that we are not seeing, but I cannot fathom that any SRO is supposed to function as the principal's hired goon - "enforcing" school policies.  If nobody is in danger, I would think any SRO would do well to keep their distance and keep out of it.

     I would like to know the back story, to see the TCA code about parents & kids, the school policy on picking up kids (and how it was communicated), and the written job description of the SRO.  Laying all of that out on the table would probably paint a very clear picture. 

 

     IF..if, if, if, this turns out to be a case of an SRO abusing his/her powers and/or a principal using them unethically, I hope everyone gets straightened out according to the law.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Peace

[Guest Bonedaddy]

I would really like to know the "law" on this, as well. I'm not real spiffy 'bout fingin' that kinda stuff, though. Don't have the patience to check bookoos of sites for it. Regardless of what any law says, this is wrong to hold a man's kids like that.

[mikegideon]

What did the cop charge him with? Was he booked into jail? He didn’t appear threatening or disorderly to me. I didn’t pay attention when I was watching the video, was he asked to leave?

What’s the TCA and the Federal Laws the Father keeps taking about regarding picking your kids up at school?

All this was because they were letting the kids that ride the bus leave first?

It appears to me the cop was childish and unprofessional in his actions; but was way over the top when he cuffed him and stuffed him. But that’s based on not knowing what took place before they started showing the published video.

 

I think the charge was Disorderly. Fact is, if that guy would have been truly disorderly, it would have taken a hell of a lot more than Donut Boy to get him in the car.

[GuitaRx]

I think what pissed donut boy off was the fact that he was calm, and donut boy didn't know how to deal with logic..

[dead2me]

Has anyone sent anything to WSMV or WKRN to see if they would pick it up?

 

     I hate to see this.  There may or may not be a lot that we are not seeing, but I cannot fathom that any SRO is supposed to function as the principal's hired goon - "enforcing" school policies.  If nobody is in danger, I would think any SRO would do well to keep their distance and keep out of it.

     I would like to know the back story, to see the TCA code about parents & kids, the school policy on picking up kids (and how it was communicated), and the written job description of the SRO.  Laying all of that out on the table would probably paint a very clear picture. 

 

     IF..if, if, if, this turns out to be a case of an SRO abusing his/her powers and/or a principal using them unethically, I hope everyone gets straightened out according to the law.

 

It was picked up here in Knoxville:

 

http://www.wate.com/story/24005228/cumberland-county-parent-releases-video-of-his-arrest-by-a-school-resource-officer

[Peace]

     In that article from WATE, the sheriff is quoted as saying that he did not watch the video and does not need to.  ie. "Whenever my deputies are acused of incompetence or inappropriate use of the "force of law", I will not investigate, and they will not be held accountable. (I have no real desire to uphold the law within my own ranks.)"

 

...hmm... sounds like cumberland county residents need to have a collective "sit down" with the sheriff.  

 

     More stations need to pick this up; the heat needs to be put on this school administration (for encating policies that contradict state law, and for inappropriate use of RSO) and the sheriff.  Unless there is something I am not seeing, this is a pure case of lawlessness by an LEO.

 

laywers of the group?  Can you give your opinion without actually saying anything that might be used against you?  :)

[Mike.357]

read about this today on WATE. 

 

I did not watch video's,  don't really care if the Dad was disorderly or not.  If he wants his kids and does not want to wait in line then go pick em up before the car line starts up.

 

Can any of you imagine the chaos that would ensue if every parent decided to go park and walk in the building to get their kids?

 

Dude probably did not deserve to be arrested,  but is it really that freaking hard to follow protocol?

[Peace]

 

Dude probably did not deserve to be arrested,  but is it really that freaking hard to follow protocol?

 

 

     If he did not deserve to be arrested, then he shouldn't have been arrested.  It's not like the deputy called him a girly-man and walked away.  He arrested him - possibly without due cause - an abuse of the rule of law.  

 

The parent was making his voice heard as a parent - in .. from what I saw, a pretty decent manner.   When we begin to see folks get arrested for that... and no one stands up against it.... oh boy.

 

     I'm sure we could sit down with some 80yr old+ african american men and women and download what it feels like to have no protection under the rule of law ... for the rule of law to serve as a blatant facade of righteousness and a resource for our oppression.  

 

     In my ignorant opinion: This is about principle, and a proper investigation needs to be carried out.  As a father with children in school, I have no desire to be a rumpus to anyone, but I do want to know where the rule of law stands - practically (not theoretically) as to my access to my kids.

 

so - I emailed Any Cordan at WKRN and linked him to the WATE story.  ??   :duck:

Edited November 19, 2013 by Peace

[Guest Bonedaddy]

As long as those people have a place to park, a way out and are not leavin' their cars in the traffic line or blockin' said traffic for an unreasonable amount of time, then I see no reason why dude can't get his kid when everyone else does. Hell, we do it like that over here and have no problems, what so ever and no need for an RSO but, granted, we're not that big, either but RSO dude coulda been "useful" in makin' sure that a thing like that flows smoothly, instead of bein' a jerk.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I bet the next step will be the parents will be barred from school property.

 

Also, I never heard where the father said he parked. He said he wanted to walk home with his kids.

[JayC]

The issue is he did follow protocol...  He found a loophole to their protocol, and they flipped out and tried to make stuff up on the fly...  They assumed all children would go home 1 of 3 ways, schoolbus, picked up in a car, or walk home alone.

 

This dad walks to school therefore skipping the parking/car situation, and is going to walk his kids home because he doesn't feel it's safe because of the traffic issues with the Sheriff admits to in the WATE article.  This situation is not documented in their policy and instead of treating him like an invisible car at the front of the line and allowing him to take his kids home right away.  

 

They wanted the parent to sign a form allowing his children to walk home from school unsupervised...  he objected to signing the form because he doesn't want his children to walk home alone, but instead wanted his children released to him and he would take them home.

 

He didn't walk into the building on his own, the deputy and/or a school official asked him to go into the office.  He shows up at the normal pickup point where children were being released to their parents and asked for his children just like any other parent in a car.

 

The school policy is wrong here, period.  While they are allowed to have policies regarding the safety of students/staff, and fire codes....  None of those are at issue in this case...  If anything this parents method of picking up is safer and less invasive than using a car.

 

You're right the parent should be reasonable...  If he shows up at the same place as parents with cars and asks for his children, then using the same process as when a parents car gets to the front of the line, his children should be retrieved and allowed to leave with him...  I don't think he was asking for any special treatment, only that his kids not be held for 45 minutes to an hour after school was let out when he was there to walk them home.

 

The deputy IMHO violated the law, every day he walks the streets of this state with a badge and a gun his clearly poor judgement is a risk to every citizen of this state.  Not only should he already have been fired and his POST certificate revoked, he should be sitting in jail awaiting charges for his violation of the law.  And frankly if I were the DA, he'd be looking at life in prison without the possibility of parole or worse.  

 

The school administrators who prohibited the father from having access to his children should be facing custodial interference charges or some other type of kidnapping related charge for refusing to provide access within a reasonable amount of time, school administrators are not little bureaucratic kings, they are subject to state law, and their ability to withhold access was not lawful, nor was it within reasonable guidelines of student or staff safety.

 

I agree, he should take his kids out of school, public schools are the root cause of so many of societies problems today, the sooner we can do away with the government interacting with our children on a daily basis the better.

 

read about this today on WATE. 

 

I did not watch video's,  don't really care if the Dad was disorderly or not.  If he wants his kids and does not want to wait in line then go pick em up before the car line starts up.

 

Can any of you imagine the chaos that would ensue if every parent decided to go park and walk in the building to get their kids?

 

Dude probably did not deserve to be arrested,  but is it really that freaking hard to follow protocol?

Edited November 19, 2013 by JayC

[tnguy]

Arguably if it was at the regular pickup place, he jumped the line. But it seems like releasing kids to walking parents should be something that could be accommodated if it keeps traffic off the road.

 

He should not have been arrested.

Edited November 19, 2013 by tnguy

[mav]

I have already commented on this story, so I am not going to rehash what I said previously.  I did have a tangential question.  Are schools so ****ed up now that a SRO is even required?  I find it amazing how much has changed with the school system in just a little over two decades.

[JayC]

So it would be safer for him to stand between cars on the side of a highway for 30-45 minutes with car whizzing by at 40 mph? 

 

Lets be honest, some teacher seeing the 3 or 4 cars pulled up, and goes and gets the kids as a group for those cars, the kids climb into those cars, and they pull off, and the process is repeated when the next 3 or 4 cars pull up....  How many parents can there be waiting to escort their kids home?  Lets say tops half a dozen?  Probably much less....  just grab those kids when you go back for the car kids... problem solved.

 

In all fairness this was some long established procedure that had been going on for years and years and this guy just decided to cause trouble...  The school had changed the process about a week ago, and it resulted in an unsafe traffic situation - which the Sheriff has admitted to in the WATE news article...  

 

And since the government is at best completely incompetent at the best of times, they took a problem, and made it worse, and when faced with a situation their procedure didn't cover instead of handling it like adults...  Deputy Donut decides to get into the middle of a faulty school procedure and gets his feelings hurt and breaks the law by unlawfully arresting this parent.

 

I'm not at all surprised the school administration is so clueless they couldn't figure out a solution to the problem...  I'm terrified that Deputy Donut still has a badge and a gun....  The fact the sheriff won't view the video tape and admit his deputy messed up and hasn't corrected this situation by making sure charges are dropped and the deputy is fired means the Sheriff needs to be recalled, or voted out of office next time around.

 

Arguably if it was at the regular pickup place, he jumped the line. But it seems like releasing kids to walking parents should be something that could be accommodated if it keeps traffic off the road.

 

He should not have been arrested.

[tnguy]

So it would be safer for him to stand between cars on the side of a highway for 30-45 minutes with car whizzing by at 40 mph? 

 

Not what I said. I merely said that if there was a single collection point, walking up to it could be seen as jumping the line. What if someone on a motorcycle did so? How about if a passenger ten cars back gets out and walks to the front? What if someone is a bit slow leaves a gap and someone in a small car zips in?

 

With that said, the sane thing is to have a procedure to allow parents who walk up to release their children.

 

Meh, I dunno. When I was at school, at the end of the day, you either left (most people walked or cycled) or waited for your parent on your own recognizance. Much about modern schooling makes me scratch my head.

[JayC]

I'm in agreement you have to have rules to provide for safety and of the students and staff, including not blocking traffic, or fire lanes...  So somebody cutting in line driving a motorcycle...  or a parent ten cars back getting out of their vehicle and coming up to get there kid may very well pose some hypothetical safety risk to the students or staff...  but somebody walking up doesn't.

 

I'm with you, I don't understand why the parents are there at all... get on the bus and ride home, or if you're near enough walk home...  

 

When I was in middle school, it was way too far to walk to school..  8 or 9 miles so it wasn't feasible to walk...  I can count the number of times my mom dropped me off at school on a single hand, and all of them were with her yelling at me for missing the bus ;)

 

In high school, I walked to school everyday day, it was less than half a mile, even after I got my license I found it easier to walk to school than fiddle with parking at the school ;)  If it was raining too hard, I'd drive my truck, or heaven forbid ride the bus.

 

I don't understand, my sister in law spends 2 hours a day waiting to drop off or pick her kids up from school, they don't live 1/3rd of a mile from the school...  I understand little kids, k thru 3rd grade maybe needing to ride the bus at that age...  but she picks up my nephew who is almost old enough to get a permit to drive.  I don't get it.

 

I personally won't be sending my kids to public school, as I too would ended up arrested over something stupid ;)  but if I was going to send them to school, they can ride on a school bus just fine.

 

Schools are run just as well as every other government program...  I know my education was absolutely piss poor, I can't even imagine how bad it is today.

 

Not what I said. I merely said that if there was a single collection point, walking up to it could be seen as jumping the line. What if someone on a motorcycle did so? How about if a passenger ten cars back gets out and walks to the front? What if someone is a bit slow leaves a gap and someone in a small car zips in?

 

With that said, the sane thing is to have a procedure to allow parents who walk up to release their children.

 

Meh, I dunno. When I was at school, at the end of the day, you either left (most people walked or cycled) or waited for your parent on your own recognizance. Much about modern schooling makes me scratch my head.

 

[McGarrett]

Am I remembering wrong or was it mentioned that the child has special needs? I can see why he would want to come to walk with the child especially in that circumstance.

 

Regardless of the protocol for child pickup this matter seems like something that the parents should be discussing across the desk from the principal and not being harassed and arrested by the SRO for no reason. Requesting to get your child from school at the front office is not a crime and it seemed in the video the guy was being civil and reasonable with the lady at the office handling the paperwork. This seems like a purely civil matter with no need for LEO involvement but the LEO keeps escalating the situation even though the guy remains calm.

 

I think SRO's can be an asset to the school but in this instance he seems more of a liability.

Edited November 19, 2013 by McGarrett

[Dolomite_supafly]

Not what I said. I merely said that if there was a single collection point, walking up to it could be seen as jumping the line. What if someone on a motorcycle did so? How about if a passenger ten cars back gets out and walks to the front? What if someone is a bit slow leaves a gap and someone in a small car zips in?

 

With that said, the sane thing is to have a procedure to allow parents who walk up to release their children.

 

Meh, I dunno. When I was at school, at the end of the day, you either left (most people walked or cycled) or waited for your parent on your own recognizance. Much about modern schooling makes me scratch my head.

Jumping line is not against the law. Yeah it pisses people off but what law have they broken? And more importantly what remedy can someone get against someone who cut in line? Nothing. People can bitch, grip and complain about it but beyond that nothing else can be done unless the property owner/manager decides to ask the person to leave the property. If a parent chooses to walk rather than wait it is not their fault the rest chose to sit along side of the road.

 

The officer kept on using inflammatory adjectives to try to provoke the parent into a confrontation but he didn't bite. And when he didn't bite it upset the officer so he arrested him.

 

The officer should be fired and charged criminally for kidnapping both the parent and the children. The sheriff should be charged with obstruction of justice for not investigating and suspended until another election can he held. The school principle should be fired and charged as well for being a coconspirator to the kidnapping of the children. And the taxpayers of the county should pay these parents millions for electing the sheriff but not before the officer, the sheriff and the principle are court ordered to give all their property and assets to the parents. Maybe when people like this start having to live under a bridge with their families they will see the error of their ways. But what is going to happen is nothing. The officer will continue to work there and will stand behind the immunity of being a member of the sheriff's office.

 

I hate officers that over step their authority and this was not a baby step but a world record leap.