Employee no carry in Gander Mountain?

[GuitaRx]

I used to drive local delivery, I never asked about whether I could carry or not. I just stopped at my car on the way out of the warehouse, picked up my lunch cooler and pistol, and then at the end of the day, stopped by my car and dropped off my lunch cooler and pistol before I drove back into the warehouse.  that simple. don't ask, don't tell.

[Dennis1209]

On the one hand, they are saying their goods and register money aren't worth the liability. Which is fine.

On the other hand, they are also saying that the employees lives aren't worth the liability. Which is not.

I do understand the insurance requirements. I don't like them though.

 

It makes perfect sense! Insurance is in the business of "risk" vs. profit. As a business owner, what's the most scum bags can get during an armed robbery? A couple cases of cigarettes, rolls of lottery tickets, some liquor and maybe a couple hundred bucks in cash.

 

A business owner who authorizes / condones personal carry of their employees opens themselves up to a variety of expensive court proceedings and lawsuits for the actions of the employees. Even if an employee successfully stops a violent robbery and his life was in jeopardy and kills the BG(s), he will be sued by he momma. And if an innocent bystander is hit by an errant bullet, the owner(s) are still named and responsible financially.

 

Insurance is almost mandatory for business's these days and they dictate the terms of the policy and set the rules and regulations.

 

So, it's up to the individual employee to determine his / her own risk whether to dismiss company policy for their own personal protection and carry, and risk discovery and termination.

 

I myself prefer the latter.

[RobertNashville]

I absolutely agree that the only person truly responsible for his/her security is that person him/herself.

 

I also would really prefer it if all employers allowed their employees to carry a firearm while working/on the employer's property/inside the employer's business if the employee wanted to do so.

 

However, I also find it perfectly reasonable for an employer to not allow an employee to carry while working/on the employer's property. The employer has and should have that right to make that decision with the best interests of his business in mind without being "forced" to make a decision by anyone. The employee has the right to either work somewhere else OR chose to break the rules and face the possible consequences.

[Guest PapaB]

As a business owner, what's the most scum bags can get during an armed robbery?

 

The life of everyone present, and you can't put a price on that. A responsible business owner doesn't just think about the property they own, they consider the welfare of those at their business.

 

A policy banning the use of weapons during a crime in which the perps don't use weapons is reasonable. A policy effectively banning a person from protecting their life is unconscionable.

[Dennis1209]

The life of everyone present, and you can't put a price on that. A responsible business owner doesn't just think about the property they own, they consider the welfare of those at their business.

 

A policy banning the use of weapons during a crime in which the perps don't use weapons is reasonable. A policy effectively banning a person from protecting their life is unconscionable.

 

Well...A responsible business owner as you put it wouldn't be in business for the long run if he didn't have a good business plan, followed his legal advice from his CPA and lawyer, and wouldn't be able to qualify for or accepted for liability insurance being that responsible employer.

 

A hard-core businessman does only think of his business and profit if he wants to stay in business! It always boils down to the almighty dollar.

 

I'm not saying it's the moral or right thing to do, contraire, one innocent life is more precious than a mountain of fiat worthless dollars and one has the legal and God given right to protect his / herself and family.

 

IMO, we got to this point where the almighty dollar is more valued than human life because of liberal politicians / laws / SCOTUS, greed, lawyers and case law, lobbyists, tree huggers, hippies, Mary Jane and free love, people in power having LSD trips 30-40 years later and chlorinated city water to name a few :ugh:

[RobertNashville]

To be blunt, if I owned a business; most especially one that catered to the public and had customer traffic (as opposed to simply serving other businesses) I would probably restrict carry inside my business property just as most other businesses do.

 

I would likely carry myself (or at least have a weapon close by) and I might allow select individuals to carry (those whom I knew had been trained to whatever standards I felt were a minimum and that would also be assuming that my business insurance would cover me in the event something happened and one of those employees was deemed to have been negligent). However, I likely would not allow all employees to carry inside my business proper.

 

This is not about individual rights as much as it is a business doing what is best for the business...if someone wants absolute autonomy with regards to carrying a firearm while working for an employer then their employer is probably going to have to be themselves.

[macville]

We should pass a law that removes liability for businesses that allows employee's to carry but don't require it if used in a shooting. It's really a simple idea because people are responsible for their own actions.