When will we stop adding ammo to the Anti Gun ammo bag?

[Guest TankerHC]

I didnt see this on here (Looked, maybe I missed it). We have here a Republican House Member, NRA Endorsed, and this happens. Never mind that she was in Washington, it happened in her house, and to the anti gun people thats all that matters, and it leaning up against a safe? Was she targeted and a thief got lucky? (I would hate to be on the husband end of that husband - NRA supported Congresswoman Wife discussion).

 

As Bob Owens of BearingArms put it "Bonehead, no excuse for not taking the extra 10 seconds to secure the rifle".

 

BTW, yes you will find this story on about every Left Wing site out there (As well as most of the right wing sites and every other news site).

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ar-15-rifle-stolen-from-rep-ellmers-nc-home-98719.html

Edited October 29, 2013 by TankerHC

[Guest Keal G Seo]

If she had a safe, yes, it was boneheaded. The other side of the coin says that theft can happen to the best of us.

[Lumber_Jack]

I'm not of the belief that gun owners have some God given responsibility to own a safe if you own firearms. If a child were involved I would probably be inclined to agree. But some scum bag broke I to her home and stole her property. I don't see how that was Her fault.

Yes as a US Rep she could surely afford a safe. But this sets precedence that it's the homeowners fault if your stuff gets stolen.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I'm not of the belief that gun owners have some God given responsibility to own a safe if you own firearms. If a child were involved I would probably be inclined to agree. But some scum bag broke I to her home and stole her property. I don't see how that was Her fault.

Yes as a US Rep she could surely afford a safe. But this sets precedence that it's the homeowners fault if your stuff gets stolen.

 

The anti gun crowd already tried to make it the manufacturers fault and that didn't work so now it is on to the actual owners. I bet if it is used in a crime it will be spun as her husband's fault and not the criminal's.

 

I should not be compelled to do anything I do not want to with my property, like lock guns in a safe. If I lay all my guns out on my front yard and they are stolen it is not my fault, it is the fault of the criminal that stole them. Yes I would be stupid for doing it but it would not be my fault.

 

I honestly wish theft was a much more serious crime than it is. I would be for a mandatory minimum of years in jail but as it stands someone can have dozens of convictions for theft and as long as no one is physically hurt they get no jail time. Theft is the first step in most career criminal's lives and if we can severely punish them there I think a lot of the more serious crimes committed later by career criminal would be reduced. Criminals today know that their time in jail is going to be an easy road if, and that is a big if, that actually do any time. The criminals need to feel some discomfort or they will continue to break the law.

 

Once they are convicted and sent to prison they should not be comfortable. They should be provided with food, shelter, safety and medical care. They have no consitutional right to a television. They should have no right to conjugal visits so they can produce another child I am going to have to support. No radios, drawing supplies or any commissary. And the food should meet nutrition requirements, not taste requirements. Do like what has been done with those who throw food. Blend the entire meal together into a slurry then add flour and bake it like a giant bisquit. I am talking about the meats, veggies, desserts, fruits and drinks all into a single bisquit. It works well and meets the nutritional requirements. I am sure it would be easy for a company to produce "jail bisquits" and it would be cheaper than most of the current meals that are prepared for inmates. Inmates should not eat and live better than our soldiers serving overseas.
 

[tnguy]

I agree. It's true that when things are lost either through theft, fire or other means, it's best to take the attitude of "it's just stuff" and "At least we have our health" (if applicable) but it has been taken too far. For most of us, our possessions represent an investment of an often significant part of our lives. Theft may appear non-violent but it can represent a quite significant impact. Let alone the psychological feeling of violation.

I'm not really so concerned about how they are treated when actually in prison. Just get them off the streets and increasing penalties for repeat offenders. Edited October 29, 2013 by tnguy

[Guest TankerHC]

Unfortunately this isn't about "Who's to blame?, this is about "WHOS TO BLAME!" Not everyone keeps every gun locked up in their safes 24/7. When your an NRA backed Republican pro gun, owner and 2A advocate you need to be extra extra careful. Every Pro 2A Politician is a Political Target.

 

This Rep clearly is not to blame. She wasnt even in the same State at the time of the theft. The thief is to blame. But none of that matters. This is high profile.

 

When this happened WHOS TO BLAME arrows are thrown directly at "The Pro 2A Congresswoman who cant even keep guns secure in her own house". The NRA who supports a Rep Pro 2A Congresswoman who cant even keep guns secure in her own house. The NRA backed Pro 2A Congresswoman who allowed just the kind of gun they have been trying to get a national ban on because she is unable to safely store these weapons in her own house.

 

Guns get stolen by thieves every single day. Guns dont get stolen every single day from NRA backed Pro 2A Congresswomen.

 

This is not about facts. This is about perception. Something the left is good at changing, regardless of the facts.

 

EDIT: Almost forgot, add Tea Party backed to NRA backed. And add that she is also one of the members of Congress who supported that "non" shutdown and has been making statements on how Obamacare is failing.

 

That is all being pointed out now by the left. To you and me (Whoever you are), she was in Washington and someone broke into her house, that person is to blame. to the left, she opened up a target of opportunity.

 

She WAS an asset in Congress, now she's a liability.

Edited October 29, 2013 by TankerHC

[peejman]

Until the penalty for stealing stuff gets so severe as to be a legitimate deterrent, people are gonna steal stuff. 

[JWC]

Her gun was secured, it was in her house.

Apples/oranges but the idea that one is responsible when their things are stolen is akin to when one claims a rape victim dressed too provocatively. Least in my eyes... To that end she should go on tv and use my line. Turn the emotion around on emotion based, typically liberal, critics.

[glock55]

NRA Gun Safety Rules

• Parents' Guide To Gun Safety
• Training Programs
• Education & Training Programs

NRA Gun Safety Rules
Available as a brochure

The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances. 2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger. 3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.

When using or storing a gun, always follow these NRA rules:

• Know your target and what is beyond.
  Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.
   
• Know how to use the gun safely.
  Before handling a gun, learn how it operates. Know its basic parts, how to safely open and close the action and remove any ammunition from the gun or magazine. Remember, a gun's mechanical safety device is never foolproof. Nothing can ever replace safe gun handling.
   
• Be sure the gun is safe to operate.
  Just like other tools, guns need regular maintenance to remain operable. Regular cleaning and proper storage are a part of the gun's general upkeep. If there is any question concerning a gun's ability to function, a knowledgeable gunsmith should look at it.
   
• Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.
  Only BBs, pellets, cartridges or shells designed for a particular gun can be fired safely in that gun. Most guns have the ammunition type stamped on the barrel. Ammunition can be identified by information printed on the box and sometimes stamped on the cartridge. Do not shoot the gun unless you know you have the proper ammunition.
   
• Wear eye and ear protection as appropriate.
  Guns are loud and the noise can cause hearing damage. They can also emit debris and hot gas that could cause eye injury. For these reasons, shooting glasses and hearing protectors should be worn by shooters and spectators.
   
• Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.
  Alcohol, as well as any other substance likely to impair normal mental or physical bodily functions, must not be used before or while handling or shooting guns.
   
• Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
  Many factors must be considered when deciding where and how to store guns. A person's particular situation will be a major part of the consideration. Dozens of gun storage devices, as well as locking devices that attach directly to the gun, are available. However, mechanical locking devices, like the mechanical safeties built into guns, can fail and should not be used as a substitute for safe gun handling and the observance of all gun safety rules.
   
• Be aware that certain types of guns and many shooting activities require additional safety precautions.
   
• Cleaning
  Regular cleaning is important in order for your gun to operate correctly and safely. Taking proper care of it will also maintain its value and extend its life. Your gun should be cleaned every time that it is used.

  A gun brought out of prolonged storage should also be cleaned before shooting. Accumulated moisture and dirt, or solidified grease and oil, can prevent the gun from operating properly.

  Before cleaning your gun, make absolutely sure that it is unloaded. The gun's action should be open during the cleaning process. Also, be sure that no ammunition is present in the cleaning area.

Like i thought the NRA has this covered. We all believe in gun retention and part of that IS securing your firearms even at home. WE HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND HE IS US. If you are a NRA member it might be useful to review their gun safety rules.

[Guest TankerHC]

Her gun was secured, it was in her house.

Apples/oranges but the idea that one is responsible when their things are stolen is akin to when one claims a rape victim dressed too provocatively. Least in my eyes... To that end she should go on tv and use my line. Turn the emotion around on emotion based, typically liberal, critics.

 

I agree. It was in her garage, a part of her house, she wasnt in the same State as the gun and didnt own it, its her sons. BUT.....perception...perception....perception.

 

To us, her son left an AR outside the safe and a thief broke in and stole it.

 

To THEM, as evidenced by numerous articles I have read today "SHE LOST an M16 type weapon by someone in her household leaving it unsecured". Oh "And she is a Tea Party backed anti Obama 2A supporter".

Edited October 29, 2013 by TankerHC

[Worriedman]

An FBI agent had his M4 and his riot shotgun stolen from his vehicle in Jackson a couple of years ago, still have not recovered them...