Met up with TerryKelley this afternoon on that J.C. Higgins 12 gauge aannnnnddd........(And a question for old (C&R) gun guys

[Guest TankerHC]

First let me say Terry is a great guy and we had a good meeting, glad to meet him. Second, let me say I couldnt walk out without these because of the deal he gave me and so if you deal with him, definitely do so with confidence. Probably the best deal I have got on any guns.

 

So I went after the Higgins and ended up with these.

 

The three shotguns, top to bottom.

 

Top one is a Glenfield Model 50 12 gauge.

 

Second shotgun is that J.C. Higgins Model 583.17, I noticed that the 17 had a bolt recall but since there was nothing really wrong with the bolts Sears just issued 50 dollar gift certificates. So Im good shooting it.

 

The bottom one is a Mossberg Model 100 with Polychoke. My first gun given to me by my dad, but I was too small (age 5 or 6) to use it, that left and I ended up with a Nylon 66, then a J.C. Higgins but mine was a 16 not a 17.

 

Then there is the military C&R carbine. He and I both have no idea what it is so was hoping someone might tell me. I buy C&R guns, havent run across one of these that I know of. At first very quick glance I thought Mosin, but at second glance was thinking Manlicher. Problem is there is a shroud on the front of the stock that I havent seen before, the receiver doesn't match any in my old gun book or any I see online, so I dont know what it is. If there is a marked caliber I dont see it.

 

The C&R gun has a stamped serial number that appears to be an import stamp but may be wrong. A68787. Top of the barrel behind the rear sight is stamped KKFSCIA and on the right of that is dated 1919 (Stamped). There is something stamped on the top of the receiver that I cannot make out and there is a square with a T stamped on the bolt handle. (Apears to be a T). FAT 1950 and OC 8787 is stamped on the wood. I know someone (or a lot of people) here can tell me what this is.

 

Pics below of the C&R gun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mark@Sea]

1891 Carcano, 6.5x52, en-bloc clip

[Guest TankerHC]

1891 Carcano, 6.5x52, en-bloc clip

 

 

Im guessing the FAT 1950 is an import stamp and year of import? Whats the FAT abbreviation for? Been searching and cant find anything.

[Mark@Sea]

The FAT is an arsenal rebuild stamp.  FAT stamps can also be found on M1's.  Nothing to do with the importer, just means the rifle was arsenal rebuilt in 1950.  If there is an importer marking, it will be found on the barrel or receiver, possibly under the wood line.

 

   Obviously not a WWII bringback, but there may still be no import markings.  That would make it a pre-68 import.

Edited October 25, 2013 by Mark@Sea

[gregintenn]

LOL! You probably can't sell the Carcano for enough to buy a box of ammunition for it.....Trust me, I have one.

 

 

I'm not calling your rifle cheap; I'm saying the ammo is EXPENSIVE!!!

Edited October 25, 2013 by gregintenn

[Guest TankerHC]

LOL! You probably can't sell the Carcano for enough to buy a box of ammunition for it.....Trust me, I have one.

 

 

I'm not calling your rifle cheap; I'm saying the ammo is EXPENSIVE!!!

 

Now that I know what it is, I know. When I was driving home told someone I think its a 6.5. But the other 6.5's I had seen had longer barrels and not the front thing on the stock. Either way, for what Terry sold it to me for. Just another to add to the C&R book. Was well worth it. My father actually hunted with one of these once after doing work on it.

[Mark@Sea]

You can reload for it...

[Garufa]

FAT is Fabbrica Armi Terni.  The Italian Terni arsenal.

 

The Carcano was made in 1919 at the Brescia aresenal and rearsenaled at FAT in 1950.  It looks like an M1891 TS carbine.  The upper handguard is missing.

 

Ammo....http://www.sgammo.com/product/prvi-partizan/20-round-box-65x52-carcano-139-grain-fmj-ammo-prvi-partizan-pp601

Edited October 25, 2013 by Garufa

[Guest TankerHC]

FAT is Fabbrica Armi Terni. The Italian Terni arsenal.

The Carcano was made in 1919 at the Brescia aresenal and rearsenaled at FAT in 1950. It looks like an M1891 TS carbine. The upper handguard is missing.

Ammo....http://www.sgammo.com/product/prvi-partizan/20-round-box-65x52-carcano-139-grain-fmj-ammo-prvi-partizan-pp601

So is the flip up on the rear sight. Going to see later if anyone sells parts for these

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