Teens steal Air Marshals Ammo

[Guest TankerHC]

Ok, so this is making National news. Its everywhere. (Even Scripps Howard is selling the story). So 3 teens break into a trailer owned by the US Air Marshals in Maryland and steal 70 boxes of ammo.

 

70 boxes. I would be willing to bet they didnt even know it was Air Marshals ammo or trailer. But I have some questions.

 

Why wasnt the Air Marshals ammo better secured? Locked in a trailer is not secured, there are thieves out there, some of whom took advantage of an empty trailer.

 

Why are there over 6000 news articles on this? Why is it the "talk of the town"?

 

Why are gun owners across the web complaining about 3500 rounds in the possession of US Marshals when there are (NO) ammo shortages? Is 3500 a lot?

 

 

Why has 3 teens in Anne Arundal County, MD who broke into a trailer making global news?

 

On WBAL, a Baltimore station I have watched and listened to for decades, it garnered 3 whole lines, but the world is aflame.

 

 

EDIT: OOP! Now its a "bullet heist" that numbers in the "Thousands of rounds".

 

Here's what they stole. Looks to me to be about a good range expenditure on a good day.

 

Edited October 21, 2013 by TankerHC

[Dustbuster]

Because the media will want to automatically tell everyone not to fly because the Marshall's have no boolits!


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[gjohnsoniv]

So was it recovered or was that ammo from another marshal?

[TerryW]

Thread creep

 

 

 

 

My buddy took a cell phone from an air marshal the other day.  I bet you anything that air marshal is looking for a new job.  I'm certain that shooting cell phone pictures up skirts won't look good on his resume.

[DaveTN]

Locked in a trailer is as secure as locked in my house or my car. I think it’s ridiculous that anyone would even imply they have a responsibility to better secure ammo from burglars.

 

No 3500 is not a lot.

 

The driver of the vehicle was an 18 year old adult; the two with him were 15 and 16. I hope they are all headed for prison or reform school; they are burglars.

 

Why is it a story? Because someone is trying to make it look like LEO’s made it easy for kids to get ammo; which is nothing close to what happened.

[Guest TankerHC]

Locked in a trailer is as secure as locked in my house or my car. I think it’s ridiculous that anyone would even imply they have a responsibility to better secure ammo from burglars.

 

No 3500 is not a lot.

 

The driver of the vehicle was an 18 year old adult; the two with him were 15 and 16. I hope they are all headed for prison or reform school; they are burglars.

 

Why is it a story? Because someone is trying to make it look like LEO’s made it easy for kids to get ammo; which is nothing close to what happened.

 

Government unsecured buildings are not the same as your house or car. I have worked in many Government buildings. Lots of people. Nothing left unsecured, not even allowed to photograph and subject to search at any time.

 

YOU have a right to be free from Government interference and secure your items how you see fit. . THE GOVERNMENT has a responsibility to secure the property of the people, bought with our taxpayer dollars. And there are SOP's for that. This isnt the way to do it.

 

Either way, I dont leave ammo in my car and except for what I need readily available, my ammo is as secure as my guns.

Edited October 21, 2013 by TankerHC

[DaveTN]

Government unsecured buildings are not the same as your house or car. I have worked in many Government buildings. Lots of people. Nothing left unsecured, not even allowed to photograph and subject to search at any time.

 

YOU have a right to be free from Government interference and secure your items how you see fit. . THE GOVERNMENT has a responsibility to secure the property of the people, bought with our taxpayer dollars. And there are SOP's for that. This isnt the way to do it.

 

Either way, I dont leave ammo in my car and except for what I need readily available, my ammo is as secure as my guns.

Was SOP violated? Ammo is not weapons of mass destruction. The blame here falls squarely on the shoulders of the criminals.

 

I leave ammo in my car; in a gun. My car is locked. I feel no special responsibility to put a safe in my car. I would rather my gun get stolen than my laptop; cheaper to replace.

 

But I guess if I was an 18 year old man I might try to blame the LEO’s for me breaking into their building. I might also try to blame my parents for me being a felon. Neither would fly.

[Guest TankerHC]

Was SOP violated? Ammo is not weapons of mass destruction. The blame here falls squarely on the shoulders of the criminals.

 

I leave ammo in my car; in a gun. My car is locked. I feel no special responsibility to put a safe in my car. I would rather my gun get stolen than my laptop; cheaper to replace.

 

But I guess if I was an 18 year old man I might try to blame the LEO’s for me breaking into their building. I might also try to blame my parents for me being a felon. Neither would fly.

 

Of course, I didnt say it didnt. At the same time, I have never seen government ammo just sitting out anywhere. Period. in the military, basic loads and all other ammo was secured on vehicles, or in conexes, or with the soldier,  with FEMA, every round was accounted for, our ammo was kept in State Police arms rooms and although we were allowed to carry our guns home, take them to the range and shoot when we wanted to, when we brought them to turn in, every round had to be accounted for and it was stored in safes, not left out in the open. And I would say yes, SOP's were "probably" violated. Unless the US Government has gotten super sloppy when it comes to securing ammo. It doesnt have to be weapons of mass destruction.

Edited October 22, 2013 by TankerHC

[bersaguy]

Ok , let me get this straight. An adult and two juveniles stole 3500 rounds or Air Marshals ammo? Just because I am not sure so I am gonna ask but don't Air Marshals use a specially designed ammo that won't penetrate the hull of an aircraft but will disable a human being if struck with it? I thought I heard something or read something to that effect somewhere but maybe someone here can clear that up for me?........... :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[vontar]

i Just want to know where the Air Marshall shops for bullets.  I know it is my tax dollars that pay for them but still I want to know where they find them.  :D

[East_TN_Patriot]

Ok , let me get this straight. An adult and two juveniles stole 3500 rounds or Air Marshals ammo? Just because I am not sure so I am gonna ask but don't Air Marshals use a specially designed ammo that won't penetrate the hull of an aircraft but will disable a human being if struck with it? I thought I heard something or read something to that effect somewhere but maybe someone here can clear that up for me?........... :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
 

Not that I am aware of.  I have a friend who teaches pilots for the Flight Deck Officer program and he has not indicated that any special ammo is used or even needed. The idea that the entire side of an aircraft will rip off from a bullet hole is Hollywood nonsense as far as I am aware.  Take it for what it's worth, but the Mythbusters even tried to make that happen and all they got was a small bullet hole in the side of an airplane.

[bersaguy]

Not that I am aware of.  I have a friend who teaches pilots for the Flight Deck Officer program and he has not indicated that any special ammo is used or even needed. The idea that the entire side of an aircraft will rip off from a bullet hole is Hollywood nonsense as far as I am aware.  Take it for what it's worth, but the Mythbusters even tried to make that happen and all they got was a small bullet hole in the side of an airplane.

 

Not that I am aware of.  I have a friend who teaches pilots for the Flight Deck Officer program and he has not indicated that any special ammo is used or even needed. The idea that the entire side of an aircraft will rip off from a bullet hole is Hollywood nonsense as far as I am aware.  Take it for what it's worth, but the Mythbusters even tried to make that happen and all they got was a small bullet hole in the side of an airplane.

 

Not that I am aware of.  I have a friend who teaches pilots for the Flight Deck Officer program and he has not indicated that any special ammo is used or even needed. The idea that the entire side of an aircraft will rip off from a bullet hole is Hollywood nonsense as far as I am aware.  Take it for what it's worth, but the Mythbusters even tried to make that happen and all they got was a small bullet hole in the side of an airplane.

Thanks and a buddy of mine just pm'd me what they shoot and what ammo they use. It is the normal stuff and I kinda figured it would be but ya hear things and then you like to confirm what you hear so I ask questions when I am not sure. I have always thought it would just be a clean hole unless it hit something vital in the hydraulics and if it took out a window might be some decompression but should equalize quickly with little damage. 

[Guest TankerHC]

Not that I am aware of.  I have a friend who teaches pilots for the Flight Deck Officer program and he has not indicated that any special ammo is used or even needed. The idea that the entire side of an aircraft will rip off from a bullet hole is Hollywood nonsense as far as I am aware.  Take it for what it's worth, but the Mythbusters even tried to make that happen and all they got was a small bullet hole in the side of an airplane.

 

I always wondered about that. I know aircraft are "supposed to be" air tight and the air inside is recirculated. but at the same time a lot of the military aircraft I have flown on were far from being air tight. But of course most of them werent flying 4-500 MPH. The only mil aircraft that "I THINK" might have been air tight that I flew on was a C5A Galaxy that I caught a hop on to Guam.

 

So, for you aircraft guys, would a bullet hole depressurize (Instead of blowing out a whole section) an aircraft flying at 34,000 feet at over 500 MPH (According to what I just read the max speed of a 747 at cruise altitude is 547 MPH/1093 Kmhr.

Edited October 22, 2013 by TankerHC

[K191145]

I always wondered about that. I know aircraft are "supposed to be" air tight and the air inside is recirculated. but at the same time a lot of the military aircraft I have flown on were far from being air tight. But of course most of them werent flying 4-500 MPH. The only mil aircraft that "I THINK" might have been air tight that I flew on was a C5A Galaxy that I caught a hop on to Guam.

 

So, for you aircraft guys, would a bullet hole depressurize (Instead of blowing out a whole section) an aircraft flying at 34,000 feet at over 500 MPH (According to what I just read the max speed of a 747 at cruise altitude is 547 MPH/1093 Kmhr.

 

I know how some hate using Mythbusters but they did a test where they pressurized a plane to equal 35K and shot a hole through a window. It made a 9mm hole and a wistling noise. some loose paper blew around a little.

[Westwindmike]

Aircraft are not "air tight". Far from it. The jet engines produce a huge amount of pressurization air. There have to be "holes" in the aircraft to vent it out. They are called outflow valves. They are huge in a commercial airliner. In the 10 passenger jet I flew, there were 2 outflow valves under the co-pilots seat area and each was about 6 inches in diameter. So all you are doing is "controlling the leaks". A bullet hole in the side of the aircraft would be no big deal from a pressurization standpoint.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Westwindmike

[TMF]

Thread creep




My buddy took a cell phone from an air marshal the other day. I bet you anything that air marshal is looking for a new job. I'm certain that shooting cell phone pictures up skirts won't look good on his resume.

You know the guy that snatched up that phone? Awesome! I was just reading that story about it the other day. Mi figured it musta been pretty blatant for a bystander to be so bold as to snatch the phone away from him.

[TMF]

Of course, I didnt say it didnt. At the same time, I have never seen government ammo just sitting out anywhere. Period. in the military, basic loads and all other ammo was secured on vehicles, or in conexes, or with the soldier, with FEMA, every round was accounted for, our ammo was kept in State Police arms rooms and although we were allowed to carry our guns home, take them to the range and shoot when we wanted to, when we brought them to turn in, every round had to be accounted for and it was stored in safes, not left out in the open. And I would say yes, SOP's were "probably" violated. Unless the US Government has gotten super sloppy when it comes to securing ammo. It doesnt have to be weapons of mass destruction.

Haha, prepare yourself for disappointment if you have the expectation that ammo is handed by other government entities the way we handled it in the military.

Sounds to me like it was stored in a manner acceptable to the job they are doing. It's just ammo.

[peejman]

So, for you aircraft guys, would a bullet hole depressurize (Instead of blowing out a whole section) an aircraft flying at 34,000 feet at over 500 MPH (According to what I just read the max speed of a 747 at cruise altitude is 547 MPH/1093 Kmhr.

 

 

No.

 

A commercial aircraft is about as air-tight as your house.

[Patton]

Of course, I didnt say it didnt. At the same time, I have never seen government ammo just sitting out anywhere. .

It happens all the time. I know where their is about 100k rounds of ammo in a locked trailer. Yes, Fed's ammo. Edited October 22, 2013 by Patton

[Patton]

Ok , let me get this straight. An adult and two juveniles stole 3500 rounds or Air Marshals ammo? Just because I am not sure so I am gonna ask but don't Air Marshals use a specially designed ammo that won't penetrate the hull of an aircraft but will disable a human being if struck with it? I thought I heard something or read something to that effect somewhere but maybe someone here can clear that up for me?........... :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

The only ammo FAMs have shot in the last 10plus years is the Speer Lawman and Speer Gold Dots as seen in the photos.