TGO AR Build Deals

[Fourtyfive]

Just got the shipping notification for my PSA Magpul MOE LBK w 5 pmags. Should be here Wednesday. :-)
Still haven't gotten my upper... thinking about going with this: http://www.shop.masdefense.com/16-556-223-BARRELED-UPPER-VECTOR-12-SERIES-165VRBU.htm

Me too :)

Me three ! My second one arrives Wednesday as well but it's not the 5 Mag kit.

[Oh Shoot]

PSA 10.5" pistol or SBR complete upper w/BCG/charging handle,  less sights, FN barrel, free float rail, etc, under 5 Franklins.

 

 

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/15089/s/psa-10-5-chf-5-56-nato-sqr-9-upper-w-bcg-ch/

 

- OS

Edited November 13, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[z0mbies fear me]

PSA Lower build kit is here. Came with 5 gen 2 pmags :)

[Garufa]

Make sure all your little pieces are right.  I love PSA but have heard they sometimes have difficulty assembling LPK's correctly.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Garufa

[z0mbies fear me]

Make sure all your little pieces are right. I love PSA but have heard they sometimes have difficulty assembling LPK's correctly.

Thanks for the heads up. I will clean my loading bench off and lay everything out to make sure it is all there.

[musicman]

Got mine today too :-)

[tnguy]

Not here yet. But I know it has to be soon.

[southernasylum]

PSA Lower build kit is here. Came with 5 gen 2 pmags :)

Mine should be here tomorrow. Now I am gonna be eager to have something to install it on.
-southernasylum

[JeffL]

Make sure all your little pieces are right.  I love PSA but have heard they sometimes have difficulty assembling LPK's correctly.

 

I've built 3 from them with no issues. Just built one a couple days ago.

[Fourtyfive]

Two PSA lower STR builds kits , check. Gonna lose a Plastic Fantastic lower to a RRA Varmint Upper and reconnect to a TGO BILLET with this .... .300 BLK Runner Runner Guns , the RRA Varmint will get the second TGO Billet Lower.

 

 

 

 

Somebody is getting this for Xmas ..... 5.56 ...

 

 

 

 

I must say the SA&A upper came in two tubes , thought I may have gotten two uppers ( like I would not have called them to return it ) I carefully opened both tubes and found that they sent about 20 full size targets in the second tube. First class all the way !

Edited November 14, 2013 by Threeeighty

[jcluff]

Fantastic deal on BCG and charging handle!!!!

 

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/p-tac-5-56-full-auto-bolt-carrier-group-w-charging-handle.html  

 

Just thought I would share.

[Oh Shoot]

Fantastic deal on BCG and charging handle!!!!

 

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/p-tac-5-56-full-auto-bolt-carrier-group-w-charging-handle.html  

 

Just thought I would share.

 

How much was it?

[TripleDigitRide]

How much was it?

$89

[tnguy]

Thinking of starting out with a pistol upper just so I can have a pistol first (plus it would be cool to have for later builds). I don't really want to use my CMT upper for the job as I figure I'll use that for a rifle and don't want to mess it up switching the barrels out. Good deal here?

 

http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=334

 

Or should I build from scratch?

[Luke E.]

Thinking of starting out with a pistol upper just so I can have a pistol first (plus it would be cool to have for later builds). I don't really want to use my CMT upper for the job as I figure I'll use that for a rifle and don't want to mess it up switching the barrels out. Good deal here?

http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=334

Or should I build from scratch?

You do not have to have a pistol (short barreled) upper to have a legal pistol as there is not max barrel length for a pistol. An AR pistol is an AR void of a buttstock and any sort of vertical foregrip. Others will almost certainly chime in and add anything I might have forgotten but I think I have it covered.

Unless you just happen to want to buy the upper anyways. Edited November 19, 2013 by Luke E.

[tnguy]

That would mean all I have to do to have the lower qualify as a pistol is assemble it without the stock attached? I think I need to do some more reading on this :)

[2.ooohhh]

You do not have to have a pistol (short barreled) upper to have a legal pistol as there is not max barrel length for a pistol. An AR pistol is an AR void of a buttstock and any sort of vertical foregrip. Others will almost certainly chime in and add anything I might have forgotten but I think I have it covered.

Unless you just happen to want to buy the upper anyways.

Not a lawyer but as I understand it while Federally there is no max pistol barrel length if you want to carry it as a "handgun" in TN there is.

 

State law defines a “handgun” as “any firearm with a barrel length of less than twelve inches” that is “designed, made or adapted” to be fired with one hand.

 

TCA 38-11-106

Edited November 19, 2013 by 2.ooohhh

[Guest Keal G Seo]

You do not have to have a pistol (short barreled) upper to have a legal pistol as there is not max barrel length for a pistol. An AR pistol is an AR void of a buttstock and any sort of vertical foregrip. Others will almost certainly chime in and add anything I might have forgotten but I think I have it covered.

Unless you just happen to want to buy the upper anyways.

That would mean all I have to do to have the lower qualify as a pistol is assemble it without the stock attached? I think I need to do some more reading on this :)

Mostly. You would have to modify the buffer tube so that a stock could not be attached, whether it is or not. Easiest ways to do this are:
Full length stock - Put screw in and cut off, tack weld.
Carbine - Fill adjustments with JB weld or something similar.

My personal opinion is instead of ruining a good stock just get a cheap pistol buffer tube (40-60).

As for the upper, there is no such thing as a pistol upper. Luke is correct that there is no max length. If you want an AR pistol with a 24" barrel...that is your prerogative.

2 ooohhh as I am typing :) Probably right, local laws can always eff ya. As for federal though, so far so good.

Also, won't be getting my parts till early next year (unless I find some killer deals) so if any of you are in the same boat I will post when I do and if you are near by come on and we can build it up and snap some pics. :)

[Oh Shoot]

Mostly. You would have to modify the buffer tube so that a stock could not be attached, whether it is or not. Easiest ways to do this are:

 

Absolutely not a requirement.  There is no standard spec illegal AR receiver extension for an AR pistol. If you expect to go back and forth between pistol and rifle with same lower frequently, it only makes sense to have a carbine or rifle buffer tube on it.

 

Simply always have a legal use for any groups of parts in your possession, out and about, or even anywhere on your property. Never have a part or groups of parts that can only be used in an illegal config. And do not assume a "pistol" buffer exempts you from that, either.

 

Also correct that barrel length is not defined federally for a "handgun" or "pistol", although "designed to be fired by one hand" is, so there's always a gray area in going over, say, 12" I suppose.. But yes, federally, one could argue that any time an AR is first built, as long as the stock goes on last, one has first constructed a handgun.

 

And as mentioned, TN defines "handgun" in TCA as "less than 12 inches". Not that it's illegal to possess something that is "not a handgun, but not a rifle" here, but I suppose if push came to shove could figure regarding how possessed in relation to the HCP.

 

- OS

[Guest Keal G Seo]

Absolutely not a requirement.  There is no standard spec illegal AR receiver extension for an AR pistol. If you expect to go back and forth between pistol and rifle with same lower frequently, it only makes sense to have a carbine or rifle buffer tube on it.

Ok, yes correct. It is the constructive part that had me confused. If you have the correct upper to go along with it (and given the conversation, will) you don't have to plug the tubes. But if you have just a short upper (<16"), standard buttstock, buffer and no SBR stamp...that is when you have to modify the buffer because you wouldn't have a legal purpose for the buttstock. Otherwise, yes if you can fully convert the lower to a legal carbine/rifle then you don't have to modify.

[tnguy]

Our tax dollars at work :)

[Oh Shoot]

Ok, yes correct. It is the constructive part that had me confused. If you have the correct upper to go along with it (and given the conversation, will) you don't have to plug the tubes. But if you have just a short upper (<16"), standard buttstock, buffer and no SBR stamp...that is when you have to modify the buffer because you wouldn't have a legal purpose for the buttstock. Otherwise, yes if you can fully convert the lower to a legal carbine/rifle then you don't have to modify.

 

A pistol buffer is no ultimate defense from anything.

 

The test is simple:

".. an NFA firearm is made if aggregated parts are in close proximity such that they: 

(a) serve no useful purpose other than to make an NFA
firearm (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and a short barrel); or
( b ) convert complete weapon into an NFA firearm (e.g., a pistol and attachable shoulder stock, or a long-barreled rifle and attachable short barrel)"

 

There is no definition of "attachable" and no definition for "close proximity". If I only had an AR pistol, and no AR rifle or 16" AR barrel,  I would not have an AR stock anywhere on my property, regardless of buffer type. Or a vertical forward grip is the pistol is not a legal 26" overall length.

 

Gaffer tape will attach a stock, and I consider any where on my property as "close enough", if the axe they decide to grind is for you.

 

Simpler than it sounds:

 

Full auto or can aside, look at a part or component:

- Is there an illegal config I could use this with?

- If no, cool.

- if yes, then

- is there also a legal config I could use this with?

- if yes, cool

- if no, don't have it

 

- OS

Edited November 21, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[KKing]

I don't really know what to say. If the barrel and bcg are any good this is the best deal I've seen in a long long time http://www.slickguns.com/product/ptac-16-19-m4-556-nato-blackhawk-rifle-kit-22lr-conversion-kit-499 Edited November 23, 2013 by KKing

[McGarrett]

Just received my order from DSG Arms yesterday. They have really good deal on Magpul MOE stock kit with buffer tube, handguard, and grip. All colors are the same price, $99 with free shipping. http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/MGMOEKITOD.aspx

 

This was my first order from them but they got it right and it shipped fast. They have some good deals, especially on Magpul items, check them out.

[Dustbuster]

I bought from dsg arms as well, excellent supplier Edited November 23, 2013 by Dustbuster