Liberal violence?

[Guest Steelharp]

Guys, quick... I need some examples. I have a guy that sent me this:

Timothy McVeigh, the abortion clinic bombings and killings of Doctors, the guy who opened fire in a Unitarian church a couple months ago, the guy who murdered the head of the Arkansas Democratic party a couple of weeks ago, the murder of Alan Berg... all on the right.

I can't find any left leaning similarities. Are we on the right truly more prone to outright violence than they are? I need something to throw back, some things on American soil would be best...

[Guest bkelm18]

I wouldn't say more prone to violence but more prone to stand up for our ideals, unfortunately, some people take it too far. I really think when it comes to the criminally insane like those examples, your political affiliation really matters none.

[DaveTN]

I’m not sure of the content of the links so I PMed them to you. I had to cut out some of the text because it was too big for a PM.

[Guest grimel]

ELF, ALF, PETA, '68 Dem Convention, the VT shooter, he!! all the school shooters, the MS-13 thug who shot a SF man and son (again, pick your gang banger),

[Guest Steelharp]

Dave... all that shoe throwing, yelling, threatening... it pales in comparison to deaths caused by extreme right wingers.

I'm gonna have to do some thinking about my stance, here...

[Guest c.a.s.]

HITLER was a left-winger, if you didn't know. Makes all the others pale in comparison, doesn't it.

[Falcon1]

I seem to recall that Stalin and Mao were left-wingers, and I think they did a lot of violence.

Left-wingers just wait until they control a government to do it.

Uh...oh-oh.

[Guest Mugster]

What about the manson family? Now there's some hippies that did some damage.

[NuTcAsE]

ELF, ALF, PETA, '68 Dem Convention, the VT shooter, he!! all the school shooters, the MS-13 thug who shot a SF man and son (again, pick your gang banger),

Now wait, they were only "protesting", and thats O.K. as long as you're a lib. If you're a conservative then you're a right wing nut job.

[Im Neero]

HITLER was a left-winger, if you didn't know. Makes all the others pale in comparison, doesn't it.

Hitler was an extreme right winger. Fascism is the far right of the political spectrum.

Mao and Stalin were left wingers. Communism is on the far left, just right of anarchy.

I wouldn't let this effect my views if I were you, when carried out to the extreme both ends of the political spectrum have terrible consequences.

[midtennchip]

I guess with current news reports, the Weather Underground Organization (with Obama supporters who were prominent members) would come to mind. Also, the Animal Liberation Front, the Earth Liberation Front, the Black Liberation Army (an element of the Black Panthers), the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the Armed Forces for Puerto Rican National Liberation (the "FALN"), not to mention a long history of violence in relation to union organization activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

There's also this list, including the 2004 killing of two Christian missionaries in SF, the church killing in Colorado in 207 (how quickly the left forgets), and a number of incidents involving "neo-Marxist" gangs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2052662/posts

http://cofcc.org/?p=641

http://cofcc.org/?p=524

[fizik]

lenin, stalin, hitler, mao, several south american governments...and those are all left wingers killing and doing such wrong at a much higher level than an occasional murder or bombing.

but in truth, anyone with any political leaning can take their beliefs too far. it's not radicals or reactionaries at far ends of the spectrum all the time, it can be anyone who takes their beliefs way too far.

[Guest bkelm18]

lenin, stalin, hitler, mao, several south american governments...and those are all left wingers killing and doing such wrong at a much higher level than an occasional murder or bombing.

but in truth, anyone with any political leaning can take their beliefs too far. it's not radicals or reactionaries at far ends of the spectrum all the time, it can be anyone who takes their beliefs way too far.

Hitler was right wing. National Socialism is extreme right wing.

[fizik]

oops, dunno where that came from. my bad there, fascism is definitely the extreme right-wing counterpart to communism, but the others apply.

[Guest grimel]

HITLER was a left-winger, if you didn't know. Makes all the others pale in comparison, doesn't it.

Pol Pot, Castro, Che, the list of leftist government hooligans is endless.

[Guest grimel]

Hitler was an extreme right winger. Fascism is the far right of the political spectrum.

Umm, government controll of business isn't a right wing condition.

[Im Neero]

I think you're confusing authoritarianism with the right-left political spectrum. There are authoritarian governments on both sides of the spectrum, i.e. communism and fascism. While there was not a lot of practical difference between Stalin and Hitler's governments, the ideological basis for their rule was worlds apart. I don't want to get into a treatise on political theory, so just take my and other's word for it, Hitler was extreme right, not extreme left.

[Guest Ghostrider]

Steelharp, suggest you do a little lite research on what's going on in CA with the left wingers running amok on the scientists that are doing animal experiments.

These scientists are not looking for a longer lasting lipstick, they are doing serious research on brain disease and other neurological problems. It's current and it goes right to the door of the left. Likewise, the berkley attacks on the marines, etc, etc. Yeah, a lot of it is just threats, but it's boiling over right now.

Even easier, look at what the crowd did with Michelle Malkin, had she not had her own security, they would very likely have killed her at the mint.

[waynesan]

Don't forget Obama's friend and advisor Bill Ayers who set off bombs in the sixties for the "Weather Underground."

And Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber.

[Smith]

The problem in the argument is that Liberals use government for violence and right wingers use independent "attacks" for protest. The scope of liberal violence is beyond compare with the incidents he listed. Just Che's violence/murders is enough to quell his senseless argument.