Ted Cruz just ran out the clock!!!

[Luke E.]

As soon as I woke up this morning I all but ran to the TV to see if he was still standing. Not only was he still standing but he continued on until the official new day has to start at 12pm et. He has to have had a catheter bag hanging on his leg, if not one on both legs. Ted Cruz is a senator that all others should strive to be more like IMO. 

[Wingshooter]

I stayed up way too late last night watching him. Can we trade him for our two? He could do both their jobs better with his eyes closed.

[Guest ThePunisher]

He's an amazing patriotic American representative of liberty and freedom.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

He is doing more recruiting for conservatives
than Karl Rove can fight. And there is a real
battle within the Republican Party, right now.

I hope he can keep going. It's great to see
someone with conviction on the right.

[Jonnin]

All he had to do to run out the clock was to read the obamacare bill word for word.  He would still be going a week from now.

[Luke E.]

All he had to do to run out the clock was to read the obamacare bill word for word. He would still be going a week from now.

Wouldn't that have been a sight to see!

[Jonnin]

I still think he picked his fight poorly, and even if he wins, he loses here.  

[Guest ThePunisher]

The commie Dumacrats and Rhino McCain are in the process of criticizing Cruz now. I wish MCCain would just go and switch over to the Dumacrat party along with Corker and Alexander. Edited September 25, 2013 by ThePunisher

[Wingshooter]

I still think he picked his fight poorly, and even if he wins, he loses here.

How so? I thought Obama picked this fight by forcing it through in the first place.

[Wingshooter]

The commie Dumacrats and Rhino McCain are in the process of criticizing Cruz now.

They're jealous and want to be like him ;)

[Luke E.]

I still think he picked his fight poorly, and even if he wins, he loses here.

I don't think that's completely true, would you rather carry on with the senators that only fight for a garaunteed? I'd like to think that he's given more courage to the house and I hope that the senate catches a whiff of it. Now it may not change the outcome but he has at the very least given the people hope, hope that there are still those that will fight the good fight.

[Guest ThePunisher]

They're jealous and want to be like him ;)

They need to get a backbone first.

[Luke E.]

The commie Dumacrats and Rhino McCain are in the process of criticizing Cruz now.

 

Yep.. I heard some very very disrespectful things said and that has no place on the house or senate floor!

[Guest 6.8 AR]

All he had to do to run out the clock was to read the obamacare bill word for word.  He would still be going a week from now.

But a cappella is more of something singing of character, isn't it? It wouldn't have much meaning if he just read it,

or the Communist Manifesto.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

How is he losing? He is one man making the message available to the American public, and is doing wonderfully.

He is moving a mountain, one shovel at a time. If you can't get behind this, what can you get behind?

[Guest ThePunisher]

But a cappella is more of something singing of character, isn't it? It wouldn't have much meaning if he just read it,
or the Communist Manifesto.

It seems that the Dumacrats and Rhinos prefer the Communist Manifesto to the American Constitution.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

They will eventually pay for that. Both sides will.

[Luke E.]

How is he losing? He is one man making the message available to the American public, and is doing wonderfully.

He is moving a mountain, one shovel at a time. If you can't get behind this, what can you get behind?

 

EXACTLY!

[Jonnin]

I don't think that's completely true, would you rather carry on with the senators that only fight for a garaunteed? I'd like to think that he's given more courage to the house and I hope that the senate catches a whiff of it. Now it may not change the outcome but he has at the very least given the people hope, hope that there are still those that will fight the good fight.

 

Its not that at all.   I agree with him, but, look at it twice.

 

If he wins:

-he has strengthened the idea that the law of the land can be ignored by those in power.  That is already a serious problem with our government, but we don't need MORE of it.   Like it or not Obamacare was voted into law, signed off by the executive, and even contested and won in the supreme court.  Defunding it now comes across as sore loser and dirty fighter. 

- his fight does not address the problem.  If he wins, and we extend our borrowing after defunding Obamacare, then we ARE STILL INCREASING DEBT.   So conservatives LOSE the fight here regardless.

- If he wins,  conservatives take the blame for the failure of Obamacare.  "it never had a chance because it was illegally defunded" type whines from the left.  If he wins, conservatives will lose more and more of the "middle of the road" voters.  The party is rapidly losing ground with moderates and this is not helping.  Obamacare WILL fail on its own -- but it has to do that.  If it is forced down by conservatives, the point is not made clearly to the liberals. 

- if he wins, you can bet the next time conservatives are in power (if ever) that these tactics will be seen again...... 

 

and if he loses, he just makes conservatives (or at least himself) look idiotic to anyone who is not already in his camp.   Which is the likely outcome -- same as every other govt shutdown, everyone caves in at the last second and we do it again in 6 months.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Well, using that logic, Obama has delayed provisions of his own law. How is that working out? I don't understand

how defunding that bill, since it is the only way to stop implementation until there is a majority of conservatives in

the senate, is illegal. Look at the EPA. How many regulations have they implemented without legislation to back

it up? And that fence at the Mexican border wasn't funded or appropriated by either of two presidents.

 

Defunding is the only thing that can work, unless you would rather see this country starve to death by its

implementation. Unemployment is on the increase, and this bill is doing nothing but killing jobs, unless you want

to count an increase in government jobs, which that won't even cover.

 

I agree with you Jonnin, but someone needed to step up to the plate and expose any Republican who would let

this law become fully implemented because he or she has no spine. Sometime, there are few alternatives and

Cruz is taking a stand. Shutting down the government is all make believe, anyway. I wish it would actually do the

real version until these fools do their damned jobs, for once, because we can't afford it, or the printing of money.

 

If the Republican Party is to suffer, then so be it. They can die and it won't hurt my feelings, one way or another.

This is one instance that character of one man will shine through. It is something he pledged to do and thank God

he is sticking to his word. The Democrats have everything to lose with this, also.

 

I don't see this as ignoring anything, except as a backdoor approach to bringing this country back on course with

constitutional law. That one ruling at the Supreme Court was so narrow, it doesn't matter as to the law, itself, but

only to whether it is a tax or not.

[BigK]

Hard to believe anyone born in Canada and educated at both Princeton AND Harvard could turn out to be such an awesome leader.

[Jonnin]

Agreed on the first paragraph... the issue is that the more we allow the laws to be twisted and ignored, the worse it gets, and this is a very large law to play games with. 

 

Yes.  I would rather see it as a tough learning experience for the country than have it seen as a "victim".   It does a lot more than kill jobs.  People are already getting love letters that their insurance package will change next time it is renewed, and not for the better....  

 

It is too late to stand up to it, because it is already voted for by the spineless folks you mentioned.  I would much, much, much, much rather that he had taken a stand against borrowing more money than trying to fight just obamacare.   You are right, someone DOES need to take a stand, and I support the man.  But I think he picked the wrong fight here -- more borrowing for ANY reason is the fight.   Obamacare is a red herring.

[mikegideon]

I still think he picked his fight poorly, and even if he wins, he loses here.  

 

Here's what Herman had to say. I agree...

 

http://www.caintv.com/four-concrete-reasons-ted-cruz

[mikegideon]

The technical reality... It can't be totally defunded anyway, because it uses lots of funny money. The only way to kill this demon is to regain the senate, keep the house, and repeal the whole damn thing.

 

With that said, Ted did an awesome thing. Until a real fix can come about, I'm just gonna relish in the fact that Obamacare may kill off some of the tit hangers. 

[Mark@Sea]

I still think he picked his fight poorly, and even if he wins, he loses here.  

 

  Yeah?  Tell that to Taffy Three.  There are times you have to fight, even when - or especially when - you're going to lose.  A recurrent complaint about the Republicans in the senate is that they are spineless weasels - to the point where they are indistinguishable from the Democrat weasels.

  Win, lose or draw, I want a dog that will fight.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Mark@Sea