Questioning common core

[Guest PapaB]

Please provide the exact and factual common code standards that require what you are suggesting. 

 

I'll help you out...., here is the complete curriculum so that you can research it. 

 

http://www.tncurriculumcenter.org/common_core

 

I have read the entire common core and there isn't anything in it that does what you are accusing. 

 

And BTW - - - Common Core was developed by the states, Not the Feds.   

You've misinterpreted what I said. I did not say those standards have been implemented already, I said "The feds have been trying to get "tolerance" training into schools and now they can." Not "they have" but "they can". Before you can say either of us is right or wrong we'll have to wait to see what happens over the next couple of years. Education, imho, should be locally controlled with state guidance. The DoE is trying to change that.

 

Common core was developed for the National Governors Association and is now coming under the control of the feds. Claiming it was developed "by the States" makes it sound like a locally grown initiative which it never was. A large part was developed by private companies, not the local school boards that should be in charge.

 

As a note, I'm talking about the common core standards, not the Tennessee curriculum which you linked. Let's be sure we're on the same page.

Edited September 24, 2013 by PapaB

[Luke E.]

Please provide the exact and factual common code standards that require what you are suggesting.

I'll help you out...., here is the complete curriculum so that you can research it.

http://www.tncurriculumcenter.org/common_core

I have read the entire common core and there isn't anything in it that does what you are accusing.

And BTW - - - Common Core was developed by the states, Not the Feds.

I think you're missing the point, I'm not and I don't know that anyone else is, saying that there is anything within the curriculum that is inherently bad.... Yet.. What I am saying is it is attempting to make sure that every school curriculum is aligned with a certain standard (that's not bad now). I am also saying that we better watch out because it's going to be a hell of a lot easier for them to start steering the curriculum in whatever way they want to go once everyone is on the same curriculum vs. them trying to steer it with many many different curriculums that we have now.
They have even added in and promoted that there would now be a whole section devoted to learning about the constitution and bill of right etc.....this throws up a bit of a red flag to me because they haven't given a rip about teaching this to children in sometime.
Again, I am saying that there is nothing wrong with the actual curriculum as it is written right now be you can bet your happy @$$ that they reserve the right to change it in the future.
I don't care what Phil Valentine says, this smells of something that will bite not today but further down the road. Look outside the curriculum and look at the big long term picture, ask yourself why they chose to approach it this way rather than just changing the questions on major standardized tests to include areas that they thought need improvements.

[Worriedman]

I keep waiting for the day they try to pass a law stating that kids must graduate from a Common Core school to be admitted into a state funded college or university.  You know the end goal is to eliminate home schooling and private Christian schools that aren't pushing the government agenda.  

 

They have an answer for that already, ACT and SAT will be CC compliant, home schooled students will be at a severe disadvantage and unable to score high enough to attend college or university.  If they can not quote the Global Warming Mantra ala Al Gore, or butcher the Second Amendment they will not have the "right" answers.

 

There is a drive to provide every student with a laptop or i pad, books are going the way of the dinosaur, parents will no longer be able to look at the curriculum, unless they do every lesson at night after the students get home, (if they allow it to be replicated) it is all going to electronic based provision to lesson the chance that parents get to "look" at the data supplied.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Worriedman

[runco]

Somehow I missed this thread a few months ago.  Probably thought it was related to Remington Core Lokt or something. 

 

I must have been under a rock, and I am just now learning about this curriculum.  How the states are being financially led to adopt this federally pushing curriculum, a play from the Federal Highway Administration playbook on how to control the states through federal funding or no federal funding

 

What I am hearing in my circle (not reading yet, that is why I want to get involved) is actually what has already been posted by LukeE about:

 

Their main objective is to get ALL schools running the same curriculum, the very curriculum that they have control of, mark my words, the day they have everyone on the same page will be the day they start cramming the curriculum full of anti god, gay and lesbian and islamist BS.

 

If you have children or grandchildren in school, I recommend you learn all there is to know about Common Core, like I am.   However, if you have no problem with society today, just sit back and enjoy the ride!   

Edited November 10, 2013 by Runco

[Randall53]

Anyone that fails to see the ongoing push by Washington to take control of all aspects of our lives from cradle to grave is blind as a bat.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Somehow or another, I doubt getting Common core up and running will increase our kids grades comparable to other countries

efforts and successes. It doesn't have much to do with getting our kids into the higher realms of math, science and furthering

their intelligence for a successful career in much of anything past basketweaving.

[1gewehr]

The content of the CCC today is irrelevant.  What is important is that everyone will be required to teach the same curriculum.  And the folks who determine that curriculum will have immense power.  Does anyone seriously doubt that over time, that curriculum will shift to the Socialist mantra?

 

As for me, whenever I hear that ANYTHING should be centrally managed, I am against it.  Freedom of choice in anything is always a better course. 

 

These days, I strongly believe that sending your child to a government school is a form of child abuse.

[Luke E.]

Hitler said something to the tune of "give me the loyalty of the children and I can take over in ten years"
Most people make the mistake of thinking that bad people are idiots because in their mind they all fall into the category of broke thug. If you study the actions of all the major mass murderers such as hitler you will find that they are all far from idiots, in fact most of them have been brilliant men that have mastered the art of deception and manipulation. I think that we are being shown their hand and we (collectively) are choosing to stick our heads in the sand and say "oh that could never happen in America". We are no different that any other country besides our constitution and the fact that for the most part we don't worship a murderous false god. I think we are seeing both of those being eroded to the point that they won't be able to save us much longer. They are getting rid of us the same way you eat an elephant, one bite at a time.

[East_TN_Patriot]

I'm not a fan of common core, but it appears the guy did not follow the protocol established for speaking.  It's not the question that got him in trouble, it was hogging the microphone.  This is no different than the "Don't taze me bro!" guy at the University of Florida a few years ago.  Go to any public meeting and ignore the rules of order, that's what is going to happen.

 

On a side note, I've not heard an actual alternative to the common core curriculum.  Rather, what people want is essentially a common core curriculum that requires the information they think is important as opposed to someone else.  I'm not hearing anyone say that educators should be trusted to decide what to teach and how to teach it.

Edited November 13, 2013 by East_TN_Patriot

[Guest ThePunisher]

I'm not hearing anyone say that educators should be trusted to decide what to teach and how to teach it.

That might be due to the fact that today MOST public school educators are union indoctrinated, democratic liberals that are dedicated to teach a revisionist socialism curriculum to kids from pre-school to high school, and that government will take care of them from cradle to grave, and that they can achieve the American dream only with help from the government. Started as far back at least to Johnson's Great Society. Edited November 13, 2013 by ThePunisher

[Luke E.]

 

On a side note, I've not heard an actual alternative to the common core curriculum.  Rather, what people want is essentially a common core curriculum that requires the information they think is important as opposed to someone else.  I'm not hearing anyone say that educators should be trusted to decide what to teach and how to teach it.

 

 Well I think that's due in part to the fact that we have let this go to far and i'm not just talking about since the CCC push started. My grandparents were both educators from college to retirement and filled every role from classroom teacher to principal and everywhere in between as well as my grandfather being on the school board and they don't even recognize whats going on now. We've allowed even our small conservative town's schools to be infiltrated by liberal/socialist teachers so it's not as easy as saying 'whoa now, lets just let the educators run the show" because they are a huge part of the problem. That leaves concerned parents and citizens to try to try and get something done and that's not going to be easy because we can fuss all we want but that accomplishes nothing until we get the scuzzy teachers and politicians out of the way and good ones in place. See if we had put the brakes on this crap a long time ago it would have been easier but we've let it fester and the infection has reached the bones and it's going to take a hardcore dose of antibiotics to cure it.. I don't mean to be pessimistic but I don't see this being stopped much less good changes being made until being fed up and pissed off becomes a lot more wide spread than it is.