Finally drank the kool aid

[jcoosi]

Went and paid for 3 suppressors and trust today. So maybe this time next year I can have then in possession. But in these current times who the h#ll knows.

 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Congrats. That's like going to Tunica pre-drunk. :D

[Dolomite_supafly]

22, 9mm and 308?

[Fourtyfive]

Yes , the wait is Hell ! Edited September 21, 2013 by Threeeighty

[jcoosi]

22, 223 and 30 cal. I know I could have bought a thread adapter to run the 30 cal on a 223 but at this current time I only have on threaded 308. So I did not want to constantly swap stuff around.

[JohnC]

Might want to look in to the Obama executive orders recently passed. Can't recall the specifics, but he signed an executive order dealing with corporate gun trusts.

It is the reason I have held off getting a trust. I want to see what's going to happen before I waste the time and money.

Via google:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/29/obama-announces-new-gun-control-measures-targets-military-surplus-imports/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/29/obama-announces-more-executive-actions-on-guns/ Edited September 21, 2013 by JohnC

[smopoim86]

It was an executive action, not an executive order. There's quiet a difference. It was a list of recommended new rules for the NFA. If they were adopted, they would still be up for public review for a period of 90 days before going into affect. 

 

 

Might want to look in to the Obama executive orders recently passed. Can't recall the specifics, but he signed an executive order dealing with corporate gun trusts.

It is the reason I have held off getting a trust. I want to see what's going to happen before I waste the time and money.

Via google:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/29/obama-announces-new-gun-control-measures-targets-military-surplus-imports/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/29/obama-announces-more-executive-actions-on-guns/

[jcoosi]

That was the exact reason I went ahead and done it. Trying to get ball rolling before something else changes.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

It was an executive action, not an executive order. There's quiet a difference. It was a list of recommended new rules for the NFA. If they were adopted, they would still be up for public review for a period of 90 days before going into affect. 

I think the names are interchangeable. Neither are actual force of law, but people just put up with it because we are a bunch

of wimps. EO's and "actions" are not law. He has to have a piece of passed legislation to do anything like that.

[smopoim86]

I think the names are interchangeable. Neither are actual force of law, but people just put up with it because we are a bunch
of wimps. EO's and "actions" are not law. He has to have a piece of passed legislation to do anything like that.

I don't believe they are interchangeable. You are correct in saying neither are law.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Obama, as with any US President, has the use of Executive Orders, to manage government. That is the intent the

Founders had in mind, and they never had any design on anything known as Executive Actions. That term is

exclusively from Obama, and has no weight of law. By managing government, he is supposed to use them to make

changes in procedure within the branches he manages. More like managing who does what, but not making law.

 

Executive actions are simply a play on words from the narcissist. They have no meaning, otherwise, other than the

Executive Order. If they are not interchangeable, it just means nothing and doesn't matter.

[JohnC]

I asked our local lawyer on the forum in PM and he said:

If the Regs become effective as currently written, yes, everyone will have to get the CLEO signature. I have a feeling there will be many comments during the comment period against CLEO signature, but who knows if that will change the Regs.

[jcoosi]

So what are they gonna do kick everyone out of their waiting period if its already in process if/when regulations change. Or will it be from this day forward if regs pass.

[JohnC]

So what are they gonna do kick everyone out of their waiting period if its already in process if/when regulations change. Or will it be from this day forward if regs pass.

Don't know. That might be a question for Chip, a local politician, or the BATF.

[LawEnforcementSalesTN]

If you wish, here's a link to the proposed changes..... you can also place your comments - (look on right side of page).

 

If you have a constructive comment, by all means place it!! ... no BS stuff please as this will just hurt the cause.  May not make any difference but you can at least voice your opinion.

 

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ATF-2013-0001-0001

 

As far as what this will do to the pipeline if it goes effective, NO one can tell you that right now.. even the BATF.  We're just going to have to ride it out.  I have had a slew of folks, thinking they'll be grandfathered in, buying stuff on trusts these last few weeks .... possibly ... but it would not shock me either if they threw these all back and requested the additional artifacts.   Keep in mind, it's taking months now for forms to even go pending.

 

I'm telling folks to 'assume' the worse and that this will become the new norm... understand though even if, trusts will STILL be valuable tools for multi-ownership, probate streamlining, etc...  If you're thinking about getting one just be sure you're ok with the possibility they may do nothing for you in regards to signoff, prints and photos and base your decision on the other fruits they afford. 

 

jcoosi, what cans did you get?  I know it seems strange but I bet you'll enjoy the 22 can the most... It will give you the biggest WOW factor.... I STILL, after all these years, prefer shooting 22s suppressed.  The other cans will be tools you find useful and enjoyable but that 22 is going to be the one you show off the most to others ;o)

 

Welcome to the dark side!  Forever will it be your destiny!

Edited September 21, 2013 by LawEnforcementSalesTN

[scoutfsu]

If you wish, here's a link to the proposed changes..... you can also place your comments - (look on right side of page).

 

If you have a constructive comment, by all means place it!! ... no BS stuff please as this will just hurt the cause.  May not make any difference but you can at least voice your opinion.

 

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ATF-2013-0001-0001

 

 

 

 

Clear, concise, articulate statements are what we need.

 

Great post regarding trusts LESTN

[jcoosi]

Well if I have to end up doing a bg check and the rest then so be it. It is what it is. They are thunder beast cans to answer your question.

[JohnC]

Well if I have to end up doing a bg check and the rest then so be it. It is what it is. They are thunder beast cans to answer your question.

Please comment to the BATF on this EO, though. Don't just accept it.

[jcoosi]

Oh I will but either way we law abiding subjects are held over the barrel per say

[Dolomite_supafly]

I seen a document on a study where the ATF was estimating the cost of fingerprinting and CLEO requirements for all current, not future, trusts. That tells me that it will be retroactive in that current trustees will have to submit fingerprints and CLEO certification.

If anyone is interested I will try to find it again. It is a PDF.