Starbucks caves

[tnguy]

Didn't say it was any good, just that they had it.  We went there once and honestly I think it was lower quality than golden corral.

 

 

That's for sure. There's usually a few good things at GC. 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The provocation is what liberals do to demean others, which is something I really do hate about the phony political

means behind the Democrats of late. They use an all-encompassing approach to demean and provoke the voter

into believing an all out lie. Is that how you wish to win the open carry argument?

[Randall53]

Starbucks probably got tired of the struggle between two completely polarized groups and tried to appease both by the way they approached the problem. Starbucks, more than likely, only wants to sell coffee and scones (well, and some hippy music cds). I think they want your business, rather than being in the middle of a serious debate over the 2nd Amendment.
 
I have no problem with anyone carrying openly, except for the clown who wishes to make a spectacle of himself. There
are ways to not look like you're the cowboy badass of the moment trying to further an agenda. Respect of others is a
good start.

Amen and Amen.....First paragraph gets a long applause....second gets a standing ovation from me.

[mikegideon]

No, is he cute? :D

 

Adorable

[mikegideon]

Y'all head on over to the fart thread for a little while and lighten up  :rofl:

[Guest 6.8 AR]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Oh my! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DaveS]

When was TN ever a conceal only state? My understanding was that when the permits came into issue, they started out as a carry permit, not a CC permit.

And how much have you OC'ed since getting your permit? I have a decent amount getting my permit 5 years ago (in west knox, state and national parks), but the looks I have gotten when I do OC have 95% of the time been good. I have gotten maybe two odd looks and plenty of questions that were positive. And kids don't really get scared by them. I've heard probably 5 kids when they saw my gun say "cool!" You are living in this fictional world that if you don't own a gun or not used to them, you hate guns. Most people I run into are indifferent to open towards guns (more than I would have ever thought.) The battle is not about getting these people to carry, but to understand that those who do chose to arm themselves are not evil or crazy. It is a winnable battle, but it's not if you tell yourself it's not. We are winning the legal battle in many ways, but it's now time to focus on the heart battle.

 

Because of those crimes, this is the very time we have to fight and do damage control. If you sit back and try to keep quiet, you are doing more harm than good. The media in this country doesn't let these things blow over. The Knoxville News Sentential was still doing pieces on Newton this summer and not pieces stirred on by other shootings. They would take the tinniest thing that came out about the shooting and make an entire piece from it. They want to keep it in the news because that's how these people fight. Come into modern times and learn how these people fight. We can take these incidents as a good time to step up and say, "hey, mass shootings aren't that common, they are just hyped up in the media and AR-15 are very common guns and have many useful purposes." I know you want to play nice, but the other side doesn't play nice as you can see how they hype with great joy the death of innocent people. 

I got my permit about 2 years after they came out if it matters. I only OC when hunting or fishing. I don't OC for all the reasons I've stated, plus it's no one's damn business that I'm packing. Bad guy won't even know until he has too. I'm not an attention seeker. To each his own. But, if my memory serves me right, Tennessee called the permits "Concealed Weapons Permit" or something like that.

 

DaveS

Edited September 19, 2013 by DaveS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I told him he was too young to fart, with that pic. I can't go back there. Smelly!

[Erik88]

You have no idea. Have you seen Erik in his Gay Cabelero outfit?  :rofl:

 

Now now Mike...I've tried not to judge you..  :cool:

 

[TripleDigitRide]

Some of you have more money than you'll be able to take with you, so why not open a Startbucks-like establishment where only gun huggers are allowed?

[G27]

Since you guys are hell bent on blaming open carry why are not not lobbying to have the law changed to concealed only? 

 

If this was about open carry Starbucks would have asked that we only carry concealed. They could have simply banned open carry.

Because the issue revolves around idiots being inappropriate, not open carrying, per se...

 

Are you being purposefully obtuse or do you really not understand the difference? That's not a rhetorical question, I'd honestly like to know.

[G27]

Why is everyone trying to split hairs on this? Saying they don't want guns in the store is no different than posting signs. Both send the same message.

So ask yourself why a corporation that made it very clear they wanted to avoid being involved in the issue made this change?

It's because the open carry dickweeds were too stupid to hear what Starbucks has been saying - THEY ONLY WANT TO SELL COFFEE.

You're focusing on the fact it was OC folks who did this - and it was - but I'm (we're) not blaming all OC people, just the dim-witted ones who thought SB was a good place to promote the issue. Edited September 19, 2013 by crimsonaudio

[Guest ThePunisher]

The second amendment doesn't apply to a business, just like the first amendment doesn't apply here on the forum. If the mods decide to delete something, don't waste your breath on arguing how it violates your constitutional rights because they don't really exist here; just as they don't exist inside of Starbucks.

Again, everyone in America whether it be an individual or a business entity has an equal and enormous stake in preserving all of the Constitutional rights that we all enjoy. But we now realize that not just the 2nd A is under attack by gun grabbing liberals but our whole Constitution is being trampled upon by this administration, the liberal democrats and rhino republicans. If we lose one freedom, it won't long before we lose another freedom.

Every business has the right to do what they want and be ignorant everyday of the year, but if their business decisions has an impact on infringing any of the Constitutional freedoms to any particular group, then I believe they are traveling down a slippery slope that may possibly impact their business freedoms later on. Absolutely, erasing the 2nd A from the Bill of Rights impacts the 1st A and the other amendments of the Bill of Rights. Without the 2nd A, I will guarantee you that it won't long before you will live under the heavy hand of communist government tyranny. We've already witnessed the mechanisms of a government leviathan disguised as affordable health care smothering and infringing on our health care rights, decisions, and privacy with costs becoming unaffordable.

A business only concerned about the almighty dollar and not the Constitutional freedoms that people enjoy, will one day realize they've lost their freedom to remain entrepreneurs in our former capitalistic society. Oh btw, we (gun owners) are already considered anarchist by the Libtards whether we OC or CC. Edited September 19, 2013 by ThePunisher

[Erik88]

Because the issue revolves around idiots being inappropriate, not open carrying, per se...

 

Are you being purposefully obtuse or do you really not understand the difference? That's not a rhetorical question, I'd honestly like to know.

 

I understand the issue fully Brad. I'm just responding to everyone in this thread who has bitched about open carry when that's only part of the issue here.

 

As I said, the timing of this statement coming right after the events in DC leads me to believe this is more about guns in general than it is people only carrying in their stores. The fact that yourself and many others automatically starting complaining about the OC crowd is somewhat humorous. It would have made more sense to acknowledge that there were probably a variety of factors that lead to this decision. Rather than talk through those issues all I saw was a knee jerk reaction from everyone here.

 

What I'm trying to say is that throwing your hands up and claiming it's all the open carry crowd's fault is a very simplistic way of looking at this. If this was ONLY about open carry they would have asked everyone to conceal from now on.

 

If I haven't made myself clear by now I give up.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

But it shouldn't be completely piled on Starbucks back. They have been focused on with this issue entirely too much.

 

One battle at a time. You are supposed to win hearts and minds without making fools of yourself in the process.

[Oh Shoot]

Well done...

 

http://practicaltacticalpodcast.com/starbucks/

 

That sums up my take on it all quite well.  I can perfectly empathize with Starbucks' quandary on the issue. They never wanted to be a focus for gun rights activists or gun grabbers.

 

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I understand the issue fully Brad. I'm just responding to everyone in this thread who has bitched about open carry when that's only part of the issue here.

 

As I said, the timing of this statement coming right after the events in DC leads me to believe this is more about guns in general than it is people only carrying in their stores. The fact that yourself and many others automatically starting complaining about the OC crowd is somewhat humorous. It would have made more sense to acknowledge that there were probably a variety of factors that lead to this decision. Rather than talk through those issues all I saw was a knee jerk reaction from everyone here.

 

What I'm trying to say is that throwing your hands up and claiming it's all the open carry crowd's fault is a very simplistic way of looking at this. If this was ONLY about open carry they would have asked everyone to conceal from now on.

 

If I haven't made myself clear by now I give up.

Really? No, don't give up. Try being more openminded about the topic. It wasn't any knee jerk reaction. It was an obvious

show with Starbucks, for one, being in the limelight. And this example wasn't the only one. They have been front and center

in the debate, not that they wanted ever to be involved.

[G27]

What I'm trying to say is that throwing your hands up and claiming it's all the open carry crowd's fault is a very simplistic way of looking at this. If this was ONLY about open carry they would have asked everyone to conceal from now on.

*sigh*

It's only about OC because those are the fools who wouldn't let this go. They are the ones who pushed SB's hand in this decision. SB had made ti clear they were happy to sit on the sidelines for this one - a position I respect - yet the Rosa parks wannabes werern't happy leaving well enough alone and just had to force SB's hand in this.

OC isn't the issue, outside of the fact the dillweeds that caused this response were all OCing.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If we are ever to win in the 2nd Amendment debate, we have to be consistent in our approach to the rest of the document,

also. That means we have a lot of work to do.

[Sam1]

A business only concerned about the almighty dollar and not the Constitutional freedoms that people enjoy, will one day realize they've lost their freedom to remain entrepreneurs in our former capitalistic society.

 

If you regulate a business by mandating they abide by all stipulations of the constitution and do not allow them the freedoms to exist as their own entity, you have effectively implemented a socialist environment. 

 

The constitution was not designed to regulate business, it was designed to regulate the government.

[Erik88]

Really? No, don't give up. Try being more openminded about the topic. It wasn't any knee jerk reaction. It was an obvious

show with Starbucks, for one, being in the limelight. And this example wasn't the only one. They have been front and center

in the debate, not that they wanted ever to be involved.

 

 

*sigh*

It's only about OC because those are the fools who wouldn't let this go. They are the ones who pushed SB's hand in this decision. SB had made ti clear they were happy to sit on the sidelines for this one - a position I respect - yet the Rosa parks wannabes werern't happy leaving well enough alone and just had to force SB's hand in this.

OC isn't the issue, outside of the fact the dillweeds that caused this response were all OCing.

 

So that's in then? Open carry and nothing else caused this? I agree a select group of D bags made things much much worse by bringing AR's and shotguns into the store but there were other considerations as well. That I'm sure of.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Well, now, if you wish to go deeper into the political side of the debate, start a new thread and I'll give my opinion there.

How's that, Erik?

[G27]

So that's in then? Open carry and nothing else caused this? I agree a select group of D bags made things much much worse by bringing AR's and shotguns into the store but there were other considerations as well. That I'm sure of.

Were any of them concealed-carrying? I'm guessing it's tough to CC a shotgun or an AR, but I'm not a bright man...

Look, dice however you wish - obviously OC is a hot-buttom for you. Thats fine, we get it - doesn't change the fact that the douche bags who caused this were all OCers. If you somehow feel vilified by that, I can't do anything about that. Unless you were one of the clowns who showed up at SB OCing on one of those dates thinking that buying one cup of coffee and a danish would have some sort of impact aside from scaring the soccer mom who isn't accustomed to see a bunch of armed folks walking around, then you're good to go - OC at will.

If you *were* one of the idiots who thought that this 'show of force' would do anything beneficial, then nothing I can say will begin to register with you...

[SlapChopDonkey]

1) They didn't say you can't carry guns.

2) If you're in Clarksville, Mugsy's coffee is better anyways.

I'm not really seeing what the big deal is.

[Chucktshoes]

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As I said, the timing of this statement coming right after the events in DC leads me to believe this is more about guns in general than it is people only carrying in their stores. The fact that yourself and many others automatically starting complaining about the OC crowd is somewhat humorous. It would have made more sense to acknowledge that there were probably a variety of factors that lead to this decision. Rather than talk through those issues all I saw was a knee jerk reaction from everyone here.
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It is also about a week after 3 cats got themselves arrested for disturbing the peace by carrying rifles at a Starbucks. That like, 2 minutes ago in corporate time. If you want to look for the proverbial camel back breaking straw, I would feel safe placing my bets on that one. DC was just unfortunate timing.