Krauthammer's statement

[bersaguy]

I was watching the Five on fox this evening and they were discussing the shooting yesterday pretty extensively and they were discussing things that might be done to stop crazy people from getting guns. One person said that it has now been proven that back ground checks don't work cause they ran a back ground check on the shooter on Saturday when he purchased the shotgun and it came back clear. Another guy said that there in no way to really stop a person from getting a gun in this country if they want one bad enough unless they do like Australia did and collect all the guns. They asked Krauthammer what he thought about it and his reply was that they could begin trying to collect all the guns in this country and spend the next 100 years and still not get them but they will never try and take the guns because they are well aware of what the consequences would be when they tried and he concluded by saying "so that will never happen in this country."

[TrickyNicky]

I don't know who Krauthammer is but he's right this time anyway.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

[bersaguy]

I don't know who Krauthammer is but he's right this time anyway.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

 

I don't know who Krauthammer is but he's right this time anyway.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

 

He is an independent contributor that is on Fox regularly for interviews. 

[DaveTN]

Won’t happen.

 

I have no doubt that some Federal and State legislators will try every day to introduce bills to take our guns. They may someday limit what we can have; but it won’t be soon. No one is going to confiscate your guns; the American people won’t stand for it. Now, before the “look at Katrina” crowds enters; Katrina was a small isolated incident in a very bad situation. But because of it many states including Tennessee adopted legislation to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

 

[Sam1]

I don't know who Krauthammer is but he's right this time anyway.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

 

He is one of the most scholarly political analysts that you will ever hear from.

[Guest sL1k]

Krauthammer is usually right about a lot of things. You should read his bio he is a pretty impressive individual. Very conservative. The guy became paralized in a diving accident during his first year in med school. Spent 14 months in the hospital but continued his curriculum while he was there and even finished med school.

[bersaguy]

Yea he is paralyzed from his neck down but he is one very smart man for sure and when he speaks what he says you can take to the bank in most every subject. I'm glad fox has him because that is about the only news I watch.

[RED333]

I heard the same thing, Mr Krauthammer IS a good talker, knows what is going on and does not mind speaking what he thinks.

[Oh Shoot]

Krauthammer is usually right about a lot of things. You should read his bio he is a pretty impressive individual. Very conservative. The guy became paralized in a diving accident during his first year in med school. Spent 14 months in the hospital but continued his curriculum while he was there and even finished med school.

 

And was chief of psychiatry at Mass Gen.

 

Yea he is paralyzed from his neck down...

 

Well, not totally. He has at least some hand/arm control, as drives his chair and own car with hand controls.

 

They also have a son, and can't find anywhere that he was adopted, so ...

 

- OS

Edited September 18, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[Guest ThePunisher]

I don't know if they will ever confiscate every gun in America, but I believe there will be legislation or executive order (disorder) that will eventually make ownership of guns illegal. Simply for America to become a member of the One World Order would require the disarming of America. The way people are thinking today (brain dead), and voting for politicians that don't have concern for our constitutional rights and freedoms, or even the best interest of America in mind makes me believe that American exceptionalism may be a thing of the past. Sixty or even thirty years ago, who would ever thought that a Marxist ideology supporting community organizer/politician would ever get elected POTUS? Edited September 18, 2013 by ThePunisher

[bersaguy]

I don't know if they will ever confiscate every gun in America, but I believe there will be legislation or executive order (disorder) that will eventually make ownership of guns illegal. Simply for America to become a member of the One World Order would require the disarming of America. The way people are thinking today (brain dead), and voting for politicians that don't have concern for our constitutional rights and freedoms, or even the best interest of America in mind makes me believe that American exceptionalism may be a thing of the past. Sixty or even thirty years ago, who would ever thought that a Marxist ideology supporting community organizer/politician would ever get elected POTUS?

 

Well there may be an executive order issue but it is going to get very messy when they try to enforce it  because I don't believe that We the People are going to go silently into the night like a bunch of sheep because I for 1 am a sheepdog and not a sheep...........jmho

[Guest 6.8 AR]

He is a very good speaker/political analyst, but he is only human. He has said some things that have had me concerned,

before, just not this. I like to hear what he has to say because he is very articulate in his position, whether right or wrong,

compared to some of the other right sided journalists/commentators.

 

I'm not going to go out on a limb and say he is correct on this one, either, because it is a liberal wet dream to confiscate

firearms. Just like Australia and England under liberal "rule". Even some RINO's would let it happen. You know which ones.

[gun sane]

I'll buy what Krauthamer's saying here.  The feds don't have the manpower--or courage--to go on a gun-hunting expedition.  They'll pass a law banning their sale or possession and give the people 30 days to hand them over.  Anyone caught with one after that suffers the penalty.

[Oh Shoot]

I'll buy what Krauthamer's saying here.  The feds don't have the manpower--or courage--to go on a gun-hunting expedition.  They'll pass a law banning their sale or possession and give the people 30 days to hand them over.  Anyone caught with one after that suffers the penalty.

 

They'll be perfectly satisfied with taking them away over two generations. Depending on ones age now, the "correctly taught" grandchildren or great grandchildren will be the ones turning the last of them in when they  find them in the attic.

 

- OS

Edited September 18, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Well, depending on your perspective, and, in some circles, whether or not you wear tinfoil :D , you have to understand

the infrastructure that is being built to do just what you mentioned: A National Police Force. Not a joke. During his first

campaign, Obama proposed it, and it has never left his mind, but, instead, the consolidation of all federal policing

institutions under one umbrella is but one huge step. That is not tinfoil, BTW. There is a persistant trend that's been

formed over the years which we should have put a stop to, long ago, but have just let it grow. It is Leviathan in size,

yet no one seems to see it. What do they call it?  Homeland Security.

 

The name even smells.

 

I know, Bush and the Patriot Act started it, but Obama is bringing it to new heights.

Edited September 18, 2013 by 6.8 AR

[bersaguy]

quote     "I know, Bush and the Patriot Act started it, but Obama is bringing it to new heights."   Yep, he is trying to make it into his own private army and working hard at it. By arming Social Security, EPA and other Government agencies when and if he thinks the time is right he will bring them all in under the Homeland Security umbrella and create his army. The only thing he has to fear is not fear itself. He has to fear how many will actually follow him and how many will walk away and side with the people. He has an even bigger issue with the military. His litmus tests have already proven that with the high ranking members of the military he has already replaced because they failed his test. With his ratings going down hill in a land slide from the people and he is not sure of anything right now. Even a bunch of his own party that has been thick with him has began to move away from him on the Health care issues and began to side with the republicans on many of the issues with it..........jmho

[tnguy]

Yea he is paralyzed from his neck down but he is one very smart man for sure and when he speaks what he says you can take to the bank in most every subject. I'm glad fox has him because that is about the only news I watch.

 

Wow, I always thought there was something a little odd about the way he looked (mostly his face) but I didn't realise the extent. Kudos to him for sure.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

He's worthy of respect. The kind of hurdles he has overcome shows a lot. Like I said earlier, I pay attention to what he

says, whether I agree with him or not. He is a good sounding board to what is going on inside the beltway. More so than

the so-called beltway pundits.

[TMF]

He's right.  The concept of confiscation is logistically impossible.  There is so much difference between us and the Aussies, both in terms of our DNA as a country and the number of firearms in civilian hands.  Yeah, they could knock out the bulk of them with voluntary turn ins, but that in it of itself is such a logistical feat that they would have to focus all law enforcement efforts on it for quite a while.  Now getting into the millions of firearms that will never be turned over voluntarily and will be used against the gov by some of those who have been pushed over their "red line" with confiscation, the gov would have no choice but to take more drastic measures of enforcement, which, once again, they aren't logistically capable of doing.  Not in a hundred years.

[npgunner]

They'll be perfectly satisfied with taking them away over two generations. Depending on ones age now, the "correctly taught" grandchildren or great grandchildren will be the ones turning the last of them in when they find them in the attic.

- OS

That's the liberal way. Slow and steady (see the frog analogy from another thread). This is how they've accomplished so many other agendas (i.e. societal acceptance of abortion, homosexuality, etc.). They'll do the same with guns. Change the mind of the children, and as OS said, they'll turn them all in when you and I are dead.

[TMF]

That's the liberal way. Slow and steady (see the frog analogy from another thread). This is how they've accomplished so many other agendas (i.e. societal acceptance of abortion, homosexuality, etc.). They'll do the same with guns. Change the mind of the children, and as OS said, they'll turn them all in when you and I are dead.

 

Keep in mind that there is still a significant percentage of this country that believe abortion and homosexuality is a sin.  I don't see how parents raising their children would raise them any differently.  Yes, society accepts certain things as a whole, but individually we really don't.  I mean, acceptance of homos hasn't made any of us gay or gay people more gay.  It just made it okay to be out of the closet.  Legalizing abortion didn't change folks' opinions on the moral implications of murdering a baby, especially when people have been doing back alley abortions since the days of Roman brothels.

 

The difference in firearms legislation is they are forcing something on you, as opposed to simply changing the social norms of gun ownership.  When abortion was legalized it meant nothing for people who consider it evil.  When gays started flamboyantly flying out of the closet it didn't make anyone suck a ####.  However, confiscation requires action.  Actions result in reactions.  There will always be a percentage of our population who will use their firearms in self defense if the gov comes to take them.  That will be true 100 years from now.

[DaveS]

I don't think a gun take away will ever happen. I see a couple of things that may happen though: 1) Make it unlawful to own or possess certain types of firearms  2) Ranges ban the use of certain firearms  3) A mental evaluation report in conjunction with a background check before you can buy a gun. 4) Mag capacity for ALL firearms dropped to 3 rounds.

 

I doubt much of this will happen, but I see sad times coming for our country!

 

Pray for our future folks!

 

DaveS

[Jonnin]

Yea he is paralyzed from his neck down but he is one very smart man for sure and when he speaks what he says you can take to the bank in most every subject. I'm glad fox has him because that is about the only news I watch.

 

I had no idea about his disability, and I have read his stuff for years.   He is also a regular writer for the national review online (conservative site). 

He is one person who tells it like it is and is usually right even if you do not like what he has to say.  

 

I dunno if he is correct.  We have already seen some small, local gun collection attempts (Katrina, for example).   The police state zombies will continue to push this issue until the end of time or success.   I think he is correct that if they tried, they would have no luck, but I think he is wrong that it will not eventually be tried. All it takes to do something like this is the willingness to commit political suicide, for example the colorado reps who were recalled went down saying they stand behind their laws and felt it was worth it..... a few zealots is all it takes.  Those laws stand....   what if that had been congress.... ?  Recall or replace em, the laws stand and repealing them is not simple....

 

The problem I have with his statement is the "stop worrying" side of it.  If gun people let down their guard saying "it can't happen" that is the first step toward losing the battle.

Edited September 18, 2013 by Jonnin

[TMF]

The problem I have with his statement is the "stop worrying" side of it. If gun people let down their guard saying "it can't happen" that is the first step toward losing the battle.

Just because I don't think it won't happen doesn't mean I'm not ready in case it does.

[Caster]

I was a machinist for many years....I can promise anyone YOU CANNOT GET RID OF GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY. Ever.

Now, ammunition? Exponentially harder to manufacture from scratch. That will be the angle of gun control advocates. Making brass is a thousand times harder than cobbling up a rudimentary gun.