Wonder why there are no jobs......

[JayC]

Or we could just reduce the size of government and government regulation to make up the difference?  The reason businesses are moving off shore isn't because of the labor cost...  The labor cost in most products is a tiny fraction of the cost, in most cases it's cheaper to do business overseas and ship the products into the country than it is to do business inside the US.

 

And US business taxes are a large chunk of that, you look at some countries that have a 11% tax on business income, and the US has a 35% tax...  There is most of that 20% you're looking for right there.

 

How many of the citizens of this country would be willing to pay 20% or higher more for goods made in the USA versus China, Honduras, Vietnam etc...?  

 

[DaveTN]

Or we could just reduce the size of government and government regulation to make up the difference?  The reason businesses are moving off shore isn't because of the labor cost...  The labor cost in most products is a tiny fraction of the cost, in most cases it's cheaper to do business overseas and ship the products into the country than it is to do business inside the US.
 
And US business taxes are a large chunk of that, you look at some countries that have a 11% tax on business income, and the US has a 35% tax...  There is most of that 20% you're looking for right there.

I can’t believe we agree on something, but you are correct. Health care, OSHA, EPA, 401k’s, workman’s comp, unemployment, etc., etc., are things those overseas workers don’t have. But what do you want to do away with?

Businesses shouldn’t pay taxes and communities that want them there should give them free land.

Of course you realize that government would never cut back. If taxes were removed from business they would be placed on homeowners property taxes.

[JayC]

And where do you think the government is getting all that money for "unsustainable subsidizing"?  I'll give you a hint, they're stealing it from successful businesses and individuals who are having to compete on an international stage :)

 

The government doesn't create wealth they can only redistribute it, so if they're propping up some businesses it's at the expense of others... many of which then relocate offshore because the tax and regulation burden is much lower.

 

Despite your insistence on ridicule, I'm going to be nice and just say I didn't say whatever it was you thought you read.

 

I'll try to say it very simple language so you can maybe understand.

American businesses cannot compete globally without help from the US government.

Many industries are merely getting by with the help of unsustainable subsidizing. This is not news.

 

I mean, I sense that you are not happy with the current administration, and even though I'm agreeing that they are not using sustainable practices, you somehow think it's a joke?

Yes the government is not doing well, but who called for their help? The very same American businesses that couldn't make it without the government padding their earnings. That was a point you seem to have glossed over.

 

American businesses can charge less for their products to be globally competitive only if they make up the price difference in the money they get from the government. That is the problem.

 

Go on and talk about being an American while extrapolating a "let Detroit fail" attitude to "let America fail"

 

[JayC]

Yeah I'm somewhat shocked as well ;)

 

You hit the nail on the head, government refuses to cut back, and we won't make them, and that is the deadly cycle....

 

I'm going to toss out some radical ideas here, so hold on hopefully you're still with me when I'm done ;)

 

Health Care costs so much money because of the government...  The government is inflating costs above what the market can handle because it's giving free health care to old people and poor people, and the rest of us are having to cover the difference...  And we're paying for it in 2 ways, the first through direct taxes, and the second by the government paying less than what the open market wants for the cost of a procedure, which is why  our healthcare costs are increased even more.  How do we fix this?  No idea, people just aren't willing to give up their entitlements, and they're happy to bankrupt their kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids futures to pay for it.

 

OSHA at best did nothing to protect workers, and most likely caused more workers to be hurt and killed than would have otherwise...  Look at the charts on worker deaths before and after OSHA came into being...  OSHA is a perfect example of government regulation being used to provide a protection against start up companies by well established companies.

 

I'd be all for doing away with workmans comp and unemployment insurance...  let me pay somebody a honest wage and they can buy those products if they choose to...  I've only been covered by either of those programs for 7 years during my entire adult life...  otherwise I've been forced to cover myself against those risks.  

 

What people fail to realize is that the government is taking 50% of your pay before you even see your paycheck...  they're doing this with government regulation and hidden costs to employers...  then once you get your paycheck, the vast majority end up paying nearly 50% of that to the government as well...  most people are living off of 25-30% of what they're worth in an open marketplace.

 

I just incorporated my first overseas company this year, and trust me it was more expensive to setup than here in the states...  The reason, massive savings from legally avoiding regulations...  it has nothing to do with employees costs, those are about the same, and everything to do with taxes and stupid regulations.

 

I can’t believe we agree on something, but you are correct. Health care, OSHA, EPA, 401k’s, workman’s comp, unemployment, etc., etc., are things those overseas workers don’t have. But what do you want to do away with?

Businesses shouldn’t pay taxes and communities that want them there should give them free land.

Of course you realize that government would never cut back. If taxes were removed from business they would be placed on homeowners property taxes.

 

[Randall53]

I can’t believe we agree on something, but you are correct. Health care, OSHA, EPA, 401k’s, workman’s comp, unemployment, etc., etc., are things those overseas workers don’t have. But what do you want to do away with?

Businesses shouldn’t pay taxes and communities that want them there should give them free land.

Of course you realize that government would never cut back. If taxes were removed from business they would be placed on homeowners property taxes.

 

It's obvious from the deficit that even with all of the taxation being levied on everything and everybody, government spending is taking us to the verge of economic collapse. The sad part is, a large part of the money the government takes they give to foreign countries (even those that hate our guts) by the boat load, while they sit up there knowing the infrastructure of this country from roads and bridges, the power grid, to the sewers of our cities is outdated and "rusting" away.

 

If our leaders would stop giving our tax dollars away and use it to begin to rebuild and/or repair this infrastructure thus creating millions of jobs for people that would begin a chain reaction of growth in many areas. When people have jobs they buy things and pay taxes that would begin a positive cycle in this country. We could actually begin to claw our way out of this mess.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Randall53

[DaveTN]

It's obvious from the deficit that even with all of the taxation being levied on everything and everybody, government spending is taking us to the verge of economic collapse. The sad part is, a large part of the money the government takes they give to foreign countries (even those that hate our guts) by the boat load, while they sit up there knowing the infrastructure of this country from roads and bridges, the power grid, to the sewers of our cities is outdated and "rusting" away.

 

If our leaders would stop giving our tax dollars away and use it to begin to rebuild and/or repair this infrastructure thus creating millions of jobs for people that would begin a chain reaction of growth in many areas. When people have jobs they buy things and pay taxes that would begin a positive cycle in this country. We could actually begin to claw our way out of this mess.

It requires protectionism; some here think that’s a bad word.

[Guest TresOsos]

We have the best government that the Banksters, Corporate Oligarchy and Federal Reserve printing presses can buy.

Edited September 2, 2013 by TresOsos

[sigmtnman]

...

 

You think exporting sweatshop jobs is bad? Think about how America has to import educated foreigners to work tech jobs.

 

American labor is too proud for menial jobs, and too uneducated for tech jobs. That's why there is this impression that there are no jobs. It's an impression because fleshed out, it would say "there are no jobs that can make use of America's mediocre workers while meeting their entitlement attitude in terms of expected pay"

...

 

This is partial BS. 

 

There are plenty of tech workers available.  Just not at the rock bottom prices companies want.  I see the same jobs sit open for a year at a time looking for someone with experience in every facet of IT, but only want to pay 1/2 the going rate.

 

The importing of tech labor is for no other reason than to debase the value of our labor.

 

It's the entitlement attitude, instant gotta have everything the jonses have without saving for it, combined with wal mart mentality.

 

We get what we deserve in that respect.  You want the lowest prices on everything?  It has to come from somewhere with low wage labor.

 

On another note, if everyone was well educated the market would be flooded with labor and that would debase labor rates as well.  Next time you hear about "such and such industry will need X# of workers in 5 years" that is a direct attack on that industries labor force.  Lots of people go to school and learn it, then graduate to a mass of other graduates in the same field fighting for the same jobs.

[Randall53]

It requires protectionism; some here think that’s a bad word.

 

Maybe....but it could head us back on the road to economic recovery. In addition to putting thousands to work in the field, these projects would require a ton of equipment and materials made by manufacturers which would boost that sector of jobs to boot. How would that be a bad thing?

[sigmtnman]

You can find them, but not in brick and mortar stores....

 

Actually you can find them in brick and mortar stores, but you will most likely choke on the prices.  You want American made clothes, drop by Bruce Baird and CO downtown Chattanooga. 

Edited September 2, 2013 by sigmtnman

[DaveTN]

Maybe....but it could head us back on the road to economic recovery. In addition to putting thousands to work in the field, these projects would require a ton of equipment and materials made by manufacturers which would boost that sector of jobs to boot. How would that be a bad thing?

It wouldn’t be a bad thing. The economy would get better; manufacturer’s here would be able to employ more people; people could buy stuff made here; unemployment rates would drop, crime rates would drop, housing market would pick back up, it would be a good thing.

[ted]

One word. ( GREED )

[bersaguy]

How many of the citizens of this country would be willing to pay 20% or higher more for goods made in the USA versus China, Honduras, Vietnam etc...?  

 

How many of the citizens of this country would be willing to pay 20% or higher more for goods made in the USA versus China, Honduras, Vietnam etc...?  

 

Me for 1...........I would pay 20% more for true Made in American Products.

[JayC]

It's only a good thing if you think central planners in Washington, DC know how to run your business better than you do.  We've seen that movie and it didn't end well, the USSR.

 

I'd suggest you read up on the Luddite movement of the early 1800's.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

 

We'd be better off getting government out of the mix than encouraging them to pick and choose winners and losers even more.

 

Maybe....but it could head us back on the road to economic recovery. In addition to putting thousands to work in the field, these projects would require a ton of equipment and materials made by manufacturers which would boost that sector of jobs to boot. How would that be a bad thing?

 

[Guest ThePunisher]

Me for 1...........I would pay 20% more for true Made in American Products.

But, you would be restricted on how much you would buy.

[TripleDigitRide]

The .gov needs to open sweat shops right here in the U.S. They would be great places for those on welfare who claim they can't find work.

Edited September 2, 2013 by TripleDigitRide

[JayC]

Or how about opening up soup kitchens for those on food stamps?  I can't imagine it would cost anymore money and it's got to cut into the waste, fraud and abuse of the current system.

 

I don't understand why we want to make it so easy for people to be on the government dole.

 

The .gov needs to open sweat shops right here in the U,S, They would be great places for those on welfare who claim they can't find work.

[Guest ThePunisher]

The .gov needs to open sweat shops right here in the U,S, They would be great places for those on welfare who claim they can't find work.

And the illegal immigrants.

[Randall53]

It's only a good thing if you think central planners in Washington, DC know how to run your business better than you do.  We've seen that movie and it didn't end well, the USSR.

 

I'd suggest you read up on the Luddite movement of the early 1800's.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

 

We'd be better off getting government out of the mix than encouraging them to pick and choose winners and losers even more.

 

I don't have to.....I can just look at the successful history of TVA.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Another perspective is that these type of jobs are the jobs that no one in America wants, and the standard of living we enjoy here is in large part on the backs of those overseas workers.

Ah yes. First in the colonial days, textiles were manufactured in England. Then when the brits went on to better things, textiles were manufactured in USA in the North. When the yankees got too good for the work, small-town bumpkins in the south began manufacturing textiles.

When even ignorant hilbillies became too advanced to manufacture cloth, the jobs were exported to third world nations. This allowed small town but now big-brained rednecks to persue more edifying and creative endeavors such as flipping burgers and stocking walmarts.

In the future, when even Borneo and Somalia have grown too advanced to manufacture clothing, then chimps will have to manufacture the textiles.

When chimps finally find more advanced work such as investment speculation, bean counting, psychotherapy, lawyering, insurance and software development-- At that point the textile jobs will first fall to raccoons, and then later to possums. Eventually all textile mills will be chipmunk-only shops.

After chipmunks become too advanced for the work, then if the octopi won't work the mills-- We may eventually be forced to sell insurance, prosecute lawsuits, sell real estate, flip burgers or audit tax returns in the nude!!!

[bersaguy]

But, you would be restricted on how much you would buy.

 

I'm already restricted as to what I can buy because finding American made products restricts me because I can't find that many..................... :stunned:  :stunned:  :stunned: 

[Guest ThePunisher]

Ah yes. First in the colonial days, textiles were manufactured in England. Then when the brits went on to better things, textiles were manufactured in USA in the North. When the yankees got too good for the work, small-town bumpkins in the south began manufacturing textiles.
When even ignorant hilbillies became too advanced to manufacture cloth, the jobs were exported to third world nations. This allowed small town but now big-brained rednecks to persue more edifying and creative endeavors such as flipping burgers and stocking walmarts.
In the future, when even Borneo and Somalia have grown too advanced to manufacture clothing, then chimps will have to manufacture the textiles.
When chimps finally find more advanced work such as investment speculation, bean counting, psychotherapy, lawyering, insurance and software development-- At that point the textile jobs will first fall to raccoons, and then later to possums. Eventually all textile mills will be chipmunk-only shops.
After chipmunks become too advanced for the work, then if the octopi won't work the mills-- We may eventually be forced to sell insurance, prosecute lawsuits, sell real estate, flip burgers or audit tax returns in the nude!!!

Didn't you know everything is going to made and run by robots. No need for human labor at all. All us humans can just sit back and drink Margaritas made by robots.

[DaveTN]

I'm already restricted as to what I can buy because finding American made products restricts me because I can't find that many..................... :stunned:  :stunned:  :stunned:

I can still buy American made guns… Everything I own is American with the exception of a Mosin that was given to me. No need to send my money overseas when I don’t have, I hate it when the government does that.

I do hate it that no matter how much money you spend some items are gone. I can’t buy a Digital camera or a TV made here.

[bersaguy]

I was thrilled last month when I heard on the news that Microsoft and Apple were moving back to the states and closing down almost all of shore plants. I always say someone has to make that first step. They did and I hope others follow soon..........JMHO

[TMF]

It’s already taxed at 20 times the tax on a gallon of gas and 7 times the tax on a pack of cigarettes.

I know. The only ones keeping distilleries in the black are us raging alcoholics who will pay just about any price. Lucky for them that as the economy goes down alcohol consumption goes up.