Wonder why there are no jobs......

[Guest ThePunisher]

They would probably realize it sooner if they didn't have a big eared douchebag telling them something else.

There you go again talking about King Big Ears.

[TMF]

You must be joking if you think unregulated business in the US could still compete on the global stage.
The idea was pretty simple- you said a certain thing was the problem, so a thought exercise was to imagine the opposite and see if it changes the problem. It doesn't.

Well, the caveat being, it could work if you want America to look like those foreign nations, and drop the standard of living we enjoy.

Do you really believe the government should stop maintaining safe work environments? Would you be happier if you lost a family member due to unregulated dangerous workplaces because you could at least say you live without an over-regulative government?

So the government creates an unsustainable system for domestic production and the solution is to punish imports, thus raising costs to the consumer in order to encourage support for domestic products that are overpriced due to over regulation? Yeah, paying three times the market cost for everything sounds like a great idea that will have no negative impact on our already failing economy and dollar.

Once again, you must be kidding.

[Guest The Itis]

Despite your insistence on ridicule, I'm going to be nice and just say I didn't say whatever it was you thought you read.

 

I'll try to say it very simple language so you can maybe understand.

American businesses cannot compete globally without help from the US government.

Many industries are merely getting by with the help of unsustainable subsidizing. This is not news.

 

I mean, I sense that you are not happy with the current administration, and even though I'm agreeing that they are not using sustainable practices, you somehow think it's a joke?

Yes the government is not doing well, but who called for their help? The very same American businesses that couldn't make it without the government padding their earnings. That was a point you seem to have glossed over.

 

American businesses can charge less for their products to be globally competitive only if they make up the price difference in the money they get from the government. That is the problem.

 

Go on and talk about being an American while extrapolating a "let Detroit fail" attitude to "let America fail"

[JohnC]

 
For those wanting American made, check this out:
 
http://1791.shop.musictoday.com/
 
You might find stuff USA owned or made here as well:
 
http://marketplace.theblaze.com/

[mikegideon]

Despite your insistence on ridicule, I'm going to be nice and just say I didn't say whatever it was you thought you read.

 

I'll try to say it very simple language so you can maybe understand.

American businesses cannot compete globally without help from the US government.

Many industries are merely getting by with the help of unsustainable subsidizing. This is not news.

 

I mean, I sense that you are not happy with the current administration, and even though I'm agreeing that they are not using sustainable practices, you somehow think it's a joke?

Yes the government is not doing well, but who called for their help? The very same American businesses that couldn't make it without the government padding their earnings. That was a point you seem to have glossed over.

 

American businesses can charge less for their products to be globally competitive only if they make up the price difference in the money they get from the government. That is the problem.

 

Go on and talk about being an American while extrapolating a "let Detroit fail" attitude to "let America fail"

 

:popcorn:  Please continue

[Guest The Itis]

:popcorn:  Please continue

 

My point, in a few more words, was what you said, the problem is the "life owes them" thing. The standard of living was artificially raised with unsustainable practices, and everyone feels what they currently have is what they at the very least deserve.

Cutting back on everyone's standard of living seems not to be an option, though some like TFM think it's as simple as cutting back the government and somehow people will suddenly start be deserving of what they currently mooch.

Frankly his claim is so narrow and simplistic he could be an excellent pundit reading a handout on Fox News.

[TMF]

[quote name="The Itis" post="1025472" timestamp="1378105566"] Despite your insistence on ridicule, I'm going to be nice and just say I didn't say whatever it was you thought you read. I'll try to say it very simple language so you can maybe understand. American businesses cannot compete globally without help from the US government. Many industries are merely getting by with the help of unsustainable subsidizing. This is not news. I mean, I sense that you are not happy with the current administration, and even though I'm agreeing that they are not using sustainable practices, you somehow think it's a joke? Yes the government is not doing well, but who called for their help? The very same American businesses that couldn't make it without the government padding their earnings. That was a point you seem to have glossed over. American businesses can charge less for their products to be globally competitive only if they make up the price difference in the money they get from the government. That is the problem. Go on and talk about being an American while extrapolating a "let Detroit fail" attitude to "let America fail"[/quote] Sweet baby Jesus, the reason US business can't compete globally is because the government punishes them financially and regulatory. They can't produce a product cheaper than other countries because of how expensive we have made it for them to operate; minimum wage, crushing taxes, OSHA, EPA, Obamacare, unemployment, and about 20 other government regulatory agencies that so many businesses have to be in compliance with. The game is rigged and the answer IS NOT MORE GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT!!! It never is the answer. Try to start a business in any kind of manufacturing. It is almost impossible. Ad let me just add: do you know what overhead is? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm serious. If you know what it is then you know that overhead has a direct correlation to the retail cost of any particular item. You have to agree with that. It is a solid fact. If you agree to that I suggest you attempt to calculate the amount of overhead a manufacturer has to deal with that is solely related to government regulations and taxes. It costs money. That cost is passed on to the consumer. The consumer is not willing to pay that extra cost when there is a cheaper alternative. The cheaper alternative doesn't have as much overhead because they live in countries with less regulations and taxes. The choice for both the consumer and the business is simple; the consumer will buy cheap and the manufacturer will move overseas. When it becomes cheaper to manufacture it here, then you would see less jobs go overseas and more domestic growth, but the artificial overhead created by the government must be eliminated. Raising taxes on imports so that domestic products are more competitive does not solve the problem. It only causes consumers to pay more, which causes them to buy less. That is where the economy comes into play. Less spending equals less revenue for retailers and related businesses which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs which equals less spending which equals less jobs..... The answer isn't to fix problems with domestic production by punishing consumers, it's to stop the endless cycle of regulations that has chased all our manufacturing jobs overseas. The government can't create jobs. That has been proven how many hundreds of times now? How could anyone still believe that? Edited September 2, 2013 by TMF

[Erik88]

You know the thread is getting good when you read "sweet baby Jesus" at the beginning of a new post.

 

 

Personally, I'm really cheap when it comes to clothes so I'm not willing to pay extra for American made. I do know the Toyota Tacoma I test drove a few months back was made from 70% US parts. I'm guess that's more than a lot of the Ford's and Chevy's I see driving around but I could be wrong.

[DaveTN]

These are 100% made in the USA by American workers. (Except for the .22)

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757955_-1_757781_757781_image

[Randall53]

I posted 3 links to American made Products JohnC and they all blew right by them....LOL

[DaveTN]

You can still by the most important things in life (Guns, Cars, Motorcycles and liquor ) made in the USA. Although cars is getting pretty hard to find.

[DaveS]

We have a winner. You can blame most of it on the US government, with heavy emphasis on progressive idiots.

Mike, you are right about the Government. Also, "we the people" have priced ourselves out of work with our big dollar demands. Most jobs here in Clarksville are part time only with no benefits. My VA vocation rep, told me that full time jobs with benefits are becoming a thing of the past.

 

DaveS

[10-Ring]

Ironic that the OP was in a Sears, talk about a company selling out.  I was working at Sears around 2009 when an inter company email was sent out informing us that Craftsman tools would from here on out be made in China.  The memo informed us to tell any customers who asked that the company had decided to move Craftsman tool production to China in order to give the customer a better value.  What a load of BS.  I remember when Sears used to put a sticker on all of the Craftsman packaging that read "Proudly made in the USA!"  Guess that was just a joke.

[Guest Cazador]

Gov. regulations and insurance are the biggest costs for any business. It almost rigged to keep you from making a profit. The more your gross sales go up the more your liability insurance, workers comp, and unemployment insurances go up. If a business can run above a 5% profit margin they are doing well. The legal costs are ridiculous. There was a company in Oklahoma that made gas cans. They complied with all the Fed and State regulations for marking their product. That didn't seem to matter to the judicial system. They were continually sued by idiots that misused the cans. It put the company out of business and cost 400 jobs.

I say God has a way of culling stupid people from the planet. We need to quit interfering with His plan. If you buy coffee at a drive thru and dump it on your lap it is not their fault. If you can barely fog a mirror or chew gum and walk you should not be driving and drinking coffee. If you place your foot under a lawn mower it is not their fault. If you climb Mt. Hood in shorts and a t shirt in January don't expect people to risk their life to rescue you. Maybe someone will stumble across your corpse in the spring. I could go on and on kinda like the You might be a redneck lines of Bill Engvall but you get my point.

We have an abundance of unskilled workers in this country that would be willing to do many of the out sourced jobs. IF the Government would cut the sympathy strings. I know many of us have worked tobacco fields or farm work in general. We did what we had to do. Now the nanny state has made it so you don't have to. They are even trying to pass regulations so that farmers kids can not work on the farm till they are 16 years old. Many of us learned to drive on a tractor by the age of 12.

I say there was a time for unions and Gov. intervention but that time is long gone and has gone way above and beyond what was helpful. The idea if a little is good then a ton is better is rule number 1 for both of these organizations.

[Erik88]

These are 100% made in the USA by American workers. (Except for the .22)

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757955_-1_757781_757781_image

 

Ya, and they all include a safety recall after a few months. :usa:

 

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category3_750001_750051_757978_-1_Y

[DaveTN]

Ya, and they all include a safety recall after a few months. :usa:

 

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category3_750001_750051_757978_-1_Y

In 40 years of buying S&W handguns (easily over 100) I have had to send in 2.

Shipping was paid both ways and they were promptly returned.

They could do like Glock and deny any problem or call it an “Upgrade Program”.

[Sam1]

you want to know something else about the clothing?  I don't buy any fruit of the loom products any longer.  One of my coworkers previously worked in one of their factories in Jamestown KY for iirc 12 years.  They had the employees there removing the "Made in Mexico" tags and sewing in "Made in the USA" tags.  The justification for this was that the tag was made in America, so it was legal.

 

Being made somewhere else is not an issue because we all like cheap stuff, but to be misleading like that is complete BS.

[WindHawk]

Let's add one more jeans manufacturer.  Even better they are here in Tennessee.  http://store.americangusset.com/about.html  Got a new store in Lynchburg too.  Hard to get much better; well aged JD and new jeans - both from "home"!

[runco]

One argument I haven't seen, is carpal tunnel.  I use to work in the cut-n-sew industry, basically the same industry that makes any thing that is cut from rolls of material and sew into a pattern.  Anyway, in the late 80s, this industry's was rampant with carpal tunnel complaints and lawsuits.  So it may not be 100% on the backs of government, but individual lawsuits that ran this industry out of town. 

 

BTW I wonder how many people reading this post is reading it using a made in the USA computer screen, made in USA hand held device, etc.   If you do have one, please share with me the name.

 

One more BTW, how many of us scrutinize our 401K mutual funds to make sure we are not partaking in the profits from any industry that uses made in over seas products?  Hmmmm.  Its easy to identify a shirt label, but when it really counts in our own pocket, do we use the same scrutiny and deep dive analysis of our own actions.  If we are going to complain, attempt to lead by example, lead in all things, not just the easy stuff.  Just saying.....I hate it too, but its the world we live in.

[TMF]

Let's add one more jeans manufacturer.  Even better they are here in Tennessee.  http://store.americangusset.com/about.html  Got a new store in Lynchburg too.  Hard to get much better; well aged JD and new jeans - both from "home"!

 

When they finally force Jack Daniels overseas I'm starting a new country.

[Garufa]

When they finally force Jack Daniels overseas I'm starting a new country.

 

Don't fret just yet.  They're expanding.  :)

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jack-daniels-prepares-largest-expansion-20033782

[TMF]

Don't fret just yet.  They're expanding.  :)

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jack-daniels-prepares-largest-expansion-20033782

 

Since alcohol is going to be the libs next target after trans fats and tobacco, I worry about this one.  They were shut down by Tennessee's facist prohibition laws so I figure it'll be just as easy for the libs to target them and make them pay extra for all liver disease and drunk related crimes until they decide to distill from Canada.

[TSprint1]

For anyone who thinks the US government may not be a part of the problem please explain why we have the 2nd highest effective corporate tax rate in the world.  Even higher than just about all, if not all, of the most socialist countries. Why would any company bring any of their earnings to the US with such a punitive tax code?  Just ask GE or any of the other large corporations.  Want to see who pays what?:

 

http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/services/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/pages/corporate-tax-rates-table.aspx

 

Just a small, but important, part of the problem.

[Dennis1209]

It's was caused by our 26 letter alphabet...

 

NAFTA, GATT, WTO, OSHA, OWCP, IRS, CFR, AFGE, UAW and G.R.E.E.D

 

Next thing you know, people are going to walk out on burger flipping jobs demanding $15.50 / hour and their own parking spaces and stock options?

[DaveTN]

Since alcohol is going to be the libs next target after trans fats and tobacco, I worry about this one.  They were shut down by Tennessee's facist prohibition laws so I figure it'll be just as easy for the libs to target them and make them pay extra for all liver disease and drunk related crimes until they decide to distill from Canada.

It’s already taxed at 20 times the tax on a gallon of gas and 7 times the tax on a pack of cigarettes.