Obama offers new gun control steps

[QuietDan]

Obama offers new gun control steps

 

By JOSH LEDERMAN, Associated Press | August 29, 2013 | Updated: August 29, 2013 8:59am

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Striving to take action where Congress would not, the Obama administration announced new steps Thursday on gun control, curbing the import of military surplus weapons and proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations.

 

Four months after a gun control drive collapsed spectacularly in the Senate, President Barack Obama added two more executive actions to a list of 23 steps the White House determined Obama could take on his own to reduce gun violence. With the political world focused on Mideast tensions and looming fiscal battles, the move signaled Obama's intent to show he hasn't lost sight of the cause he took up after 20 first graders and six adults were gunned down last year in an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

 

One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities, where some may end up on the streets. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.

 

The Obama administration is also proposing a federal rule to stop those who would be ineligible to pass a background check from skirting the law by registering a gun to a corporation or trust. The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks as individuals if they want to register guns.

 

Vice President Joe Biden, Obama's point-man on gun control after the Newtown tragedy thrust guns into the national spotlight, was set to unveil the new actions Thursday at the White House.

 

The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities. A Senate deal to approve the president's pending nominations after Democrats threatened to change Senate rules cleared the way for Jones' confirmation last month.

 

Still out of reach for Obama were the steps that gun control advocates and the administration's own review say could most effectively combat gun violence in the U.S., like an assault weapons ban and fewer exceptions for background checks for individual sales. Only Congress can act on those fronts.

 

Although Obama and Biden have said the fight is not over, there is scant evidence that there is more support for gun control legislation than there was in April, when efforts died in the Senate amid staunch opposition from the National Rifle Association and most Republican senators.

 

"Sooner or later, we are going to get this right," Obama said that day in the White House Rose Garden, with the families of Newtown victims and former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — herself a victim of a gunman — at his side. "The memories of these children demand it, and so do the American people," the president said at the time.

 

In the months following the Senate vote, Biden has claimed that at a handful of lawmakers who opposed expanded background checks have told him privately they've changed their minds and want another chance. But Biden and White House officials have not named any of those lawmakers.

 

These days, Obama mentions gun control with far less regularity than when it appeared the Senate was poised to take action, although Obama did meet Tuesday with 18 city mayors to discuss ways to contain youth violence. And with immigration and pressing fiscal issues dominating Congress' agenda, the prospects for reviving gun legislation appear negligible.

 

With Jones' confirmation at ATF, the White House has completed or made significant progress on all but one of the 23 executive actions Obama had previously ordered in January, the White House said. Still lingering is an effort to finalize regulations to require insurers to cover mental health at parity with medical benefits, although the White House said that it is committed to making that happen by the end of 2013.

 

The new rules for guns registered to corporations will follow the traditional regulatory process, with a 90-day comment period before ATF reviews suggestions and finalizes the rule. Last year, ATF received 39,000 requests to register guns to corporations and trusts.

 

 

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/AP-Exclusive-Obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps-4770412.php

Edited August 29, 2013 by QuietDan

[Jonnin]

It is just his arrogant punishment / slap behavior.    Banning bolt action rifles on a pretext (they are MILITARY GRADE bolt action rifles)  because it is the ONLY thing he can do without congress to punish his political enemies, so he does it.  

 

This will backfire, but it will really be a loss to collectors.

[Guest semiautots]

ABC is reporting on it, too.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-gun-control-steps-20104584

[Guest Riciticky]

He really has a chip on his shoulder. A real big one.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Does the corporate/trust thing only affect NFA items? Or does it somehow apply to ordinary firearms, in states which have some sort of registration? There isn't any "registration" as such around here.

 

So could a trust side-step a felon's background check buying a new revolver or glock, by directly buying the gun? Didn't realize that it is so common for street crooks to set up a trust in order to buy guns without a background check. :)

[mikegideon]

At least they have to go thru a comment period. This will turn into another big fight. More ammo for the 2014 midterms too. We need to retake the Senate, and then send his ass packin'.

[Garufa]

Pretty sure they don't Lester.

 

This is a direct shot at law-abiding collectors and NFA trust-holders.  The background check with the trust does kinda make sense in a way as a convicted felon theoretically could come into possesion of restricted items, if I understand the system correctly.

 

The importation restriction make no sense whatever.  All this will do is prevent old semi-auto, bolt-actions and pistols (all C&R) to be brought back into the country.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Garufa

[mikegideon]

Does the corporate/trust thing only affect NFA items? Or does it somehow apply to ordinary firearms, in states which have some sort of registration? There isn't any "registration" as such around here.

 

So could a trust side-step a felon's background check buying a new revolver or glock, by directly buying the gun? Didn't realize that it is so common for street crooks to set up a trust in order to buy guns without a background check. :)

 

Bingo

[mikegideon]

Pretty sure they don't Lester.

 

This is a direct shot at law-abiding collectors and NFA trust-holders.  The background check with the trust does kinda make sense in a way as a convicted felon theoretically could come into possesion of restricted items, if I understand the system correctly.

 

The importation restriction make no sense whatever.  All this will do is prevent old semi-auto, bolt-actions and pistols (all C&R) to be brought back into the country.

 

Block some Mosins from coming in, and push everybody toward a spanky new AR-15. Just one more indication that Obama is dumber than a fishin' worm.

[Garufa]

Block some Mosins from coming in, and push everybody toward a spanky new AR-15. Just one more indication that Obama is dumber than a fishin' worm.

 

Dumb, no doubt, as I read this as only applying to weapons made in the US then shipped overseas.  Like all those M1 Garands they've been trying to get back from Korea for the past 5 years.

[mikegideon]

Dumb, no doubt, as I read this as only applying to weapons made in the US then shipped overseas.  Like all those M1 Garands they've been trying to get back from Korea for the past 5 years.

 

The Hildebeast already blocked those. I guess Obama is just now trying to get credit, since its after the election and all. I hope Beyonce loses all bowell control next time he's snorting blow off her butt.

[Chucktshoes]

Well, there goes the CMP.

[Spots]

Well, there goes the CMP.

Ive been wqnting a Garand. Id say I just lost my chance.

Tapatalk ate my spelling.

[RobertNashville]

I think some are confusing pursuing an agenda with being "dumb"....I don't consider Obama to be "dumb"; just a very dangerous socialist, tin-plated dictator-want-a-be with delusions of godhood driven by an overwhelming desire to push an agenda and somehow be "relevant".

[tnguy]

Does the corporate/trust thing only affect NFA items? Or does it somehow apply to ordinary firearms, in states which have some sort of registration? There isn't any "registration" as such around here.

 

So could a trust side-step a felon's background check buying a new revolver or glock, by directly buying the gun? Didn't realize that it is so common for street crooks to set up a trust in order to buy guns without a background check. :)

 

About as logical as them setting up an arms and ammunition manufacturing business so they can rob grannies pensions in back alleys.

[leroy]

More childish behavior cloaked as doin the "right thing"....  This is "red meat" for the low information children and a slap at capitalism, the second amendment, congress, and law abiding citizens by a pompous, overbearing, childish, vindictive politician of very small stature.  This is a perfect picture of who Barak Obama is...." ...An overbearing, pompous, smartest guy in the room statist elevated to the highest office in the land on via "Equal Opportunity", voter fraud, and "Insider dealing" who knows better than everybody what is best for us "rabble to to controlled" ALA the "chicago" way..... 

 

I think it is also a calculated political move to take the discussion off the Syria intervention talk, the whuppin in the Supreme Court RE:  voting rights, the NSA fiasco (...which is still cookin...), and other nobama administration failures as well; as it stirs up those who actually believe that the Second Amendment actually means what  it says....  I say: "....Keep talkin... the more folks ya make mad, the greater the chance to fix this problem in the Senate and White House..."....

 

leroy

radical isolationist libertarian and despiser of both political parties!!!

[tnguy]

I think he's all that and kinda dumb too. He's smart at what he's good at which is smarm and manipulation but his thinking rarely seems to go beyond how to climb the next rung of the ladder. And he's almost run out of ladder to climb (Excepting "Ruler of Earth", "Grand Poobah of the Known Universe" and "Messiah").

Edited August 29, 2013 by tnguy

[mikegideon]

More childish behavior cloaked as doin the "right thing"....  This is "red meat" for the low information children and a slap at capitalism, the second amendment, congress, and law abiding citizens by a pompous, overbearing, childish, vindictive politician of very small stature.  This is a perfect picture of who Barak Obama is...." ...An overbearing, pompous, smartest guy in the room statist elevated to the highest office in the land on via "Equal Opportunity", voter fraud, and "Insider dealing" who knows better than everybody what is best for us "rabble to to controlled" ALA the "chicago" way..... 

 

I think it is also a calculated political move to take the discussion off the Syria intervention talk, the whuppin in the Supreme Court RE:  voting rights, the NSA fiasco (...which is still cookin...), and other nobama administration failures as well; as it stirs up those who actually believe that the Second Amendment actually means what  it says....  I say: "....Keep talkin... the more folks ya make mad, the greater the chance to fix this problem in the Senate and White House..."....

 

leroy

radical isolationist libertarian and despiser of both political parties!!!

 

You DO have a way with words :)

[Garufa]

Well, there goes the CMP.

 

 

Ive been wqnting a Garand. Id say I just lost my chance.

Tapatalk ate my spelling.

 

The CMP does not import Garands or any other rifle.  Their sole source is the US Army.  When rifles are returned from overseas they go to the Army (government) which them turns them over to the CMP.

[Pat]

I don't know about you guys, but... I hate Obama. He's like a mosquito, he just keeps buzzing around you even after getting swatted down...

[mikegideon]

I don't know about you guys, but... I hate Obama. He's like a mosquito, he just keeps buzzing around you even after getting swatted down...

 

Hate is a strong word, usually only reserved for extreme assholes like Barack Hussein Obama.

[Ramjo]

**** Obama. Milsurps are the main reason I'm even really into collecting firearms. This will send prices through the roof in a way I can't imagine.

[TMF]

This is like banning sporks in the school cafeteria because a kid brought a bowie knife to school.

[mikegideon]

This is like banning sporks in the school cafeteria because a kid brought a bowie knife to school.

 

Hell with a bowie knife. I've been buying bayonets, 'cause they make your basic libtard shit down both legs. :)

[TMF]

Hell with a bowie knife. I've been buying bayonets, 'cause they make your basic libtard #### down both legs. :)

 

You're contributing to the rampant problem with drive-by bayonetings.  Maybe some day Congress will pass common sense legislation to address the problem.