Disgusted and sick at the justice system

[TMF]

The overall reinforcing of prior beliefs means a near death experience or ketamine could make someone a bigger racist or more paranoid or just generally certain of things that they had maybe doubted before. In this case, maybe that the roommate that got shot was screwing him over somehow.

No, he just is a POS who was sponging off of them rent free, a complete slob and a turd who was waking up from a drug induced hangover at 0900 on a work day. No one will ever know what conversation took place, but I assume the victim told him what a POS he was. Who wouldn't? He got shot 5 times in the back for it and his killer will go free very soon because he was on drugs at the time. There is no excuse. When you take drugs you are responsible for all your actions resulting from that. This case is sickening.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Who cares what kind of drug it was? He made a choice to do whatever drug. He should face dire consequences over the

decision. Start analyzing the drug over the man and you get stupid decisions, like this jury apparently was sidetracked into

believing. If I take a drug, am I, all of a sudden, not responsible for my actions. I made the choice, not the drug. What planet

is this? Poor damned slob takes a drug, becomes a victim, gets a slap on the wrist, and walks, while someone dies because

of this poor damned slob. Cops do their job to see this kind of crap in our justice system, and it's a wonder why our country

is falling apart.

 

The wrong one became the victim. Who gives a crap what kind of drug it is? Does it really matter?

[Guest The Itis]

Yes, of course, the responsibility doesn't end because someone is in an altered state of consciousness.

I know of it first hand, I'm looking at living the rest of my life with pain due to a drunk in a truck hitting me while I was on my motorcycle.

 

This case is indeed disgusting, there should be no absolution of responsibility whatsoever. You can't go load up on guns and ecstasy and go shoot up a school and claim you had no idea what you were doing. Unless you were secretly drugged by someone else, the part where you are taking the drug should fully count as premeditation. It is a conscious decision that is made while the person is still lucid and mentally competent.

 

Frankly it's like putting on a blindfold and then shooting into a crowd of people- you have intentionally impaired yourself but that is no excuse whatsoever to claim you just couldn't see. :ugh:

[Currently]

Ok. If this stands as a valid defense, then being drunk is now a valid defense for killing someone while driving under the influence?

[Guest The Itis]

Funny thing with DUI/OWI/whatever they call it wherever you are, being drunk typically ADDS to the offense as an aggravating factor. Go figure that one out.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

I agree that people are responsible for their decisions, including whatever they do after willingly deciding to use drugs or alcohol.

 

That is why I was curious if the fella was intoxicated as a result of a medical procedure. If the fella had been hallucinating as a result of medically prescribed drugs, then possibly he might have a reasonable right to be judged innocent due to no fault of his own.

 

When I've had anesthesia for minor procedures, they instruct don't drive, operate power tools, make any financial or other important decisions for that day. They require someone to be there to drive you home and look after you for the day. You have to sign a release document attesting that you were so warned and intend to follow the advice. On the other hand, if you were so mentally stewed as not to be legally responsible for your actions, then dunno if you would be legally responsible for signing the paper. :)

 

Just saying, drugs affect individuals differently and merely because most folks don't go nuts on a particular medical drug, doesn't mean that a few people can't go unexpectedly nuts on the drug. For years there has been controversy about weird/tragic things that sometimes happen to people on medical-prescribed ADHD drugs, anti-depressants, and even anti-psychotics. On one hand, one can blame the drug. On the other hand, one can argue, "People who are prescribed such drugs are crazy to begin with, so you have to blame the crazy and not the drug, and expect occasional bad things to happen." Though of course the law tends to treat "truly crazy" differently as well.

 

But "truly crazy" shouldn't be a get out of jail card. In some rare cases a "temporarily crazy" murderer might be justifiably released after treatment, but usually there's no way to know if someone is "cured" so the imprisonment should be the same for public safety, merely imprisonment in a mental health facility rather than prison.

Edited September 4, 2013 by Lester Weevils

[Just2Honor]

peejman is right.  It has become a legal sysem, not a justice system.   No matter why or what the law needs to make people responsible for their actions and a hard look needs to be taken at a legal system that lets a jury reduce a murder charge that easily.

[bersaguy]

Well I do know this. The VA Hospitals have been know to pass that stuff out like candy to the Vets that use the VA Hospitals. They say they are one of the meds they use on PTSD on a regular basis. I don't use the VA for my medical issues as I have other forms of insurance that takes care of my medical costs. I do have a few buddy's that do use the VA and they are my age and been out since the mid 70's as I have been and they told me that they had scripts of that drug given to them and they didn't even ask for it and PTSD was not even the reason they went in. One of them went in to get new glasses and came out with a scrip of the stuff all filled and in a bottle. Now with that said, a lot of this type of stuff is politics folks. Lower the charges and give less time saves taxpayer dollars in long run. In this particular case if they really wanted to save the tax payers money $1.50 cents discharged from a police officers gun would have save a lot more and he deserved it...........JMHO