Dixie Chicks , Natalie / Mother CD

[Fourtyfive]

Have to say after hearing the rest of the CD , not impressed.......now my new Black Sabbath 13 CD rocks ; but that's a new thread ! Edited August 25, 2013 by Threeeighty

[Guest TankerHC]

I have been to 100's of concerts since my first (REO Speedwagon) in 77 or whenever it was. I have yet to hear any band member get up on stage and bash the President, cannot in fact remember any band member bash any politician or even talk politics on stage. Rush, KISS, Beach Boys, ZZ Top, you name it, haven't heard any of them do it. When Natallie Maines made her comments, I suppose she forgot who her fanbase was made up of. Not exactly the most Liberal crowd in the U.S.

 

This year, but months ago I believe it was Lynrd Skynrd or Alabama who decided to no longer use the Confederate Battle Flag on stage or on any of their albums. Cant remember exactly who it was, but one of those two I believe, fans started raising holy heck and the band had to come out with a statement explaining why (Wasnt Political they claimed but not what they initially claimed). They, it would seem ,also forgot who their fanbase was,

 

Then there is the destruction of FRANCECAR. FRANCECAR has given up on its fanbase in the name of Political Correctness. You can blame that on the start of the original COT (Removing any semblence of a stock car from NASCAR Stock car racing), or the over promotion of Patrick over other drivers, but it wasnt until Brian France issued his two edicts (The General Lee car cannot be at any races) and (The Confederate Battle Flag will not be flown at any races, which was pretty much completely ignored by the track owners. Then when France started claiming that the largest part of NASCAR's fan base was in California and started debating whether to take the Homestead race or the second Daytona or Talladhega races and moving them to California or New Yorks. Since then attendance has been WAY WAY down, relatively speaking, no one showed up for Indy and the fact is at Dover for the last two years you could buy gate tickets for $15 and $20 and they still cant fill the stands, and Richmond is beginning to get the same way.

 

Talk smack, abandon your fan base and they will abandon you right back. And hit you where it hurts, in the pocket book. I could care less about Maines politics, but as mentioned above she and the rest need to keep their politics to themselves. Last two movies I saw where the same way, finally went to se the Conjuring this weeken, within 5 minutes this line comes up, talking about the haunted objects in the museum "Yea, we keep these locked away, kinda of like KEEPING GUNS OFF THE STREET". The first 20 minutes of the new Superman was like watching a 20 minute commercial for every left wing tree hugger stance there is.

 

I go to movies, concerts and USED to go to NASCAR races every year, to escape all the daily BS. It's no longer an escape (As it used to claim to be) All if it is now is a pulpit for left wing stances. Like the movie Avatar, everyone saw a movie with great special effects, those who watched it closer than for just CGI agree, it was a 2 hour commercial on how mining and miners are destroying the planet.

 

Going to see the Eagles in a couple of months, I swear if Joe Walsh starts talking abut Obama Im going to get up and walk out. AND get my money back. Im going primarily to watch Joe Walsh play. (I dont see Joe Walsh getting up and spewing on Politics)

[TMF]

[quote name="Chucktshoes" post="1021130" timestamp="1377427813"] That just makes me think of Nirvana lyrics (In Bloom).[/quote] Good catch. I wish I didn't like RATM so much, but they're like an angry version of the Beastie Boys. It makes meat eaters want to kill things more. Edited August 25, 2013 by TMF

[TripleDigitRide]

I have been to 100's of concerts since my first (REO Speedwagon) in 77 or whenever it was. I have yet to hear any band member get up on stage and bash the President, cannot in fact remember any band member bash any politician or even talk politics on stage. Rush, KISS, Beach Boys, ZZ Top, you name it, haven't heard any of them do it. When Natallie Maines made her comments, I suppose she forgot who her fanbase was made up of. Not exactly the most Liberal crowd in the U.S.

This year, but months ago I believe it was Lynrd Skynrd or Alabama who decided to no longer use the Confederate Battle Flag on stage or on any of their albums. Cant remember exactly who it was, but one of those two I believe, fans started raising holy heck and the band had to come out with a statement explaining why (Wasnt Political they claimed but not what they initially claimed). They, it would seem ,also forgot who their fanbase was,

Then there is the destruction of FRANCECAR. FRANCECAR has given up on its fanbase in the name of Political Correctness. You can blame that on the start of the original COT (Removing any semblence of a stock car from NASCAR Stock car racing), or the over promotion of Patrick over other drivers, but it wasnt until Brian France issued his two edicts (The General Lee car cannot be at any races) and (The Confederate Battle Flag will not be flown at any races, which was pretty much completely ignored by the track owners. Then when France started claiming that the largest part of NASCAR's fan base was in California and started debating whether to take the Homestead race or the second Daytona or Talladhega races and moving them to California or New Yorks. Since then attendance has been WAY WAY down, relatively speaking, no one showed up for Indy and the fact is at Dover for the last two years you could buy gate tickets for $15 and $20 and they still cant fill the stands, and Richmond is beginning to get the same way.

Talk smack, abandon your fan base and they will abandon you right back. And hit you where it hurts, in the pocket book. I could care less about Maines politics, but as mentioned above she and the rest need to keep their politics to themselves. Last two movies I saw where the same way, finally went to se the Conjuring this weeken, within 5 minutes this line comes up, talking about the haunted objects in the museum "Yea, we keep these locked away, kinda of like KEEPING GUNS OFF THE STREET". The first 20 minutes of the new Superman was like watching a 20 minute commercial for every left wing tree hugger stance there is.

I go to movies, concerts and USED to go to NASCAR races every year, to escape all the daily BS. It's no longer an escape (As it used to claim to be) All if it is now is a pulpit for left wing stances. Like the movie Avatar, everyone saw a movie with great special effects, those who watched it closer than for just CGI agree, it was a 2 hour commercial on how mining and miners are destroying the planet.

Going to see the Eagles in a couple of months, I swear if Joe Walsh starts talking abut Obama Im going to get up and walk out. AND get my money back. Im going primarily to watch Joe Walsh play. (I dont see Joe Walsh getting up and spewing on Politics)

Yeah, she definitely didn't consider her fanbase.

At least partly due to what you mentioned about NASCAR, I no longer have any interest in going to a race or watching it on television. As a damn yankee who grew up racing, it saddens me to see what they are doing.

[Mark@Sea]

She expressed her opinions and beliefs on stage.  Her former fan base expressed their opinions and beliefs at the cash register.  The Duke said it best;  Life is hard, it's harder if you're stupid.  The groups' hypocritical reaction to their fans' (predictable as sunrise) mass exodus is typical of the left.  Liberal is synonymous with liar.

 

Got no use for liars.  Well, landfill, maybe, but I wouldn't want to try putting a foundation on top.

Edited August 25, 2013 by Mark@Sea

[Mike.357]

meh,  I was never a fan of the Dixie Chicks, don't care what their politics are.   

 

I recall music from the late sixties and early seventies that was very political in nature. 

[Guest TankerHC]

meh,  I was never a fan of the Dixie Chicks, don't care what their politics are.   

 

I recall music from the late sixties and early seventies that was very political in nature. 

 

 

Lots of ,music Political in nature. But thats the music. If you choose to listen to it, thats your decision. ("You" as in generally speaking). It is an entirely different story when you go to a concert, you pay your money, then one of the band members decides since he/she has an audience, he/she can get up and make her stance on a Political subject, knowing full well that you may take the route to leave, but she still has your money.

 

Either that or she was just plain stupid.

Edited August 25, 2013 by TankerHC

[TMF]

Now I have "Take it on the Run" stuck in my head.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Folks won't buy yer movies, music, tv shows, if they don't like you. From a biz perspecive, it makes sense to get as many customers as possible to like you.

I suppose it also applies to most products, though maybe it is more common to find people who don't like the coca cola company buying coke, or people who don't like google buying androids, microsoft haters buying winders products, etc.

A musician who wants to push right wing ideology might get possible fans who both like the music and like you for the political stance, in the country market. The left winger who wants to push a trip might do better in rap or thrash or whatever.

An "artist" with firm beliefs and integrity would do what seems right and not worry about the money. If worried about the money, artists and songs are a penny per gross and you can't afford to run off any customers, because it is a "statistical fluke" than ANY person rises to stardom out of the massive population of artists "trying to make it".

Maybe the best approach is to presnt a "generic image", a blank slate upon which many different fans can project their own ideals. Kinda like the Obama 2008 campaign. Talk in rosy generalities so that many different fans can project their own hopes on the ambiguous blank projection screen.

I don't really like vocal music all that much any more, and can't stand top 40 anything except in tiny doses. Dixie Chicks, no thanks regardless of politics. Figure statistics-- Pretty faces are rare, and excellent musical talent is rare. If the ear wants to hear the best musical talent, then how statistically likely is it that the best sounding stuff is gonna be associated with a pretty face? Edited August 25, 2013 by Lester Weevils

[TripleDigitRide]

I have been to 100's of concerts since my first (REO Speedwagon) in 77 or whenever it was. I have yet to hear any band member get up on stage and bash the President, cannot in fact remember any band member bash any politician or even talk politics on stage. Rush, KISS, Beach Boys, ZZ Top, you name it, haven't heard any of them do it. When Natallie Maines made her comments, I suppose she forgot who her fanbase was made up of. Not exactly the most Liberal crowd in the U.S.

 

This year, but months ago I believe it was Lynrd Skynrd or Alabama who decided to no longer use the Confederate Battle Flag on stage or on any of their albums. Cant remember exactly who it was, but one of those two I believe, fans started raising holy heck and the band had to come out with a statement explaining why (Wasnt Political they claimed but not what they initially claimed). They, it would seem ,also forgot who their fanbase was,

 

Then there is the destruction of FRANCECAR. FRANCECAR has given up on its fanbase in the name of Political Correctness. You can blame that on the start of the original COT (Removing any semblence of a stock car from NASCAR Stock car racing), or the over promotion of Patrick over other drivers, but it wasnt until Brian France issued his two edicts (The General Lee car cannot be at any races) and (The Confederate Battle Flag will not be flown at any races, which was pretty much completely ignored by the track owners. Then when France started claiming that the largest part of NASCAR's fan base was in California and started debating whether to take the Homestead race or the second Daytona or Talladhega races and moving them to California or New Yorks. Since then attendance has been WAY WAY down, relatively speaking, no one showed up for Indy and the fact is at Dover for the last two years you could buy gate tickets for $15 and $20 and they still cant fill the stands, and Richmond is beginning to get the same way.

 

Talk smack, abandon your fan base and they will abandon you right back. And hit you where it hurts, in the pocket book. I could care less about Maines politics, but as mentioned above she and the rest need to keep their politics to themselves. Last two movies I saw where the same way, finally went to se the Conjuring this weeken, within 5 minutes this line comes up, talking about the haunted objects in the museum "Yea, we keep these locked away, kinda of like KEEPING GUNS OFF THE STREET". The first 20 minutes of the new Superman was like watching a 20 minute commercial for every left wing tree hugger stance there is.

 

I go to movies, concerts and USED to go to NASCAR races every year, to escape all the daily BS. It's no longer an escape (As it used to claim to be) All if it is now is a pulpit for left wing stances. Like the movie Avatar, everyone saw a movie with great special effects, those who watched it closer than for just CGI agree, it was a 2 hour commercial on how mining and miners are destroying the planet.

 

Going to see the Eagles in a couple of months, I swear if Joe Walsh starts talking abut Obama Im going to get up and walk out. AND get my money back. Im going primarily to watch Joe Walsh play. (I dont see Joe Walsh getting up and spewing on Politics)

The Dixie Chicks have toured or played with the Eagles during several shows since Natalie's comments. I know they played several dates together back in 2007, and both toured together with Keith Urban 2010. 

 

Taken from Wikipedia:

 

He (Don Henley )has also been a generous donor to political campaigns of Democrats. Henley has always been a supporter of the Democratic Party. In 2008 The Washington Post reported that since 1978, Henley had donated over $680,000 to political candidates.^[12]

During a concert at Chastain Park in Atlanta, Georgia, in 2005, Henley made known his dislike of then-president George W. Bush for which he received mostly cheers along with some boos.^{[citation needed]} Several tracks on the 2007 Eagles album Long Road Out of Eden (including the title track, which Henley co-wrote) are sharply critical of the Iraq War and other policies of the Bush administration.

 

Taken from The Boot: 

 

“I think people expect us to do what we do, and where other people might not be able to get away with it — like our friends the Dixie Chicks, bless their hearts — we get away with it,” Henley tells The Boot. “I’ve said some outrageous things about Bush in the press. Every time I do an interview and they ask me who I would like for President this time I say, ‘Any of the front-runners would be fine with me, because frankly a f—ing chimpanzee would be an improvement.’ I’ve said that numerous times in the press and nothing has come of it.”

 

 

While not at the actual show, during an autograph session prior to a show in a foreign country. Taken from Scoop:

 

 

BANGKOK, Thailand -- Don Henley, lead singer of the American rock band, "The Eagles," said America's war in Iraq "was not necessary" and he does not like U.S. President George Bush.

"I didn't like him [Bush] when he was governor, and I don't like him now. I support the troops, but I don't support the people who sent them there [to Iraq] because it wasn't necessary," Mr. Henley said.

The Eagles's singer and drummer made the comments on Wednesday (Oct. 13) in a brief recorded interview while signing autographs ahead of the band's two concerts in Bangkok scheduled for Oct. 15 and 16.

Asked if he supported President Bush and America's war in Iraq, Mr. Henley, 57, replied: "No, I do not."

 

 

 

So, to be fair, it's not beyond impossible to hear live bashing of the president at an Eagles show. By supporting the Eagles via their quite high ticket prices, you are helping at least part of the Eagles support the Democrats. You may even get to hear him praise Obama himself.  :usa: 

 

We all have the right to whatever opinion we choose, but to single out the Dixie Chicks while continuing to support countless other "artist" who share similar views as the Dixie Chicks is something I don't quite understand. A good portion of those in the entertainment industry support those with ideals that differ from our own, and a great many have not been afraid to openly express them. Unless we're going to burn our radios and televisions, never go see another movie on the big screen, etc., singling out one person/group for having a differing opinion simply doesn't make sense.

Edited August 25, 2013 by TripleDigitRide

[Guest TankerHC]

The Dixie Chicks have toured or played with the Eagles during several shows since Natalie's comments. I know they played several dates together back in 2007, and both toured together with Keith Urban 2010. 

 

Taken from Wikipedia:

 

Taken from The Boot: 

 

 

While not at the actual show, during an autograph session prior to a show in a foreign country. Taken from Scoop:

 

 

 

So, to be fair, it's not beyond impossible to hear live bashing of the president at an Eagles show. By supporting the Eagles via their quite high ticket prices, you are helping at least part of the Eagles support the Democrats. You may even get to hear him praise Obama himself.  :usa: 

 

We all have the right to whatever opinion we choose, but to single out the Dixie Chicks while continuing to support countless other "artist" who share similar views as the Dixie Chicks is something I don't quite understand. A good portion of those in the entertainment industry support those with ideals that differ from our own, and a great many have not been afraid to openly express them. Unless we're going to burn our radios and televisions, never go see another movie on the big screen, etc., singling out one person/group for having a differing opinion simply doesn't make sense.

 

 

I am going to an Eagles Concert.....to hear Joe Walsh play. If Walsh starts talking about Politics, I will get up and leave. The rest of them (Including the whiney azz Henley) I dont care. I dont care about those "Countless" other ones either, none that I have seen live have been dumb enough to start blaebbering about something they dont know who in their audience agrees with.

 

BTW, I know BB King, Hubert Sumlin and Buddy Guy's politics, read thier opinions. Still have gone to see them play. BB King in N.O, Buddy Guy twice at the Ameristar Casino, Sumlin in Clarksdale. (Sumlin died few months ago), Never heard a one of them say anything about their politics

 

But your right, there are countless actors, singers, and other entertainers who think they need to spread their opinions upon the masses becaue what they say means more than what anyone else says. Just ask Jim Carrey. He has time to answer, cause he doesnt have anything else to do these days.

 

BTW, all three of those Bluesman do Killing Floor differently, and all three do it awesomely. Politics notwithstanding.

Edited August 25, 2013 by TankerHC

[TripleDigitRide]

I am going to an Eagles Concert.....to hear Joe Walsh play. If Walsh starts talking about Politics, I will get up and leave. The rest of them (Including the whiney azz Henley) I dont care. I dont care about those "Countless" other ones either, none that I have seen live have been dumb enough to start blaebbering about something they dont know who in their audience agrees with.

 

BTW, I know BB King, Hubert Sumlin and Buddy Guy's politics, read thier opinions. Still have gone to see them play. BB King in N.O, Buddy Guy twice at the Ameristar Casino, Sumlin in Clarksdale. (Sumlin died few months ago), Never heard a one of them say anything about their politics

 

But your right, there are countless actors, singers, and other entertainers who think they need to spread their opinions upon the masses becaue what they say means more than what anyone else says. Just ask Jim Carrey. He has time to answer, cause he doesnt have anything else to do these days.

 

BTW, all three of those Bluesman do Killing Floor differently, and all three do it awesomely. Politics notwithstanding.

"A wise man once said, never discuss philosophy or politics in a disco environment." - Frank Zappa

[Daniel]

On second thought, I listen to Rage Against the Machine almost daily, so I suppose I don't have any credibility when it comes to boycotting musicians who use their music to push a political agenda that I strongly disagree with.  I'll justify it by saying that a lot of bad guys who RATM defend met their grisly end shortly after US military doorkicker types got hopped up on their music.  Oh the irony.

I remember when I joined the Army way back when and the question on the application about having anything to do with a group that  (paraphrasing) ".....advocates for the violent overthrow of the government...." immediately made me think of RATM and how much I liked them.

[Daniel]

meh,  I was never a fan of the Dixie Chicks, don't care what their politics are.   

 

I recall music from the late sixties and early seventies that was very political in nature. 

I am a big fan of Masters of War. 

[JAB]

Even I forgave Metallica after the whole Napster thing, and I loved me some Napster. I can still enjoy their music (it took me a few years) even though they are a bunch of whiners.

The Dixie Chicks are a different story for two reasons:

 

While one issue was political and the other was about $$$, I don't see the issues as being all that different.  In fact, I think that Metallica was far more hypocritical and betrayed their fans far worse than did the Dixie Chicks.

 

I say that because Metallica got where they are (well, were - before they were washed up) BECAUSE of bootlegs of their music.  Early in their careers, Metallica encouraged people to record audio and even video of their concerts and share it with their friends.  They actually had special areas set aside for people who wanted to record to be able to get better recordings (heck, that had become such a tradition for the band that they were still doing that as late as the Black album tour when I saw them play although by then there was some kind of contest or lottery or something to decide who got into that area.)  Those bootleg recordings being shared over and over were, apparently, a large part of them becoming known, popular and successful so for them to then turn on their fans and participate in court cases to stop bootlegging was the height of hypocrisy.  Further, their claims that it wasn't so much about their royalties as it was about standing up for lesser-known bands rang hollow and smelled like something a bull leaves in a pasture.

 

Had it been any other band fighting against Napster, it likely wouldn't have bothered me.  However, a band that made its name (and, ultimately, a lot of $$$) largely by freely allowing and encouraging bootlegging to take the lead in that fight was, to me, pretty much unforgivable.  Luckily, their music started going downhill after "...and Justice" and has pretty much sucked since "Load" so those of us who have trouble forgiving their hypocrisy aren't missing much.  Heck, maybe there is even a correlation - an indication that around that time they stopped being musicians and started being corporate puppets.

 

I have to admit that I still listen to their older music, sometimes (Ride the Lightning was their best overall album, IMO.)  Hard to stop when they were once one of my two, favorite bands (them and Iron Maiden.)

Edited August 26, 2013 by JAB

[tnhawk]

I remember when I joined the Army way back when and the question on the application about having anything to do with a group that  (paraphrasing) ".....advocates for the violent overthrow of the government...." immediately made me think of RATM and how much I liked them.

How would our Founding Fathers have answered a similar question?

[TMF]

While one issue was political and the other was about $$$, I don't see the issues as being all that different. In fact, I think that Metallica was far more hypocritical and betrayed their fans far worse than did the Dixie Chicks.

I say that because Metallica got where they are (well, were - before they were washed up) BECAUSE of bootlegs of their music. Early in their careers, Metallica encouraged people to record audio and even video of their concerts and share it with their friends. They actually had special areas set aside for people who wanted to record to be able to get better recordings (heck, that had become such a tradition for the band that they were still doing that as late as the Black album tour when I saw them play although by then there was some kind of contest or lottery or something to decide who got into that area.) Those bootleg recordings being shared over and over were, apparently, a large part of them becoming known, popular and successful so for them to then turn on their fans and participate in court cases to stop bootlegging was the height of hypocrisy. Further, their claims that it wasn't so much about their royalties as it was about standing up for lesser-known bands rang hollow and smelled like something a bull leaves in a pasture.

Had it been any other band fighting against Napster, it likely wouldn't have bothered me. However, a band that made its name (and, ultimately, a lot of $$$) largely by freely allowing and encouraging bootlegging to take the lead in that fight was, to me, pretty much unforgivable. Luckily, their music started going downhill after "...and Justice" and has pretty much sucked since "Load" so those of us who have trouble forgiving their hypocrisy aren't missing much. Heck, maybe there is even a correlation - an indication that around that time they stopped being musicians and started being corporate puppets.

I have to admit that I still listen to their older music, sometimes (Ride the Lightning was their best overall album, IMO.) Hard to stop when they were once one of my two, favorite bands (them and Iron Maiden.)

I have nothing but their older stuff on my iPod. I agree, all their stuff late stuff sucks.

The Dixie Chick thing just really pissed me off because of how they referred to fans not buying their music was suppression of free speech. Not buying something in protest is one of the best displays of freedom we have. If they weren't freedom hating commie-prostitutes they would see that.

[Mike.357]

I am a big fan of Masters of War. 

 

right on Bob Dylan!

 

I guess what Natalie Maines did in England is not issue to me because I see little to no difference between making a editorial type comment on stage to the message in the music.  It is the same thing.   

 

I grew up on Country Joe, CSN&Y, The Eagles, The Doors and many more.  A lot of their music was political.  What they said while on stage between songs was no wake up call.

 

There are several instances of political commentary on the Woodstock sound track which was far and away the music that influenced my musical likes and dislikes.

[James in Franklin]

I like their music. I disagree with them dissing Bush from the stage overseas. They have a right to say what they will and we have a right to buy their product, or not. I've not heard this song that's been mentioned. I don't listen to Pink Floyd or RATM.