WWII vet beaten to death by two black teens

[Guest nra37922]

Red sneakers, wonder if these asswipes are part of a Bloods gang.  Crips would have been blue.

[RichardR]

Stuff like this has always happened and always will happen. A couple of cowards killing a defenseless person is nothing new. It is a horrible crime that should be punished by death, but I am not convinced this is anything more than inhumanity which has existed throughout mankind's history on this earth.

Let us not fall into the same trap that liberals do every time a white guy kills a black guy. I agree that if the races were reversed that the libs would be all over this, but we should be better than them. They are the race baiters.

I disagree, these sorts of "black on white incidents" have become an epidemic, one that better subside quick before there is retaliations.

[TMF]

I disagree, these sorts of "black on white incidents" have become an epidemic, one that better subside quick before there is retaliations.

Folks are gonna see what they want to see. This wasn't the first old guy to get beat to death for fun. Believe it or not, it happened all the time before the Internet and 24 hour news. The problem is socioeconomic. I don't live my life thinking the darkies are out to get me anymore than black folks should think that white folks are out to get them.

Bad people do bad things. These two could have just as easily whooped an old black guy from the lodge. I don't think it mattered to them. If it did, what difference does it make? Does that mean I need to look at every black person I see as a threat or hold them accountable for the actions of other blacks? I'll start doing that when I start taking responsibility for the violent actions of other white people, who I have no power to control by virtue of race.

[mikegideon]

There was just an arrest. One of the charges is First Degree Murder.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/us/world-war-vet-beating-death/index.html

[RichardR]

*shrug* a whole lot of white folks are being targeted for violence, because of the color of their skin.

Hard to ignore it considering how much "fuss" the other side makes when they feel even slightly victimized (or remotely offended).

I'd say it's probably going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better, there will be a tipping point where some white folks will eventually start killing them back.

Be prepared.

[three5seven]

I think CNN is making an honest effort to be relevant again and the best way for a news agency that has been reporting nothing but dribble and agenda-based stories is to actually start doing some real reporting!

 

I don't think any of the major new networks report anything other than dribble and agenda based stories nowadays. That goes for both sides of the media. Unfortunately, many people only tune into news they want to hear that comports with their ideals. I watch CNN, Fox News, and the BBC because I figure the sum total of reporting may shed some light into whats actually going on in the world.     

 

Red sneakers, wonder if these asswipes are part of a Bloods gang.  Crips would have been blue.

 

Maybe they were Republicans. Would have worn blue sneakers if they were Democrats!  :rofl:

[TerryW]

Has there ever been a black person, gay person or OTW(other than white) ever tried for a hate crime?  

[Guest ThePunisher]

All the recent gun purchasing by lots of new gun owners indicate that people are tired of being prey to these thugs and criminals. There's gonna be a lot less thugs and criminals breathing and walking the streets if this s### keeps up.

[Worriedman]

I think CNN is making an honest effort to be relevant again and the best way for a news agency that has been reporting nothing but dribble and agenda-based stories is to actually start doing some real reporting!

 

I think there is a real push by some very powerful entities to get the race war going.  Can see CNN putting some of this information out there to get the Bubbas fired up.

 

[Guest TresOsos]

http://www.krem.com/news/Major-Crimes-investigating-assault-outside-Eagles-Ice-Arena-220620071.html

 

 

Bobbie said that the accused attackers used weapons in the assault.

"They used those great big heavy flashlights. The doctors said he was bleeding from all parts of his face," Bobbie Belton said

[gun sane]

There was just an arrest. One of the charges is First Degree Murder.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/us/world-war-vet-beating-death/index.html

 

He's a juvey....oh, boo hoo.  So he walks when he turns 18?

[RobertNashville]

I think there is a real push by some very powerful entities to get the race war going.  Can see CNN putting some of this information out there to get the Bubbas fired up.

 

I think you need to take another look...they've been doing some excellent reporting on the Benghazi scandal.

[gun sane]

Drudge says they beat him to death with flashlights.  I guess my three-cell MagLite is now considered a hi cap.

[TMF]

*shrug* a whole lot of white folks are being targeted for violence, because of the color of their skin.

Hard to ignore it considering how much "fuss" the other side makes when they feel even slightly victimized (or remotely offended).

I'd say it's probably going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better, there will be a tipping point where some white folks will eventually start killing them back.

Be prepared.

Luckily for me I don't interpret a situation based on the emotional reactions of "the other side" in a reversed situation. I just don't see how JJ and Sharpton's race baiting means that I automatically have to make assumptions as well about all blacks when a couple of black guys beat a white person to death. Maybe it is racially motivated, but so what? Why should that change anything? The guy is still dead. Who do I have to be mad at other than the little monsters who did this and the breeders that raised them?

Trust me, if the state of Washington asked me to be the executioner on this I'd not hesitate to get my hands bloody delivering justice, but I have no anger at anyone except for those responsible. Making this about race is just as bad as the race baiters. The moral high ground has better fields of fire. That's where "our side" needs to be.

[TerryW]

The moral high ground has better fields of fire. That's where "our side" needs to be.

 

 

All due respect, I like that planet, I just don't think it's the one we are on. 

 

Plane and simple, it IS about race and I'm not the one that started it. 

Edited August 23, 2013 by TerryW

[Duck]

Make sure this story does not die. Tell everyone about this. The Zimmerman self defense case got blew out of proportion because they let it. Let's let this one make the news for years to come.

[TMF]

All due respect, I like that planet, I just don't think it's the one we are on.

Plane and simple, it IS about race and I'm not the one that started it.

If it is about race, what does it change about this case? What does it change about anything else?

[mav]

Luckily for me I don't interpret a situation based on the emotional reactions of "the other side" in a reversed situation. I just don't see how JJ and Sharpton's race baiting means that I automatically have to make assumptions as well about all blacks when a couple of black guys beat a white person to death. Maybe it is racially motivated, but so what? Why should that change anything? The guy is still dead. Who do I have to be mad at other than the little monsters who did this and the breeders that raised them?

Trust me, if the state of Washington asked me to be the executioner on this I'd not hesitate to get my hands bloody delivering justice, but I have no anger at anyone except for those responsible. Making this about race is just as bad as the race baiters. The moral high ground has better fields of fire. That's where "our side" needs to be.

 

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that nobody should stereotype all blacks based the actions of few.  To do so really makes one no different than poverty pimps like Jackson and Sharpton.  However, I believe it is a mistake to not recognize race in this situation when taken in conjunction with recent black on white crimes.  The reason I believe this should be acknowledged is for decades the media and political class have suppressed personal accountability/responsibility and promoted victimization within the black community.  Their actions have led to poor parenting, 72% out of wedlock births, and a staggering 1:15 incarceration rate of young black men.  Tragic.

 

In years past, most of the crime involving blacks (I refuse to use African-American, because I do not believe in hyphenated Americans.  We are all Americans.) was black on black crime and was concentrated in lower income urban areas.  Thanks to the actions by the social engineers within the political class, they caused the crime to spread to more affluent and typically lower crime areas (see my thread on HUD's recent proposal). 

 

When white on black crime occurs, they shout racism and demand justice.  When opposite occurs, it is almost total silence.  I believe people are getting sick and tired of the blatant double standard.  I would also argue that whitewashing the latter is very dangerous in that it obscures the underlying cause of the problem, which is an overreaching federal government.

 

I have no problem recognizing race in this situation in addition to recognizing it in numerous other black on white crimes.  I don't do it out of any bias or prejudice.  I recognize it solely as an acknowledgement that the government's vile and down-right immoral actions the past several decades have created a disaster, especially within the teenage/young adult black community.  It is my belief that we will never see any improvement until society accepts that fact. 

 

As a side note, I want to post an excerpt of Dr. Bill Cosby's speech he gave at a 2004 NAACP convention.  I enjoyed his speech, and thought he was right on.  It was unfortunate that he was criticized for his remarks by so many.

 

 

“They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.
I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain’t,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be…
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something?

Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa …..

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ……… And all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard..
We cannot blame the white people any longer.’

 

Accepting personal responsibility and getting government out of people's lives is really the only way this will ever be fixed.

Edited August 24, 2013 by mav

[Randall53]

Morality is deteriorating rapidly in many people and since it is the driving force of decency and love for your fellow man, every thing good is going down the tubes at an accelerated rate

We ain't seen nothing yet....

[Dustbuster]

News flash from al jazeera :
the 2 teens that were arrested and released after killing a WWII vet,were found today bound and gagged in a abandoned apartment in Sanford Florida. Next door to the local VFW.The two were apparently killed when someone inserted industrial soldering irons into each of their lower extremities plugged the irons into a wall socket which roasted the suspects from the inside out while they were bound and handcuffed with rusty barbed wire....

They took the site down after I found this.

[TMF]

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that nobody should stereotype all blacks based the actions of few.  To do so really makes one no different than poverty pimps like Jackson and Sharpton.  However, I believe it is a mistake to not recognize race in this situation when taken in conjunction with recent black on white crimes.  The reason I believe this should be acknowledged is for decades the media and political class have suppressed personal accountability/responsibility and promoted victimization within the black community.  Their actions have led to poor parenting, 72% out of wedlock births, and a staggering 1:15 incarceration rate of young black men.  Tragic.

 

In years past, most of the crime involving blacks (I refuse to use African-American, because I do not believe in hyphenated Americans.  We are all Americans.) was black on black crime and was concentrated in lower income urban areas.  Thanks to the actions by the social engineers within the political class, they caused the crime to spread to more affluent and typically lower crime areas (see my thread on HUD's recent proposal). 

 

When white on black crime occurs, they shout racism and demand justice.  When opposite occurs, it is almost total silence.  I believe people are getting sick and tired of the blatant double standard.  I would also argue that whitewashing the latter is very dangerous in that it obscures the underlying cause of the problem, which is an overreaching federal government.

 

I have no problem recognizing race in this situation in addition to recognizing it in numerous other black on white crimes.  I don't do it out of any bias or prejudice.  I recognize it solely as an acknowledgement that the government's vile and down-right immoral actions the past several decades have created a disaster, especially within the teenage/young adult black community.  It is my belief that we will never see any improvement until society accepts that fact. 

 

There is nothing I disagree with there.  I'm sure at some point I've said very similar things.  It is not as if I don't acknowledge that racism exists in black communities.  Jesse Jackson wouldn't have a job if it didn't.  I can also see that all the recent racial discontent being sown by this administration by getting involved with cases like Zimmerman is stoking the fires.  It reminds me of the stories I heard from Iraqis in regard to how Saddam kept the Sunnis and Shias hating each other.  They both saw what he was doing, but they couldn't rise above it.

 

I do believe that there are crimes being carried out on whites by blacks due to race alone.  There is the perceived victimization by whites that many blacks are raised to believe.  It's only natural that once males arrive to the testosterone age that they would start lashing out at what they believed to be their enemy. 

 

Even though I can see all that, I still can't bring myself to make this a race issue.  It is an ignorance issue.  When we call something a race issue it means we apply it to all people of that race.  I certainly don't believe that the black folks I know have any intention of involving themselves in a race war against whites any more than I would want to hurt them in a race war against blacks.  I just don't get that part.  Jesse Jackson gets up and says racist comments such as "white people are blah blah blah".  That is an all inclusive statement.  If he was only referring to white racists he would simply refer to them as the minority that they are; folks who are racists against blacks.  He doesn't though, and that's why he is a flaming racist.  I don't see how it is different for a white person to suggest that "black people hate whites" because that is also all inclusive. 

 

We could say that there are racist black folks out there, and there are, but condemning an entire race to be "their side" is not something I could be on board with.  Plowing through a crowd of protesters blocking the interstate, well now you're getting into something I'm on board with.  Executing people who kill innocent old WWII vets.. yeah, all day long I could swing that ax.  Blaming blacks as a whole?.. not so much.  If I was black I'd want nothing to do with these types of people and would be pretty pissed if someone suggested that I am partly responsible for not policing up people who share my skin pigment.

[GoneBallistic]

 We could say that there are racist black folks out there, and there are, but condemning an entire race to be "their side" is not something I could be on board with.  Plowing through a crowd of protesters blocking the interstate, well now you're getting into something I'm on board with.  Executing people who kill innocent old WWII vets.. yeah, all day long I could swing that ax.  Blaming blacks as a whole?.. not so much.  If I was black I'd want nothing to do with these types of people and would be pretty pissed if someone suggested that I am partly responsible for not policing up people who share my skin pigment.

Exactly. But I haven't heard of one black person who is pissed. Not once have I heard a black person denounce this crime or any other black on white crime. Not saying they're all violent or all racist. But it seems to me that the vast majority hold at least some animosity towards "the white man". If they didn't, they would be making it extremely clear that these thugs are the exception to the rule.

[RichardR]

Exactly. But I haven't heard of one black person who is pissed. Not once have I heard a black person denounce this crime or any other black on white crime. Not saying they're all violent or all racist. But it seems to me that the vast majority hold at least some animosity towards "the white man". If they didn't, they would be making it extremely clear that these thugs are the exception to the rule.

Bill Cosby is about the only one that I am aware of & he has been widely denounced as being "self-hating" whatever that means.

[GoneBallistic]

Bill Cosby is about the only one that I am aware of & he has been widely denounced as being "self-hating" whatever that means.

I would interpret that to mean that he's "turning against his race". He's saying what's right and he'll catch hell from people like JJ, Sharpton, and Wright for it. He doesn't fit their agenda.

[GoneBallistic]

I would like to hear Dr. Ben Carson's thoughts on this. I'm sure the media would never relay them to us but I'm sure he feels the same way most of us do. I hope he runs for President in '16. I would vote for that man in a heartbeat.