Do you carry with a round in the chamber?

[bubbiesdad]

This was a poll on another board.

My vote is yes. Otherwise what's the point of carrying?

Edited August 18, 2008 by bubbiesdad
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[Guest bkelm18]

Yes. A gun is useless without one.

[Guest sling]

Ditto. 1911 - one in the pipe safety on.... anything else thats DA\SA - round in pipe hammer down.

[Smith]

NO, nor do I carry my knife with a blade attached. Just too dangerous.

[bubbiesdad]

NO, nor do I carry my knife with a blade attached. Just too dangerous.

GOOD ONE

[Guest Revelator]

My brother is in the military. He works in some kind of medical logistics with the Navy. Last time we were at our parents' house I told him I carried and showed him my pistol. When I advised him there was a round in the chamber he said, "You carry in condition one?" I had never heard of "condition one" and said yeah, whatever that means. He suggested I not carry like that and he also suggested, inexplicably, that I carry just eight rounds in my 10-round magazine. He'll always be my brother, but I thought this was just a little strange.

Actually I'm not sure what condition I carry in. I have an M&P with one in the chamber, no safety. Is that one, or zero, or what?

[Guest bkelm18]

With the M&P, round in the chamber with the striker "cocked" is condition one I believe.

[Guest Brian@GunDepot]

Yep... 16 in the mag, 1 in the pipe... guaranteed to ruin a BG's day.

[Guest sling]

With the M&P, round in the chamber with the striker "cocked" is condition one I believe.

Same with the glock. You are correct.

Why only 8 in a 10 rnd mag?

...them and their fascination with safeties on their all their pistols.

[Guest Verbal Kint]

For those that may not know about the different "carry conditions"... here's an article I found awhile back while searching.

Link to Entire Article

Condition One: Ready To Rock

In Condition One, the pistol has a cartridge in the chamber and a fall magazine inserted into the magazine well. This state of readiness occurs just prior to firing the gun.

In Condition One, a Glock handgun is brought into action simply by being brought on target. When placed on the trigger, the shooter's finger disengages the safety lever located in the middle of the trigger.

In Condition One, 1911 pistols are in a mechanical state commonly called "cocked and locked." In this mode, the hammer is back and the thumb safety is up and in a locked or "safe" no-fire position. The magazine is full and in place.

To bring into action, the 1911 is brought on target, the thumb safety depressed into fire mode and the trigger is accessed. The 1911 also requires that the grip safety located at the back of the frame be depressed in order to fire the pistol.

In Condition One, a firearm is in its fullest state of readiness. The operator is simply required to draw or present the pistol to the threat and apply the mechanics necessary to make the pistol fire. Condition One would be a correct choice when it is necessary to carry the pistol in a state of readiness for potential imminent use.

Condition Two: Dangerous And Awkward

In Condition Two, the pistol has a cartridge in the chamber and a full magazine in place. Glocks cannot be carried in Condition Two as they have no external hammer. When a 1911 is carried in Condition Two, the thumb safety is off and the hammer is down. The grip safety is still in place but does not come into play until the hammer is brought back for firing.

This Condition of Carry offers the dual disadvantage of being both dangerous and awkward. To bring the pistol into action, the operator must first cock the hammer to the rear, making this method of operation slower than the "cocked-and-locked" method of Condition One. Furthermore, Condition. Two could be dangerous if the hammer slips during the risky "dropping" process or if the gun itself is accidentally dropped while in this hammer-down mode. This mode of carry is not recommended under any circumstances.

Condition Three: Is It Child Proof?

In Condition Three the chamber is empty and a full magazine is in place in the magazine well. Condition Three is applicable in both the 1911 and Glock systems and is a common method of carry for military organizations around the world.

The Israelis have gone so far as to include drawing, crouching and reciprocating the slide as a technique of instruction. U.S. military units have long carried pistols in this half-loaded configuration while walking or serving on guard- and duty-stations. U.S. military sentries have even developed a technique of one-handed drawing by reciprocating the slide on the belt or holster to charge the weapon.

It has been suggested that Condition Three is a safe condition in which to store a handgun in a child-occupied home. This theory is based on the assumption that a youngster could not easily reciprocate the slide and thereby load the weapon.

To dispel that myth, I personally know of a young couple whose 3-year-old daughter gained access to their Government Model 1911, cycled the slide and discharged the firearm in the bedroom closet. Fortunately, no one was injured, although everyone involved was quite shaken by the incident.

For this reason, I recommend that Condition Three is appropriate for firearm storage only if the half-loaded guns function as secondary weapons and are stored in locked vaults or lock boxes.

Condition Four: Ultimate Security

In Condition Four, which applies to all handguns, the gun is completely unloaded and the magazine is removed. In its most technically correct form, the slide of the pistol should be locked to the rear. This condition should be used when inspecting firearms as well as storing them in secure areas. For long-term storage, it is best to put the pistol into Condition Four, making sure that it is unloaded, and then bring the slide forward to rest with the hammer down.

[Mr. Brooks]

Same with the glock. You are correct.

Why only 8 in a 10 rnd mag?

Must be the military's training or something... them and their fascination with safeties on their all their pistols.

It's a fairly common belief that if you carry your magazine at less then full capacity (ex: 8 in 10 rnd mag) that the spring won't wear out as fast.

[Guest bkelm18]

It's a fairly common belief that if you carry your magazine at less then full capacity (ex: 8 in 10 rnd mag) that the spring won't wear out as fast.

Yeah, a common false belief. It's the compression and decompression of the spring that causes it to wear out after probably thousands of cycles. Simply subtracting two rounds from it will do nothing to reduce wear.

[Guest sermon8r]

www.snopesfirearmslegends.com

or something like it

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It's a fairly common belief that if you carry your magazine at less then full capacity (ex: 8 in 10 rnd mag) that the spring won't wear out as fast.

Edited August 18, 2008 by sermon8r
clear it up

[TGO David]

I carry in "Condition Obama" ... with my guns safely held by the United Nations. To defend myself, I use harsh language, empty threats, rude gestures and sanctions against my attacker's home country.

[Guest Verbal Kint]

[deerslayer]

Hmmm...I've never seen condition 2 (one in the chamber/hammer down) described as "dangerous." Maybe I read it wrong, but I believe condition 2 is how most double action auto users carry. He doesn't really describe how cond. 2 relates to DAs. While I'm not a fan of DA first shot/SA thereafter and got rid of my SIGs for this reason, I don't see how they can be dangerous. Maybe he is simply describing how the conditions relate to a 1911.

[Guest canynracer]

I carry my M&P ready to fire. Otherwise, I would be carrying a paperweight.

[Guest bkelm18]

Hmmm...I've never seen condition 2 (one in the chamber/hammer down) described as "dangerous." Maybe I read it wrong, but I believe condition 2 is how most double action auto users carry. He doesn't really describe how cond. 2 relates to DAs. While I'm not a fan of DA first shot/SA thereafter and got rid of my SIGs for this reason, I don't see how they can be dangerous. Maybe he is simply describing how the conditions relate to a 1911.

Those conditions were first used to describe 1911s I'm pretty sure so they don't directly correlate to anything else. Condition 2 I would think only applies to SA pistols.

[Guest sling]

www.snopesfirearmslegends.com

It's a fairly common belief that if you carry your magazine at less then full capacity (ex: 8 in 10 rnd mag) that the spring won't wear out as fast.

Absolute crock.

[deerslayer]

Those conditions were first used to describe 1911s I'm pretty sure so they don't directly correlate to anything else. Condition 2 I would think only applies to SA pistols.

Ok, I read the rest of the linked article, and the writer was apparently relating conditions to just 1911s and Glocks. However, I still think condition 2 is commonly used by DA auto users.

[Guest bkelm18]

Ok, I read the rest of the linked article, and the writer was apparently relating conditions to just 1911s and Glocks. However, I still think condition 2 is commonly used by DA auto users.

I dunno. I think the point of condition 2 is rendering the firearm safe or unable to fire by de-cocking the hammer, which you can't do with SA/DA (it can still be fired with the hammer decocked) or striker fired pistols like Glocks/XD since you can't have a round in the chamber and decock the striker at the same time.

[robbiev]

Ok, I read the rest of the linked article, and the writer was apparently relating conditions to just 1911s and Glocks. However, I still think condition 2 is commonly used by DA auto users.

I believe one of the reasons condition 2 is considered unsafe (in relation to 1911s) is that you have to load a round, then thumb the hammer down on a live round.

[Guest FroggyOne2]

Ah Yeaaaaaaaaah!

[fizik]

This is only around the house 'til my permit gets here, so take it for what it's worth.

I carry my Glock in condition one, according to that (although I've always just called that 'loaded' or 'loaded with one in the hole'), and my DA/SA guns in condition two. Nothing dangerous about that for me, just the guy that comes in my house without permission .

[fizik]

And who voted no? Just out of curiosity as to why, unless you've trained to rack the slide when drawing. I used to do that only when I got my Glock and was unsure about the lack of external safety.