Oh lord...

[whitewolf001]

I already have my opinions but what do you fellers think of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qv-D7hyWKs

Edited July 3, 2013 by whitewolf001

[whitewolf001]

Also don't mind the rap music in the background... it's the video where you need to be paying attention to.

[Joseg]

I'm a dog guy, not a fan of the dog getting shot, especially a good looking Rottweiler (puppy) too .. The dog reacted like any dog would do when their owner is being handled roughly.. Note, I didn't say man handled, just roughly, he complied and turned around and let them cuff him, anything after that was not called for. Now the question to ask what was he getting arrested for and what's up with the ARs?

[maroonandwhite]

I'd have to know more about why he was cuffed in the first place to form an opinion but at face value I don't think the dog had to be shot. Based on the fact that the guy was already cuffed I don't think he was going anywhere. They could have backed off a bit and told him to call the dog off. That's just from my armchair perspective though. I may or may not have done things differently.

 

Either way I hate that an innocent animal was killed trying to protect his owner.

[knewcomb]

Looks like he was getting cuffed for noncompliance. Seems there was a raid or something going on. Either way, the dog is dead because of its owner. He had plenty of opportunity to just leave but he didnt. Didnt roll up the windows or secure the dog. Like a good dog, it wanted to protect its owner. Was the cop suppose to let the dog maul his arm? I think not. This wasnt your friendly neighborhood lab.

[Garufa]

Here's the "story" behind the situation.

 

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Video-Shows-Hawthorne-Police-Killing-Dog-While-Arresting-Its-Owner-213941491.html

 

My question is this: can a dog not be pepper-sprayed?

Edited July 3, 2013 by Garufa

[knewcomb]

As maroonandwhite said, its easy to sit back and armchair this situation. Could spray be used? Could a taser be used? Better question, could the owner have minded his own business and went on his way and not harrased the cops who were obviously on police business? If a dog lunges at me, and im carrying, thats a dead dog. This wasnt some cop just shooting some dog for no reason. Its a 100lb rott who was in the act of lunging. Its unfortunate that the dog had to die but I dont blame the officer one bit.

[RobertNashville]

Maybe I'm just noticing more or maybe it's getting reported more but there seems to be an increase in the past few years of police/LEO shooting dogs at things like traffic stops, serving warrants, etc.

Sometimes this is clearly understandable but many times they are shooting dogs that couldn't possibly present a risk to anyone (other than irritating their eardrums)...that just isn't right.

[maroonandwhite]

I tend to agree with Garufa. A police officers unit dog is treated the same as a human officer. With that in mind shouldn't any dog be treated with the same mentality as you would a human. If an angry 200lb man starts wailing on a cop they don't automatically shoot the guy. You have pepper-spray, tasers, etc. Again I wasn't there so I don't know how I would have reacted but I just have to think this dog didn't have to be shot.

Edited July 3, 2013 by maroonandwhite

[Erik88]

I'm generally on the side of LEO's because they are faced with situations I would never want to be in. In this scenario however, it seemed like the dog wasn't hell bent on attacking the officers and could have been handled better. The entire situation sucks and I hate seeing that poor dog suffer.

[Tedro2022]

Like Eric88 said, I hate seeing that dog suffer. That cop just fired 3 to 4 shots at point blank range and couldn't put one in its head to put it down without it having to suffer?
Don't get me wrong, that dog is dead because of its owner, but I think it could have been handled a bit differently.
I'm a dog guy, what can I say?


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[vontar]

 Better question, could the owner have minded his own business and went on his way and not harrased the cops who were obviously on police business?

 

Looked like he was a good ways away from the officers and they came to him.  I didn't see him harass the officers.

Why did he have to be hand cuffed is my question. 

 

Seems like they could have just told him to move along. oblivious other people were recording.

 

I guess I don't see PC for the owner to have been detained at all from what I saw.

Sure armchair quarter back and only know what I can see in the video.

 

I believe the music and audio we are hearing in that video has been dubbed over, as I saw it the other day with out that.

[knewcomb]

The shooting occurred about 7:15 p.m. Sunday at 137th Street and Jefferson Avenue about two hours after police surrounded a house where a gunman had robbed two people inside. A crowd of spectators gathered in response to the large police response, which included several police


Hawthorne resident Leon Rosby describes the moment his dog was shot numerous times by Hawthorne police. (Robert Casillas/Staff Photographer)
cars and the department's Bearcat armored vehicle.
As some, including resident Gabriel Martinez, aimed their cellphones at the scene to record it, Rosby drove up in his rented black Mazda. Swain said Rosby stopped in the intersection with music blaring from his windows. Officers told him to turn down the music because they were trying to hear what was happening down the street. Rosby pulled forward, parked and got out with his dog, but left the music still playing loudly.

"It's distracting the officers," Swain said. "It's interfering with what they are able to hear. It's not just a party call. It's an armed robbery call. The officers need to hear what's going on with the people being called out of the residence. That music in


Hawthorne resident Leon Rosby talks about his encounter with Hawthorne Police Sunday at 137th St. and Jefferson Ave. that ended with his Rottweiler Max being shot to death by officers. Rosby stands near the blood spattered sidewalk where his dog was killed. (Robert Casillas / Staff Photographer)
his car is bleeding over and it's distracting them."
Martinez said the Usher song "Tell Me Again" was looping over and over.

Rosby, who pulled out his own cellphone to record the police activity, did not lower the volume.

"I do apologize if I didn't immediately comply. The music may have been a little loud but I was complying," Rosby said. "I said, 'Sir, I want to make sure nobody's civil rights were being violated.' "

A neighbor, who asked not to be identified, said the officers asked him to turn the music down, but he refused. Rosby, she said, responded, "It's my (expletive) radio!"

Rosby, 52, denied cursing, saying he was a Christian.

 

When I say harrasing, I mean he was interfering with active police business. He wasnt arrested for recording. 

[Guest Keal G Seo]

Torn on it. Ultimately it was the owners fault: 1 Tempting the cops to do something and 2 Not fully securing the dog in the vehicle. Then in combination of these you should always expect your dog to react to you being endangered (in their eyes) even if it is the sweetest and most thunder scared dog on the planet, it is instinctual pack mentality. On the other hand I have to blame the cops on excessive force. If the dog were an immediate threat it would not have hesitated on the first charge. They all also saw the dog exit the vehicle but instead of reaching for pepper spray they immediately went for side arms.

As for why they were cuffing him...I am willing to bet they didn't know what they were charging him with yet. Also willing to bet they just wanted the video. As for being able to hear their radios, B***S***! I have never heard a non-competitive sound system that could muffle a radio from 40-60 feet away. Yeah they are annoying but not THAT loud.

[knewcomb]

Here is a screengrab right before the shot. The dog is literally inches from the cops arm with his mouth wide open.

 

 

 

They may have not had pepper spray. Even if they did have it, its not unreasonable to think that it may not stop the dog trying to protect its master. IMO, its a terrible situation, but a dog like that can do serious damage to human flesh. It wasnt shot until it was literally right on the officer with his mouth open ready to bite. They didnt shoot it as soon as it popped out of the car.

[TMF]

Usually I give LEOs the benefit of the doubt.  Once again Kommiefornia cops have proven they don't deserve the assumption of innocence.  First, I didn't know it was illegal to record police officers.  Almost certain there is a place in the Constitution that addresses that.  Second, this man was on his way and they chose to detain him for no good reason and roughly handle him, then act surprised that the dog (which the owner was given NO opportunity to secure) became aggressive.

 

Sorry, these cops deserve to rot in hell for eternity.  What f***ing pieces of sh** decide to become cops just so they can f*** with people.  This group of f***wads do not represent the LEOs I know.  They are a disgrace, and a shining example of what we have to expect out of California. 

[Sam1]

Love dogs, but that thing started to go after the cop..  You can clearly see them try to get the leash of the dog, then it got violent and they put it down.

 

This one shouldn't even be a news story, and what the guy was doing to get cuffed is irrelevant cause that dog could have just as easily been going after a kid instead of the cop and them having no way to defend themselves.

Edited July 4, 2013 by Sam1

[knewcomb]

Usually I give LEOs the benefit of the doubt.  Once again Kommiefornia cops have proven they don't deserve the assumption of innocence.  First, I didn't know it was illegal to record police officers.  Almost certain there is a place in the Constitution that addresses that.  Second, this man was on his way and they chose to detain him for no good reason and roughly handle him, then act surprised that the dog (which the owner was given NO opportunity to secure) became aggressive.

 

Sorry, these cops deserve to rot in hell for eternity.  What f***ing pieces of sh** decide to become cops just so they can f*** with people.  This group of f***wads do not represent the LEOs I know.  They are a disgrace, and a shining example of what we have to expect out of California. 

 

He wasnt cuffed for recording. He was cuffed for noncompliance, which was completely justified given the situation. If you have an armed suspect held up with hostages you dont need some idiot blaring his music just to be an ass, He had plenty of time to secure his dog. He shoved it in the car and didnt bother to tie it down or roll the windows up, Roughly? They didnt chase him down, he met them. He should have used that time to tie the dog down or roll his windows up and let them come to him, 

[TMF]

He wasnt cuffed for recording. He was cuffed for noncompliance, which was completely justified given the situation. If you have an armed suspect held up with hostages you dont need some idiot blaring his music just to be an ass, He had plenty of time to secure his dog. He shoved it in the car and didnt bother to tie it down or roll the windows up, Roughly? They didnt chase him down, he met them. He should have used that time to tie the dog down or roll his windows up and let them come to him, 

 

We weren't watching the same video.  What I saw was this guy trying to put his dog up in his car and cops approaching him to detain him.  The owner was attempting to comply to the officer's demands to come towards them.  How was he supposed to know he was going to be arrested for committing no crime?  If two cops approached me and told me to come towards them I would not hesitate to comply.  This man was clearly cooperating, the officers made no attempt to try and peacefully control the situation by allowing this man to properly secure his animal.  If it were my dog you'd be damn certain she would attack anyone handling me in such a manner.  These cops were clearly rough with him, unnecessarily as he was complying, and still I'm trying to figure out what crime he was committing.  He was in a place he had a legal right to be doing something he had a legal right to do (recording police activity). 

 

A COP THAT IS AFRAID OF BEING VIDEO TAPED IS A BAD COP!  No if, ands or buts about that.  If there is nothing to hide there is no reason to have a problem with being taped. 

[knewcomb]

Why do you keep bringing up him recording? Thats not why he was being detained. There were plenty individuals there recording. Nothing was said to them

[TMF]

Why do you keep bringing up him recording? Thats not why he was being detained. There were plenty individuals there recording. Nothing was said to them

 

He was recording.  He then ceased recording and attempted to leave.  Only when he was getting loaded into his car did the cops decide to approach and detain him.  Could you please tell me what law he was breaking?  And yes, there were other people recording but he was the only one close enough to get good video of how the detainee those two cops were guarding was being treated.  I couldn't tell by the video we were watching if there was wrongdoing regarding that detainee, but perhaps there was something going on that this citizen decided was relevant to record.  What law was he breaking to require that he be arrested, especially since he was clearly going to leave in his car? 

 

The only thing I can figure out is the cops didn't like his comments about violating another person's civil rights and they decided they were going to cuff and stuff him.  Tough guys those cops are.  If where they were was supposed to be was a secure area then it is on the PD for doing a poor job of setting up a proper cordon and limiting access.  I didn't see this guy break any laws.  I just see him doing what the Constitution says are his God given rights and being cuffed for it.  These cops were douches and the trigger happy one got his kill.  Serving and protecting the #### out of us once again.

Edited July 4, 2013 by TMF

[knewcomb]

Once again, he wasnt being detained for recording. He was being detained because he didnt turn the music down after they had asked him to. It was causing a disturbance with active police business. Its called noncompliance. Thats what law he was breaking. Recording had absolutely nothing. He was purposefully interferring. Do a little background on him and you will find a history of this.

[Daniel]

The cops didnt have a detainee. They were overwatching and trying to listen to activity down the block. The guy was asked repeatedly to turn his music down. He was asked to turn it down before he even got out of his car. Im with the cops on this one. I would have shot the dog as well.

 

 

TMF, are you telling me your team never killed a dog that was attempting to attack one of your guys? Fallujah was crawling with them. After we left I had a friend who was in the Marines during the battle. They had to kill them on sight there were so many.

Edited July 4, 2013 by Daniel

[TMF]

Once again, he wasnt being detained for recording. He was being detained because he didnt turn the music down after they had asked him to. It was causing a disturbance with active police business. Its called noncompliance. Thats what law he was breaking. Recording had absolutely nothing. He was purposefully interferring. Do a little background on him and you will find a history of this.

 

Music.  It sounded like everyone and his cousin were out there watching this and driving by.  How do you know it was his music?  Secondly, he was about to leave, as indicated by putting his dog up.  If they were so concerned about his music why not come over and tell him to turn it down.  I never heard any commands by either of these officers to turn any music down, so I don't know where you're getting that from, and furthermore, if it was him it makes no sense that they're going to arrest him when he is about to remove the "violation" from the environment.  If they were so concerned about music (and apparently it was his according to you) why not just let him go on his way and take his music with him? 

 

It's clear what was going on here.  These two douchenozzles got pissed about their "authoritaaah" not being respected so they flexed their nuts and ended up shooting a dumb animal that didn't know any better and was left with no options. 

[TMF]

 

 

TMF, are you telling me your team never killed a dog that was attempting to attack one of your guys? Fallujah was crawling with them. After we left I had a friend who was in the Marines during the battle. They had to kill them on sight there were so many.

 

I am a dog lover, but yes, I have killed many dogs downrange.  This here is a different story.  First, the owner was responsible enough to have his dog leashed and even was putting him up when the officers commanded him over to cuff him.  If I was in a similar situation and saw a large animal I would direct the owner to secure him before taking him into custody.  I realize that delves into the realm of Monday morning quarterbacking, but how else did they see that going down?  At a minimum, I would be uncuffing that dude with the quickness to try and get him to control his dog.  I don't want to have to shoot a dog.  I have mentally blocked the category of Iraqi dogs as to make them not equal to US dogs, but to be honest I know they are the same and I feel horrible about the ones I killed even though there was a purpose behind it.  I don't think this dog fits in the same category; he wasn't a wild animal left to run loose.  He was being walked on a leash up until he was placed in the car and prepared to leave.  The cops chose to then go after this guy although he was leaving.  If it was his music and they did tell him to turn it down they why make it an issue when he was going to remove the music from the equation?

Edited July 4, 2013 by TMF