Weed, fights and guns: Trayvon Martin’s text messages released

[Garufa]

I keep tellin' ya. It was all about thunder thighs getting reelected. :)

 

That is offensive to the Big Legged Women Society of America.

[Joseg]

So, I'm catching up. looks like the Prosecution is needing a life line, Good Ole Jessie and Sharpton will be down soon to start protesting that the case was rigged.. 

[TMF]

Anyone watch the full testimony of the original investigator today? I caught a few sound bytes on JVM, and heard the investigator say he believed Zimmerman's story. Did anyone ask why he then recommended charges to the DA? Would really like to know what he said if he did.

[TripleDigitRide]

Anyone watch the full testimony of the original investigator today? I caught a few sound bytes on JVM, and heard the investigator say he believed Zimmerman's story. Did anyone ask why he then recommended charges to the DA? Would really like to know what he said if he did.

I watched/listened to most of today's events, especially the last few hours.

 

The original investigator/detective was a huge help for Zimmerman, especially the last few questions. He admitted on more than one occasion that he was feeling pressure from "outside sources", and that he was rushed by said sources. He didn't name names. 

 

If the very last question and answer didn't put the nail in the prosecution's coffin, I don't know what will. 

 

The prosecutor was making every effort to stop the defense from hammering it home, but he was getting rejected almost every step of the way. You could tell by the tone of his voice that he was taking a beating.

Edited July 2, 2013 by TripleDigitRide

[Oh Shoot]

Anyone watch the full testimony of the original investigator today? I caught a few sound bytes on JVM, and heard the investigator say he believed Zimmerman's story. Did anyone ask why he then recommended charges to the DA? Would really like to know what he said if he did.

 

Zim wasn't charged by the local DA. Done from the state level after all the hoopla, including BHO's.

 

So Christopher Serino recommended that Zim be charged at the very beginning, even though he wasn't?

 

- OS

Edited July 2, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[Pain103]

He wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter because he didn't feel there was enough there to say it was self defense just based on his visible injuries. From what I've seen so far of the trial there is no way beyond a reasonable doubt can be met unless the jury has been pressured or they judge him through the media court.

Also did anybody notice when they showed his statement form on national tv they showed his license number and social securoty number? Then something was said the prosecution was like oh yea I'll cover that.

[Oh Shoot]

He wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter because he didn't feel there was enough there to say it was self defense just based on his visible injuries....

 

Thanks, didn't know that.

[QuietDan]

I watched/listened to most of today's events, especially the last few hours.

 

The original investigator/detective was a huge help for Zimmerman, especially the last few questions. He admitted on more than one occasion that he was feeling pressure from "outside sources", and that he was rushed by said sources. He didn't name names. 

 

If the very last question and answer didn't put the nail in the prosecution's coffin, I don't know what will. 

 

The prosecutor was making every effort to stop the defense from hammering it home, but he was getting rejected almost every step of the way. You could tell by the tone of his voice that he was taking a beating.

 

 

I'm waiting for defense attorney O'Mara to ask: "What are the names of the individuals and the organizations, the 'outside sources,' that were pressuring you?"

 

I want to hear the answer to that question or questions. And then, I want the judge to bring the trial to a quick "not guilty" conclusion.

Edited July 2, 2013 by QuietDan

[TripleDigitRide]

He wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter 

I must have missed that part, because I didn't hear Serino mention anything about wanting to charge Zimmerman with any crime, even Manslaughter.

[TMF]

I must have missed that part, because I didn't hear Serino mention anything about wanting to charge Zimmerman with any crime, even Manslaughter.

 

Crap, I wish I could remember the sound byte.  I didn't get to watch the testimony, just what HLN was throwing at me on JVM.  An interesting show to watch tonight.  But there was a sound byte where he said he recommended he be charged.  That has been the issue from the start, and to give insight into how I felt regarding it was that I trust the opinion of the guy on the ground more than I trust the DA.  Now he is saying that he believes/believed him.  I'm confused on many levels. 

[TMF]

Zim wasn't charged by the local DA. Done from the state level after all the hoopla, including BHO's.

 

So Christopher Serino recommended that Zim be charged at the very beginning, even though he wasn't?

 

- OS

 

No, the DA didn't charge him.  The officers investigating the shooting recommended charges.  Now he is saying that he believed Zman.  WTF?

[TripleDigitRide]

Crap, I wish I could remember the sound byte.  I didn't get to watch the testimony, just what HLN was throwing at me on JVM.  An interesting show to watch tonight.  But there was a sound byte where he said he recommended he be charged.  That has been the issue from the start, and to give insight into how I felt regarding it was that I trust the opinion of the guy on the ground more than I trust the DA.  Now he is saying that he believes/believed him.  I'm confused on many levels. 

Did he mention wanting to charge him with manslaughter in court, or was that mentioned before the trial began? He clearly had a different tune today. What part I saw, anyway.

[TMF]

 

If the very last question and answer didn't put the nail in the prosecution's coffin, I don't know what will. 

 

I saw that clip.  It is over.  There is no way Zman will get convicted after that showing.  I think it is clear now that the prosecution didn't have anything significant despite my belief they would have to or else this would be an epic embarrassment. 

[TripleDigitRide]

No, the DA didn't charge him.  The officers investigating the shooting recommended charges.  Now he is saying that he believed Zman.  WTF?

I suspect that goes back to the whole "I was feeling pressure from outside sources."

[TMF]

Did he mention wanting to charge him with manslaughter in court, or was that mentioned before the trial began? He clearly had a different tune today. What part I saw, anyway.

 

It came out before the case.  Today I'm not sure if I'm remembering it wrong or not on whether it was a sound byte from his testimony or if it was on the ticker on the bottom of the screen on HLN while they ran the tape.  He did recommend charges though, and the DA said "no".

[mikegideon]

No, the DA didn't charge him.  The officers investigating the shooting recommended charges.  Now he is saying that he believed Zman.  WTF?

 

I think there was more than one officer, and they were split. I recall that from early on. Did they interview more than one today?

[mikegideon]

It came out before the case.  Today I'm not sure if I'm remembering it wrong or not on whether it was a sound byte from his testimony or if it was on the ticker on the bottom of the screen on HLN while they ran the tape.  He did recommend charges though, and the DA said "no".

 

Headline news is looking at it thru Dave colored glasses :)

[TripleDigitRide]

It came out before the case. Today I'm not sure if I'm remembering it wrong or not on whether it was a sound byte from his testimony or if it was on the ticker on the bottom of the screen on HLN while they ran the tape. He did recommend charges though, and the DA said "no".

Headline news is looking at it thru Dave colored glasses :)

I wouldn't expect anything less.

[Oh Shoot]

I think there was more than one officer, and they were split. I recall that from early on. Did they interview more than one today?

 

Yeah, a woman too. Nothing she said hurt him at all.

 

- OS

[TMF]

Headline news is looking at it thru Dave colored glasses :)

 

Mike, you would be amazed but from what I saw it looked like even HLN was suggesting Zman should be let go on this.  I don't like JVM, but she paraded a couple of ignorant lefters that made fools of themselves while the other side made some good points, and it was actually moderated decently enough for folks to digest the testimony the way it actually came off.  That last round of testimony was the defense putting this case in a rear naked choke.  It's over.

[TripleDigitRide]

Did he mention wanting to charge him with manslaughter in court, or was that mentioned before the trial began? He clearly had a different tune today. What part I saw, anyway.

It came out before the case. Today I'm not sure if I'm remembering it wrong or not on whether it was a sound byte from his testimony or if it was on the ticker on the bottom of the screen on HLN while they ran the tape. He did recommend charges though, and the DA said "no".

I'm guessing he said it today, and I just missed it. FoxNews mentioned it in an article today. If, in fact, he did say that in front of the jury, that could be a bit damaging to the defense.

[Guest nra37922]

Mike, you would be amazed but from what I saw it looked like even HLN was suggesting Zman should be let go on this.  I don't like JVM, but she paraded a couple of ignorant lefters that made fools of themselves while the other side made some good points, and it was actually moderated decently enough for folks to digest the testimony the way it actually came off.  That last round of testimony was the defense putting this case in a rear naked choke.  It's over.

Jury could still do the politically safe thing,and this IS a political trial if there ever was one, and find him guilty.  By safe I mean they are off the hook and don't have to be looking over their shoulders for years and wouldn't be blamed for any rioting that happens.  They can do this knowing that an appeal will be immediate asked for and that GZ will eventually be found not guilty after the 'heat' turns down.

[TMF]

I'm guessing he said it today, and I just missed it. FoxNews mentioned it in an article today. If, in fact, he did say that in front of the jury, that could be a bit damaging to the defense.

Based on his last few answers to the defense I would say it won't matter unless there is significant witness testimony in store that is corroborated with evidence. Two investigating officers gave testimony today which has all the right words to put doubt in the minds of jurors. If I was on the jury there would have to be some pretty serious evidence/testimony to convict him in light of this testimony.

[TMF]

Jury could still do the politically safe thing,and this IS a political trial if there ever was one, and find him guilty. By safe I mean they are off the hook and don't have to be looking over their shoulders for years and wouldn't be blamed for any rioting that happens. They can do this knowing that an appeal will be immediate asked for and that GZ will eventually be found not guilty after the 'heat' turns down.

I don't think that is an issue. 6 people conspiring together to cast false votes? Yeah, no. For argument's sake I'll give you one, but that is a hung jury and the state would never try him again. This has been an epic embarrassment so far.

[jgradyc]

Holy cow! This is the most stunning testimony yet.

 

Chief Investigative Office Chris Serino interviewed GZ several times. Several times in several ways, O' Mara asked if Zimmerman was ever evasive. Serino: No

 

Finally, Serino conducted a challenge interview. You can hear about it beginning at 29 minutes in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJBJild06VU

Serino said there was a good chance that TM's phone had videotaped this entire incident. (He was bluffing.) He told Z things would go very bad for him if that video showed something different from what he said.

O' Mara: What did Z say?

Serino: He said, Thank God, I was hoping someone would videotape it.

O' Mara: What would that indicate:

Serino: Either telling the truth or pathological liar.

O' Mara: Any evidence in any of your interviews that he was a pathological liar?

Serino: No

O' Mara: Think he was telling the truth?

Serino: Yes

Judge: Let's recess for the day.