Weed, fights and guns: Trayvon Martin’s text messages released

[mikegideon]

The more I see, the more obvious it is why they didn't charge Zim. Hell, they gave him a 4.5 hour grilling without his even asking for a lawyer apparently. Daily it looks more and more clear that the local call on part of police/DA to not charge him was correct and reasonable.

 

- OS

 

Looked that way to me all along. Never underestimate the power of true bullshit artists.

[MattCary]

Looked that way to me all along. Never underestimate the power of true bull#### artists.

 

Same here. But what do I know? I'm just a creepy ass cracker.

[Oh Shoot]

Yeah, it's beyond obvious that the prosecution is grasping big time.

 

I'd imagine that Rionda and Guy dreaded this whole thing and knew from the beginning they're only there due to politics. A thankless job, but gotta do what the boss says.

 

I think O'Mara and West are mostly just concerned as to whether they'll actually get any real bucks out of the thing. Hell, West left his federal job to do it.

 

- OS

Edited June 28, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[mikegideon]

Same here. But what do I know? I'm just a creepy ass cracker.

 

Your bullets be crackin'?

[mikegideon]

I'd imagine that Rionda and Guy dreaded this whole thing and knew from the beginning they're only there due to politics. A thankless job, but gotta do what the boss says.

 

I think O'Mara and West are mostly just concerned as to whether they'll actually get any real bucks out of the thing. Hell, West left his federal job to do it.

 

- OS

 

O'Mara and West are getting THE best advertising that money can buy. This is F. Lee Bailey stuff.

[Oh Shoot]

O'Mara and West are getting THE best advertising that money can buy. This is F. Lee Bailey stuff.

 

Yeah, realized that, but O'Mara was already kind of in the top tier anyway wasn't he?

 

- OS

[jgradyc]

The prosecution scored some big points at the very end of today's testimony with the revelation that Zimmerman had started taking MMA classes. It wasn't clear if this was before or after the shooting. The defense had the opportunity to clarify this and couldn't. This was a tactical mistake by the defense in letting Z's medical records be part of the trial. They had a sidebar at the bench to discuss it. Obviously, the defense was not aware of this in the medical records or they would have fought harder to keep the records sealed.

 

Worse for Z, it was the last thing the jury heard before breaking for the weekend.

 

It doesn't prove anything, but it's like being up 17-0 at two mintues before halftime and letting the other team score two touchdowns right before the half.

[mikegideon]

Yeah, realized that, but O'Mara was already kind of in the top tier anyway wasn't he?

 

- OS

 

Don't know. I just know that this kind of exposure would probably cost him much more than his fees if he had to buy it.

[mikegideon]

The prosecution scored some big points at the very end of today's testimony with the revelation that Zimmerman had started taking MMA classes. It wasn't clear if this was before or after the shooting. The defense had the opportunity to clarify this and couldn't. This was a tactical mistake by the defense in letting Z's medical records be part of the trial. They had a sidebar at the bench to discuss it. Obviously, the defense was not aware of this in the medical records or they would have fought harder to keep the records sealed.

 

Worse for Z, it was the last thing the jury heard before breaking for the weekend.

 

It doesn't prove anything, but it's like being up 17-0 at two mintues before halftime and letting the other team score two touchdowns right before the half.

 

He needs to get a refund

[RichardR]

I fail to see how someone lawfully taking classes, be they MMA, karate, judo, or even handgun/firearm defensive courses, etc would have any bearing on their guilt or innocence.

Using those skills to "unlawfully" physically assault someone than potentially they could be relevant , however Trayvon had no injuries to suggest Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon, in fact there is no evidence or testimony that Zimmerman was even able to swing in defense of himself at all before during or after being attacked, knocked to the ground & his head beaten against the sidewalk.

[DaveS]

I fail to see how someone lawfully taking classes, be they MMA, karate, judo, or even handgun/firearm defensive courses, etc would have any bearing on their guilt or innocence.

Using those skills to "unlawfully" physically assault someone than potentially they could be relevant , however Trayvon had no injuries to suggest Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon, in fact there is no evidence or testimony that Zimmerman was even able to swing in defense of himself at all before during or after being attacked, knocked to the ground & his head beaten against the sidewalk.

And then....so.....he shot him.

 

Dave S

[mikegideon]

I fail to see how someone lawfully taking classes, be they MMA, karate, judo, or even handgun/firearm defensive courses, etc would have any bearing on their guilt or innocence.

Using those skills to "unlawfully" physically assault someone than potentially they could be relevant , however Trayvon had no injuries to suggest Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon, in fact there is no evidence or testimony that Zimmerman was even able to swing in defense of himself at all before during or after being attacked, knocked to the ground & his head beaten against the sidewalk.

 

I guess it's as good as anything in this BS trial. They can't convict him on real evidence, so bring on more crap.

Edited June 28, 2013 by mikegideon

[RichardR]

And then....so.....he shot him.

Dave S

You would have to.

[Guest nra37922]

Myth of martial arts is just because you get some training doesn't make you Chuck Norris.  So, Grasshopper a .45 trumps a butt-whipping.

[DaveS]

You would have to.

Maybe... 

 

Dave

[RichardR]

Maybe...

Dave

There is no "maybe" about it.

If someone had you pinned & was violently bashing your head against the sidewalk you wouldn't *think* about *maybe* shooting them, you would instantly do what ever was in your power to do in order to keep your brain-bucket from being smashed open.

[Garufa]

There is no "maybe" about it.

If someone had you pinned & was violently bashing your head against the sidewalk you wouldn't *think* about *maybe* shooting them, you would instantly do what ever was in your power to do in order to keep your brain-bucket from being smashed open.

 

 

You would think.  But then again, some would rather just have the t-shirt. 

[DaveS]

There is no "maybe" about it.

If someone had you pinned & was violently bashing your head against the sidewalk you wouldn't *think* about *maybe* shooting them, you would instantly do what ever was in your power to do in order to keep your brain-bucket from being smashed open.

Depends...always remember.....not every fight is a "gunfight". Most likely I would, depending on the situation. However, I have several bad habits I need to explain; 

1. I have a very bad habit of following rules and policies and do everything I can not to violate those polices.

2. I have a real bad habit (not now that I'm retired) of observing people and making the proper decisions on handling a suspect or situation, and wait for assistance most of the time. Nothing wrong for waiting for backup.

3. I also have a real bad habit of not sticking my nose where it doesn't belong.

4. My "pet peeve" bad habit is....NEVER bite off more than you can chew, pick your fights, and use everything to your advantage. You know, RIGHT TIME, RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT TECHNIQUE and last but not least, RIGHT TOOL. Lethal/Less than Lethal. Mainly minding your own business works real well. And not confronting someone.

5. Then use a your gun if you failed in all the above.

6. I weigh 181 pounds. I'm pretty damn sure I could man handle a 140 lb beanpole unarmed teenager. Period.

 

Now to be more direct....

If I'm walking through the walmart parking lot and some POS anti-cracker tends to do me, my family or my dog harm.....well.....

Now If I take off across the parking because I'm chasing someone who looks like a shoplifter or their up to no good, something wrong with them ect, ect, and that person issues me an ass whoop'in.....I have absolutley no right to shoot that person. See # 3 above. Observe that person from your vehicle, and report their activities to police. I have earned all the HERO awards I want. Don't need or want anymore.

 

Again; Zimmerman is the one on trial. Not me. I've made all the RIGHT decisions in my life!

Just the way it is...

 

Shock and Awe/Ground and Pound

 

Dave

Edited June 29, 2013 by DaveS

[RobertNashville]

I fail to see how someone lawfully taking classes, be they MMA, karate, judo, or even handgun/firearm defensive courses, etc would have any bearing on their guilt or innocence.

Using those skills to "unlawfully" physically assault someone than potentially they could be relevant , however Trayvon had no injuries to suggest Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon, in fact there is no evidence or testimony that Zimmerman was even able to swing in defense of himself at all before during or after being attacked, knocked to the ground & his head beaten against the sidewalk.

It doesn't have any bearing on it; at least not to a logical person.

 

Of course, the "justice for Trayvon" crowd are going to believe what they want to believe as are those who seem to think Zimmerman should go to jail for 30 years just for trying to help his community and because he wasn't smart enough to have a working crystal ball with him so he could have seen Martin's attack and decided to just keep on driving to the store like he was when he noticed a suspicious acting man in his community.

 

I used to wrestle in high school; I even won a match or two but that doesn't mean I could reverse a hold someone had on me today even if he's half my weight...taking classes on any sort of fighting discipline doesn't mean you are any good at it either even if you took them recently. It also doesn't mean that Zimmerman, even if he was an excellent MMA fighter, wasn't in legitimate fear for his life which is the primary component of justified use of deadly force for self defense.

 

You also cannot discount the element of surprise; training is great; that's why we all (I hope) train regularly but the aggressor always has an instant advantage and there has been nothing so far that actually contradicts Zimmerman's account of the events that night meaning Martin attacked him (not that it matters to those who never believed Zimmerman in the first place). Zimmerman could have been a black belt in multiple disciplines but that's not guarantee he would have had a chance to even use that knowledge let alone be successful.

 

I think these MMA classes are only really harmful to Zimmerman if during the defense portion of the trial his attorneys totally drop the ball and I don't see that happening.

Edited June 29, 2013 by RobertNashville

[DaveS]

You would think.  But then again, some would rather just have the t-shirt. 

 Got plenty of those too.

 

Dave

[RichardR]

Welp Dave it's obvious that you cannot be reasoned with, nor will you even conceede the most simple, undeniable truth of the matter, instead inventing unreasonable standards that have absolutely no basis in the reality of the situation that Zimmerman faced.

You might have well just have typed "Trayvon didn't do nuffin" clicked submit/post and saved us all the trouble of reading that long-winded and completely asinine post.

[DaveS]

Welp Dave it's obvious that you cannot be reasoned with, nor will you even conceede the most simple, undeniable truth of the matter, instead inventing unreasonable standards that have absolutely no basis in the reality of the situation that Zimmerman faced.

You might have well just have typed "Trayvon didn't do nuffin" clicked submit/post and saved us all the trouble of reading that long-winded and completely asinine post.

I'm very easy to reason with and I will sometimes concede to simple truth. I was just pointing a few things out to you, as your opinion, and the opinions of everyone else on here that think Zman is the greatest 2A poster child to ever walk the earth...I'm trying to get it sunk in to ya'lls heads, that there's other opinions on the subject. It seems ya'll cannot nor will not accept that. I don't want to be a part of the circle jerk. I have my own opinion on this case. Is that so hard to ******* understand? 

 

And my asinine post as you put it, was just merely to show you how to stay out of Zimmermans type of trouble. Simple basic rules is all. I live by them as they work very well for me.

 

Simple solution to your simple problem...don't read my post....hell they're only my opinion anyways.

 

Shock and Awe, Ground and Pound

 

Dave

Edited June 29, 2013 by DaveS

[DaveS]

Welp Dave it's obvious that you cannot be reasoned with, nor will you even conceede the most simple, undeniable truth of the matter, instead inventing unreasonable standards that have absolutely no basis in the reality of the situation that Zimmerman faced.

You might have well just have typed "Trayvon didn't do nuffin" clicked submit/post and saved us all the trouble of reading that long-winded and completely asinine post.

 

"Trayvon didn't do nuffin"......

 

 

Shock and Awe, Ground and Pound

 

Dave

Edited June 29, 2013 by DaveS

[JayC]

Sometimes the ignore button is your friend ;)  Some people remind me of this video clip:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlRVxzHUSNc

 

Welp Dave it's obvious that you cannot be reasoned with, nor will you even conceede the most simple, undeniable truth of the matter, instead inventing unreasonable standards that have absolutely no basis in the reality of the situation that Zimmerman faced.

You might have well just have typed "Trayvon didn't do nuffin" clicked submit/post and saved us all the trouble of reading that long-winded and completely asinine post.

Edited June 29, 2013 by JayC

[KKing]

I just love to hear Internet badasses say "I would have just whooped that beanpole, I wouldn't have used my firearm" or "I just wouldn't have gotten in that situation"
It's to those I speak of, I submit this...

1) That's awesome, you fighter you. Chuck Norris would be proud. The fact of the matter is, this guy is on top of you, which would introduce leverage into the situation and it's not in your favor, regardless of weight. He's on top of you, banging your head against the concrete. Now, do you wait and wonder "Will I be able to toss him off of me before the next blow to the head? Or will the lights go out and it be the end of my life?" Or will you use your firearm? You're a fool if you still believe you're badass at that point. You think if you haven't fended him off by now that you'll somehow kick his tail after the next hard blow to the head? You won't, you'd fear for your life, and you'd stop the threat on your life. At least if you valued your own life. It's easy to say "he did this wrong" or "I woulda done this" but the fact is, if you were in the exact same spot, the result would be the same. Or....you could be dead, your choice

2) From what the evidence shows, the situation came to Zimmerman or he got surprised. Now, you may think you're some sort of spec ops ninja samurai and your situational awareness never drops, but you're wrong. Plain and simple. So please, spare us your complete and utter bullcrap. We can train all we want and we can be as aware as we want, but in most self defense situations you're going to be starting behind the curve. You're going to be reacting to someone else's actions. Edited June 29, 2013 by KKing