Weed, fights and guns: Trayvon Martin’s text messages released

[Links2k]

This is why the parents played the race card.

Wow, it's about time someone told us what was really going on. It was all a big conspiracy to get money, but something went wrong and it cost a co-conspirator his life. Thanks!

[Sam1]

^^^THIS KID wasn't involved in all that stuff.

 

However, it wasn't that ^^^ kid who attacked Zimmerman that night (even though Trayvon's parents, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers want us to believe it was ^^^that kid that that Zimmerman killed).  ;)

 

Oh yes he was, just ask Messe Jackson or Al Charlatan and they'll get you straightened out!

[mikegideon]

And Zimmerman had quite the history as well, so I'm not going to buy that Martin was a thug who conspired to get whitey that night simply because he smoked pot and cursed a lot in text messages. Thank God there was no such thing as social media other than the bathroom wall when I was in high school or I'd be thrown under the jail by some of the folks here.

If we want to focus on Martin's past and attribute that to his guilt in committing an unprovoked assault, why would the following not be relevant:

1. Allegations of sexual abuse by a younger female in Zmmerman's own family.

2. Assertion from at least one family member that Zimmerman is extremely confrontational and violent.

3. The restraining order and accusations of domestic violence made by a former girlfriend.

4. Being arrested for assaulting a police officer (after confronting said officer for investigating one of his buddies for underage drinking).

5. Lying boldfaced to a judge in a courtroom, as we all watched on national television.


I realize that folks will individually explain away each and every one of those points. I also realize that sometimes folks make mistakes and sometimes folks get accused of things they didn't do. However, looking at the TOTALITY of these incidents tells me that there is either some truth that Zimmerman is an untrustworthy scumbag OR the world is just out to get him. There are some damn smart folks here. For you smart folks, think about the people you know who always find themselves in these types of situations and how it is ALWAYS somebody else's fault.

I realize none of these things make him guilty if murdering Martin, but they do provide an insight to his character, so anyone taking his story at face value is a fool.

 

I'm fine with not using any of that stuff as evidence. We have two things going on here. We have the legal proceedings, which seem to be in good hands. Then, we have the public face of this thing. That's the part, where Trayvon was prevented as a saintly little child that was gunned down for no reason. 

 

All the hoodie wearing libtards were reacting to media spin, NOT the facts of the case. I think it's important that all the info about BOTH Z and T comes out to help undo the damage from that original spin. The trial is gonna be pretty straightforward. The reaction of the hoodie wearing idiots, and the folks that feel the need to steal TV's is much more complicated.

[TMF]

I'm fine with not using any of that stuff as evidence. We have two things going on here. We have the legal proceedings, which seem to be in good hands. Then, we have the public face of this thing. That's the part, where Trayvon was prevented as a saintly little child that was gunned down for no reason.

All the hoodie wearing libtards were reacting to media spin, NOT the facts of the case. I think it's important that all the info about BOTH Z and T comes out to help undo the damage from that original spin. The trial is gonna be pretty straightforward. The reaction of the hoodie wearing idiots, and the folks that feel the need to steal TV's is much more complicated.

I understand that completely, but that shouldn't sway our opinions based on race profiteers. I think that due to all the libtard involvement folks are more apt to believe that there is no possible way Zimmerman could be guilty of a crime. If we pretended for a moment that Martin was the same race as Zimmerman and they were near in age, I think many responsible HCP holders would have very different opinions on the subject. That isn't to say that someone who thinks Martin is solely responsible is a racist, but allowing a racist media to affect your opinion, even if it happens to be the exact opposite opinion they were going for still gives them control.

I'll give you my personal example:

Before this became national news and saw the likes of JJ and Sharpton, I read the article in the Sentinel regarding this. The headline was a paraphrase of the following: "White neighborhood watch captain shoots and kills unarmed black teen".... something to that affect. Seeing that it took place in Sanford and being familiar with the area this happened, I immediately figured this "kid" was up to no good, got caught and then got himself shot for attacking the watch captain, and now the media is trying to exploit the racial aspect of it for website hits... hell, they got me. Of course, my opinion changed later on, but in the moment I was inclined to believe that the story was BS due to the spin. Although it was not the intended opinion the Sentinel was peddling, they still managed to use race profiteering to affect my opinion. Edited June 22, 2013 by TMF

[Links2k]

I'm fine with not using any of that stuff as evidence. We have two things going on here. We have the legal proceedings, which seem to be in good hands. Then, we have the public face of this thing. That's the part, where Trayvon was prevented as a saintly little child that was gunned down for no reason. 
 
All the hoodie wearing libtards were reacting to media spin, NOT the facts of the case. I think it's important that all the info about BOTH Z and T comes out to help undo the damage from that original spin. The trial is gonna be pretty straightforward. The reaction of the hoodie wearing idiots, and the folks that feel the need to steal TV's is much more complicated.

What about the people who are pretending that Zimmerman wasn't a jack wad?

[DaveS]

And Zimmerman had quite the history as well, so I'm not going to buy that Martin was a thug who conspired to get whitey that night simply because he smoked pot and cursed a lot in text messages. Thank God there was no such thing as social media other than the bathroom wall when I was in high school or I'd be thrown under the jail by some of the folks here.

If we want to focus on Martin's past and attribute that to his guilt in committing an unprovoked assault, why would the following not be relevant:

1. Allegations of sexual abuse by a younger female in Zmmerman's own family.

2. Assertion from at least one family member that Zimmerman is extremely confrontational and violent.

3. The restraining order and accusations of domestic violence made by a former girlfriend.

4. Being arrested for assaulting a police officer (after confronting said officer for investigating one of his buddies for underage drinking).

5. Lying boldfaced to a judge in a courtroom, as we all watched on national television.


I realize that folks will individually explain away each and every one of those points. I also realize that sometimes folks make mistakes and sometimes folks get accused of things they didn't do. However, looking at the TOTALITY of these incidents tells me that there is either some truth that Zimmerman is an untrustworthy scumbag OR the world is just out to get him. There are some damn smart folks here. For you smart folks, think about the people you know who always find themselves in these types of situations and how it is ALWAYS somebody else's fault.

I realize none of these things make him guilty if murdering Martin, but they do provide an insight to his character, so anyone taking his story at face value is a fool.

And how about the people in his own neighborhood who filed numerous complaints against him during his tenure as NW Captain. I seem to remember one resident saying Zman entered his residence without permission. I'm still researching that subject though. 

[mikegideon]

What about the people who are pretending that Zimmerman wasn't a jack wad?

 

I hope you don't think I'm one of them. So much of it really doesn't matter. It really comes down to the few minutes when there were NO witnesses except Zimmerman and Martin. Nothing that was said on tape was justification for M to assault Z, or for Z to shoot M.

 

When the reality of all this finally comes out... that there probably isn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of a crime, I wonder if anybody will say that the original DA's assessment of the case was spot on? We're having our big trial, and the Martins got paid. Still, in the end, it will probably just be a few million wasted for the same outcome. Welcome to our shitty society.

[jgradyc]

I understood the court said that TM's past was ilrelivant to him geting killed and couldn't be adressed during the opening statements. They have already said the 911 tapes and Zman's written statements hae been submitted in to evidence. Trayvon's and Zman's past will most likely get brought up though. Keep in mind also that there are many different types of "profiling", not just racial in which (my opinion only), Zman did not do.

 

Dave S

I don't get all the discussion on profiling. It doesn't matter if Z profiled M.

 

As I understand the definition of profiling, profiling is not an illegal activilty when done by a civilian. From USLegal.com....

 

"Profiling refers to the law enforcement practice of the detention, interdiction, or other disparate treatment of an individual on the basis of the racial or ethnic status."

 

If I'm wrong, can someone with a legal background provide a better definition, please? I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but as I understand the term, it's not being used properly in this context.

[DaveS]

And how about the people in his own neighborhood who filed numerous complaints against him during his tenure as NW Captain. I seem to remember one resident saying Zman entered his residence without permission. I'm still researching that subject though. 

OK, apparently Zman DID NOT enter the residence, as I cannot find that. 

 

From the news paper report...

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role. 

 

Dave S

 

[c.a.willard]

I don't get all the discussion on profiling. It doesn't matter if Z profiled M.

 

As I understand the definition of profiling, profiling is not an illegal activilty when done by a civilian. From USLegal.com....

 

"Profiling refers to the law enforcement practice of the detention, interdiction, or other disparate treatment of an individual on the basis of the racial or ethnic status."

 

If I'm wrong, can someone with a legal background provide a better definition, please? I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but as I understand the term, it's not being used properly in this context.

I think the profiling really comes in to play in this case because the state has to prove a depraved mind.  If they can prove he profiled TM then they are one step closer to that goal.  I still continue to think that Z is innocent.  I think it because i truly believe in assuming someone is innocent until there is enough evidence of their guilt.  To date no evidence has really been provided that would counter Zimmerman's claims of self defense.    Obviously the state has not released all of its evidence for public consumption, so i am completely willing to change my opinion as the trial goes along.

[DaveS]

I don't get all the discussion on profiling. It doesn't matter if Z profiled M.

 

As I understand the definition of profiling, profiling is not an illegal activilty when done by a civilian. From USLegal.com....

 

"Profiling refers to the law enforcement practice of the detention, interdiction, or other disparate treatment of an individual on the basis of the racial or ethnic status."

 

If I'm wrong, can someone with a legal background provide a better definition, please? I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but as I understand the term, it's not being used properly in this context.

 

 The legal deffinition of "profiling" was posted on another thread.

Just read the 911 transcripts and it will all jump out at you.

 

Dave S

[c.a.willard]

DaveS,  I just read the transcripts again in case my memory was a little foggy, but im not seeing it jump out at me.  If you could please post where it jumps out at you.  It may help me understand your position a little better.

[DaveS]

DaveS,  I just read the transcripts again in case my memory was a little foggy, but im not seeing it jump out at me.  If you could please post where it jumps out at you.  It may help me understand your position a little better.

I'll disect it down in a bit... 

 

Dave S

[Garufa]

How many times are y'all gonna go through this? 

[mikegideon]

I think the profiling really comes in to play in this case because the state has to prove a depraved mind.  If they can prove he profiled TM then they are one step closer to that goal.  I still continue to think that Z is innocent.  I think it because i truly believe in assuming someone is innocent until there is enough evidence of their guilt.  To date no evidence has really been provided that would counter Zimmerman's claims of self defense.    Obviously the state has not released all of its evidence for public consumption, so i am completely willing to change my opinion as the trial goes along.

 

AFIK, they had to release all their evidence to the defense in the discovery process. I don't think secret evidence bombs are allowed in a murder trial, or any trial for that matter.

[mikegideon]

How many times are y'all gonna go through this? 

 

Until the sumbitch has been executed :)

[c.a.willard]

AFIK, they had to release all their evidence to the defense in the discovery process. I don't think secret evidence bombs are allowed in a murder trial, or any trial for that matter.

 

The key to what i was saying was for public consumption.  Yes they have to release all their evidence to the defense, but neither have to release anything to the public.  

[DaveS]

Here's what got my attention....I may be wrong, but it's my opinion.

 

Profiling; noun

: the act or process of extrapolating information about a person based on traits.

Specifically: the act of SUSPECTING or TARGETING a person on the BASIS of observed CHARACTORISTICS or BEHAVIOR.

 

Just a few lines of 911 call that I say TM was profiled. Again, just my opinion...

 

Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there is a real suspicious guy, uh, near Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something, and he's just walking around.

 

Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him.

 

Zimmerman: These assholes always get away.

 

This is just a few that in my opinion is "profiling" TM based on the legal definition of Profiling. Again, just my WA Opinion!

 

Dave S

[Sam1]

I don't see the first thing in profiling race there, what I see is someone sounding like they're pissed off because thieves had been burglarizing and getting away with it.

It would be an assumption, but I could see any person on this forum using that vocabulary during a call for help.

Need to be clear that the intent of people and the media here are using the term profiling in the context of racial targeting and NOT profiling based on actions. Edited June 22, 2013 by Sam1

[DaveTN]

I’ve tried to stay out of a debate with the race baiters; no one ever has or ever will do well in that discussion. I see a whole bunch of racism from the usual suspects, but also from people I would have never thought I would see it coming from.  It doesn’t matter whether he was profiling Martin; he didn’t have the authority to profile anyone other than to call 911 and let them handle it.

 

Will either side try to show he was or was not profiling based on race? I don’t know is there people on the witness lists that were stopped by Zimmerman? Have 911 tapes of Zimmerman’s previous calls been subpoenaed?

 

I don’t own a hoodie and I’ve never been called a liberal let alone a libtard.   I’m a conservative that believes in law and order, being responsible for your actions, and thinks Zimmerman acted recklessly and it resulted in Martins death. The verdict no longer matters in this case. Zimmerman is now and will for the rest of his life suffer the consequences of his actions; right or wrong. The case will have zero impact on most of us on our abilities to protect ourselves. It may impact some that think they can start whatever they want because they have a gun. If you think that take a look at Zimmerman a couple of years from now; regardless of the verdict.

[TripleDigitRide]

  :blah: 

[Links2k]

How many times are y'all gonna go through this?

We will probably do it until someone starts another Obama thread.

[Sam1]

We will probably do it until someone starts another Obama thread.

:lol:

[RichardR]

[size=1][font=calibri]I’ve tried to stay out of a debate with the race baiters; no one ever has or ever will do well in that discussion. I see a whole bunch of racism from the usual suspects, but also from people I would have never thought I would see it coming from.

So essentially all of the TGO'ers who have expressed disgust over all of the blatent anti-white racism ... are racists?

Seriously?!?!

[DaveS]

I don't see the first thing in profiling race there, what I see is someone sounding like they're pissed off because thieves had been burglarizing and getting away with it.

It would be an assumption, but I could see any person on this forum using that vocabulary during a call for help.

Need to be clear that the intent of people and the media here are using the term profiling in the context of racial targeting and NOT profiling based on actions.

Where did anyone in these threads say TM got profiled based on his race? Zimmerman never mentioned race in his 911 call. Did not dispatch bring that up first? Maybe someone else is making this a race issue, but it sure ain't me. I like all people, Black, white, red, yellow and green!

 

I agree that the media is using profiling in a racial way. I'm not. I'm baseing "profiling" on ones actions and not the color of his skin. I could care less about that. When I say Zman was profiling TM...just based on actions. And I think it will come into play in court.

 

Dave S