Weed, fights and guns: Trayvon Martin’s text messages released

[Chucktshoes]

Those statements were in Z's call to the police. If you haven't heard it until now, then you have been listening to the wrong version of the tape.

Could be. How many "versions" is there considering it was the same 911 call?

DaveS

Ask NBC.

ETA- looks like you found the edit you were after.

(The allegation of GZ saying "coon" was disproved almost immediately, just as an FYI.) Edited June 25, 2013 by Chucktshoes

[mikegideon]

I guess I found the right one now. Zman says "F****** Coon" and not punk. Damn...just Damn!!! 

 

Dave S

 

Just keep thinking that. It's been debunked for months. Thanks again to our sorry ass news media for doctoring the tapes.

[TripleDigitRide]

Those statements were in Z's call to the police. If you haven't heard it until now, then you have been listening to the wrong version of the tape.

I guess I found the right one now. Zman says "F****** Coon" and not punk. Damn...just Damn!!!

Dave S

I'm pretty sure the "coon" myth was debunked as soon as the first race-baiter brought it up. If he had said that, the prosecution would have been all over that right out of the gate.
Edited June 25, 2013 by TripleDigitRide

[RobertNashville]

I'm pretty sure the "coon" myth was debunked as soon as the first race-baiter brought it up. If he had said that, the prosecution would have been all over that right out of the gate.

It was...the only people clinging to that lie are those who aren't interested in facts and only listen to NBC's version of the 911 tapes

[RobertNashville]

Just keep thinking that. It's been debunked for months. Thanks again to our sorry ass news media for doctoring the tapes.

The biased and incompetent news media is only part of the problem; an often biased, low-information public is just as much of a problem.

[TMF]

I guess I found the right one now. Zman says "F****** Coon" and not punk. Damn...just Damn!!!

Dave S

It has been debunked. Although it is amusing to think of a Hispanic guy using the term "coon".

[DaveS]

The biased and incompetent news media is only part of the problem; an often biased, low-information public is just as much of a problem.

I've done read about 5 different versions ofthat call. The word "Punk" is most consistent, so punk it is! 

 

Dave S

[mikegideon]

I've done read about 5 different versions ofthat call. The word "Punk" is most consistent, so punk it is! 

 

Dave S

 

There is only ONE real unedited version. The rest are garbage.

[TripleDigitRide]

The biased and incompetent news media is only part of the problem; an often biased, low-information public is just as much of a problem.

I've done read about 5 different versions ofthat call. The word "Punk" is most consistent, so punk it is!

Dave S

No worries. Zimmerman probably had a mouth full of taco when he made the call, so it wouldn't be difficult to misunderstand the difference between punk and coon.

[RobertNashville]

No worries. Zimmerman probably had a mouth full of taco when he made the call, so it wouldn't be difficult to misunderstand the difference between punk and coon.

No...No...No...you don't understand; Zimmerman is a "white-Hispanic" so it's likely he doesn't eat tacos.  ;)

Edited June 25, 2013 by RobertNashville

[mikegideon]

No...No...No...you don't understand; Zimmerman is a "white-Hispanic" so it's likely he doesn't eat tacos.  ;)

 

I'm a white redneck, and I eat lots of tacos.

[RobertNashville]

I'm a white redneck, and I eat lots of tacos.

Well, rednecks are a whole other race....especially when they are old farts. ;)

[DaveS]

There is only ONE real unedited version. The rest are garbage.

Link me to the "REAL" one.... 

 

DaveS

[mikegideon]

Link me to the "REAL" one.... 

 

DaveS

 

:rofl:

[DaveS]

:rofl:

Well? 

 

Dave S

[RobertNashville]

:search: :google:

[DaveS]

 

:search: :google:

I googled it already. Ya'll keep telling us to read the facts...well now I'm asking for those facts. Show me! I've read several versions of the call. Ya'll apparently know the "real" one. Share it with me, so we'll be on the same sheet of music. If you don't know, say so...nothing to be ashamed of!  ;)

 

Dave S

Edited June 25, 2013 by DaveS

[RobertNashville]

A lot has been made about what Georg Zimmerman siad and even didn't say immediately after his self-defense shooting.  I've menteioned in this and other threads why a citizen, no matter how justified he was in defending his life, needs to be cautious...very cautious about what he he says to 911 and/or law enforcement and especially so within a short time following the shooting.  This article lays out a pretty good plan for what to do...
 

What to do AFTER a Self Defense Shooting


A step-by-step guide for dealing with law-enforcement under stress
by Sean Maloney, Defense Attorney
 
As an American citizen, you have the legal and moral right to defend yourself and your family against death or grievous bodily harm. But even if you act properly, it is possible that you will find yourself in trouble with the law. What you do and say in the minutes following an act of self defense can mean the difference between freedom and imprisonment.
No matter how prepared you think you might be to defend yourself, a life or death situation is like nothing you have ever experienced.
 
Your body will release a massive dose of adrenaline to give you the strength and willpower to fight and survive. But like any chemical, it also has negative side effects, including time distortion, tunnel vision, hearing loss, and emotional detachment.
Even after you survive an attack, your body and mind will suffer from the effects of this dose of adrenaline for hours. You can experience nausea and vomiting, exhaustion, and the urge to pace, yell, or babble rapidly.
The bottom line is this: in the minutes and hours after using your firearm to defend yourself, your body and mind will work against you. You will be unable to remember or describe what happened accurately. You will do things you would not ordinarily do and say things you do not mean to say.
 
And unfortunately, this is the same time you will deal with law enforcement. This is the time when you are likely to say or do something that can set the tone for the investigation that follows.
That's why it is critical that you know what to say and do (and what NOT to say and do) immediately following a self defense shooting.
 
Before you do anything, just STOP!
You need to call 911 promptly. However, before you call, take a moment to calm yourself. Breath slowly and deeply. Collect your thoughts as best you can.
The moment you are connected to 911, a recorder will start and capture every word you say. This is the beginning of the police investigation.
 
While the 911 operator might be a nice person, he or she is not your friend at this moment. Operators are trained to keep you on the phone and prompt you to answer as many questions as possible.
Given your state of mind, you should be careful. While you must provide basic information to bring medical help and law enforcement, the less you say right now, the better.
Replay in your mind the exact sequence of events. Try to recall what made you believe that you were faced with an imminent threat. When you feel that you're ready, make the call.
 
Call 911.
Remember, you are being recorded and this is not the time to give details about what just happened. Your goal is to notify the authorities and bring an ambulance.
Here is the information you should share with the 911 operator:

• Your name
• Street address
• What happened
• Request for ambulance and police
• Your location at the address
• Description of yourself

So your phone call would go like this:
Operator: 911. What is your emergency?
You: Operator, my name is <your name>. I'm at <street address>. I was attacked and feared for my life. There has been a shooting. Send an ambulance and the police. I'll be <your location at the address>. I'm <physical description> and I'm wearing <description of your clothing>.
 
Let's say you're a white man with a wife and two kids. The call would sound like this:
Operator, my name is Sam Smith. I'm at my home at 123 Main Street. I was attacked and feared for my life. There has been a shooting. Send an ambulance and police. I'll be standing at the front door with my wife. My children have gone next door to our neighbor's home. I'm a white male, 6 feet tall with glasses and brown hair. I'm wearing blue jeans and a green t-shirt.
End the call. The operator may need you to repeat the address or other information. But you should avoid providing any details. Explain that you are upset and feel sick and that you need to hang up.
 
Note: when the police arrive, do not have the gun in your hand unless you are subduing your attacker. Be prepared to identify yourself and surrender your firearm immediately. You do not want law enforcement to mistake you for the attacker.
 
For Members: Call the Second Call Defense Emergency Legal Hotline.
This is a member-only number manned by a staff attorney 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Call this number only if you have recently used a gun in self defense.
You will be asked to provide your name, phone number, and Member ID Number. This will help us access your emergency contacts and other information we have on file.
Explain what happened. The Second Call Defense Attorney will provide a refresher on how to interact with police. If necessary, the attorney could speak with police on the scene.
In most cases, you will need to speak to the police yourself. Keep it as short as possible. Here is what you should say to police:

• Officer, this person attacked me.
• I will sign the complaint.
• Here is the evidence (whatever tool the assailant used to attack you).
• These are the witnesses (if there are any).
• You will have my full cooperation within 24 hours after I meet with my attorney. Until then, I wish to assert my 5th Amendment right and remain silent.

Every self defense situation is different. It is impossible to predict how local authorities will react to your particular situation. However, you should mentally and emotionally prepare to be arrested and taken to jail.
In some jurisdictions, the police will arrest anyone who shoots another person regardless of the circumstances. So don't be surprised or alarmed if this happens.

Once a police officer makes the decision to arrest you, there is nothing you can say to avoid going to jail. Don't argue. Don't try to plead your case. Just SHUT UP! Cooperate fully with all police commands, but say nothing more about the attack.

If you are arrested, you should call the Emergency Legal Hotline again.
We will provide immediate assistance in arranging bond, refer you to qualified attorneys in your area, and wire a retainer to the attorney you choose.

If you're not yet a member, we suggest you consider joining Second Call Defense.
 
LINK: http://www.secondcalldefense.org/self-defense-news/what-do-after-self-defense-shooting?affiliate=20007

 

Obviously, this article is pushing you to a particular defense network...I strongly suggest that every one who carries a weapon for self defense have the kind of services these groups offer (there are several to chose from).  More importantly, if you don't have at least the office number and hopefully cell phon number of at least a couple of attorneys that you can call when you've been involved in a SD shooting you need to get them!

ANY OF US could wind up EXAXTLY where George Zimmerman is today; sitting in a court room defending himself with six or 12 people deciding where he may spend the next 10 years, 20 years or even the rest of his life...take measures NOW so that if it hsppens to you, you have some help available to deal with it.

Edited June 25, 2013 by RobertNashville

[c.a.willard]

everyone that's asking the guys that feel Zman is guilty to justify their opinions are seem to not have a good understanding of opinions.  Our opinions are formed not just by the information we have but the context in which we interpret that information.  TMF and DaveS interpret the information differently than i do but thats based on their knowledge and experience and mindset when looking at the information they are given.  I see nothing wrong with them having that opinion especially when for the most part both seem willing to accept that the trail is where the truth of the event is mostly likely to come out and whichever way it goes both seem willing to accept the decision.  

[TrickyNicky]

Please don't tell me that you were surprised.

Surprised? No.

Disappointed? A bit.

Ashamed of statements like this being put out on a public forum for the world to see and judge all gun owners (and by extension myself) by? Absolutely.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

DaveS, I don't remember where, but the uncut audios are out there. There have also been some edited versions

circulating around. I don't know why they were edited, but they do remove the context, and tend to show a different

picture of the events. If you go back to the earlier threads on this topic(when it happened), there are links to those

audios, if they still work.

 

And as well as Andrew has been covering this, he probably has them on his site somewhere or could provide those

links. Remember what NBC or ABC did to some of the evidence at the beginning of this whole episode. They effectively

doctored those tapes and some video evidence when Zimmerman went to the police station. It is worth reviewing,

especially the unedited tapes.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

TM had an abrasion on the back of his finger, probably from punching Zman in the face. Zman had no defensive wounds, and TM had no DNA of Zman's on his hands or under his nails. I actually find that hard to beleive. 

 

As far as followingTM they really didn't get into that outside what the Prosecutor and 911 operator said. The only other thing that really came out yesterday, was Zman was heard on tape...calling or reffering to TM as a "F***ing Punk" . I'd never heard that before. That's the "F" bomb the Prosecution threw out there. If memory serves me right it was used "F*****g Punk, these A**holes always get away". They have that on tape. Like I said, I'd not heard that before.

 

And don't tell Knock Knock jokes! LMAO!!!

 

Dave S

You forgot the gash Zimmerman had on the back of his head, which was on the unfaded picture from the camera

at the police dept. The media showed the faded out one, making it look like Zimmerman had no injuries. Taking

the gunshot out of the equation, the wounds on Zimmerman were defensive, or caused by someone else's aggression.

[RobertNashville]

everyone that's asking the guys that feel Zman is guilty to justify their opinions are seem to not have a good understanding of opinions.  Our opinions are formed not just by the information we have but the context in which we interpret that information.  TMF and DaveS interpret the information differently than i do but thats based on their knowledge and experience and mindset when looking at the information they are given.  I see nothing wrong with them having that opinion especially when for the most part both seem willing to accept that the trail is where the truth of the event is mostly likely to come out and whichever way it goes both seem willing to accept the decision.  

There is nothing wroing with opinions and I think everyone understands what an opinion is.  However, I don't think it's asking all that much nor is it reasonable (in my opinion :) ) to aske someone to support their opinions.

 

No one is "required" to support their opinion with anything if they don't want to but if that is the stand a person is going to make then they probably shouldn't be surprised or feel "attacked" if others don't agree/rejects their opinion. Rather, they should logically expect that people are qoing to question the validity of their opinion especially if the opinion seems to be in contradiction to what is known about an issue (this or any other).

 

And in a more genearl sense and maybe more to the point, an unsupported opinion/allegation does nothing to foster real discussion.

 

While TGO is not just a discussion forum, I'd submit that fostering discussion is certainly a major part if its reason to exist and if that is true, then I think it's reasonable to ask what kind of discussion can truly be had if all people do is "state opinion"; especially if the opinion is not explained or supported in any way.

 

Of course, all the above is...just my opinion. ;)

[DaveS]

You forgot the gash Zimmerman had on the back of his head, which was on the unfaded picture from the camera

at the police dept. The media showed the faded out one, making it look like Zimmerman had no injuries. Taking

the gunshot out of the equation, the wounds on Zimmerman were defensive, or caused by someone else's aggression.

He asked about TM's injuries outside the gunshot wound. I think that's what he was asking anyways. I agree with the pictures of Zman's melon. 

 

Dave S

[Links2k]

I don't dispute any of the verifiable facts of this case. I do still question what really happened during the initial physical confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin. I hope that the truth regarding the attack will come out during the trial.

If you will go back to the first epic thread, you will recall that my issue with Zimmerman was the fact that he got the ball rolling on this incident. I still FEEL very strongly that had Zimmerman simply notified the police, provided a good description and direction of travel of the suspicious person his life wouldn't be in turmoil.

If Martin circled back on Zimmerman, thrashed him and then proceeded to bang Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk causing Zimmerman to fear for his life and shoot Martin in the process, I understand. With that being said, I will maintain that Zimmerman's initial actions of pursuing/following Martin cased the deadly chain reaction and were unnecessary.