Weed, fights and guns: Trayvon Martin’s text messages released

[TripleDigitRide]

If that jury didn't know TM's past, they were kin to the Pinball Wizard. That info was all over the media(well, some of it)

for a long time before the trial. I guess they could have forgotten it.

The problem is, until the trial began and it became very evident to almost every sane and logical person that the prosecution didn't appear to have a case, most every media outlets had Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If the jurors base their final decision on what they may have seen/read/heard in previous media reports, Zimmerman will be found guilty as charged. 

 

As someone who watched and listened to the same trial as the jurors, I don't understand why they need to deliberate for more than 5 or 10 minutes, unless one or more jurors is attempting to convince others to change their mind.

[rugerla1]

Y'all quit bragging. We have some kickass ghettos in Nashville too.

Truth!! Ask any of the tenants, they will tell you!! Haha

[mikegideon]

Jury broke for lunch. Still at it. If they're hung, I hope they stay that way.

[mikegideon]

The problem is, until the trial began and it became very evident to almost every sane and logical person that the prosecution didn't appear to have a case, most every media outlets had Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If the jurors base their final decision on what they may have seen/read/heard in previous media reports, Zimmerman will be found guilty as charged. 

 

As someone who watched and listened to the same trial as the jurors, I don't understand why they need to deliberate for more than 5 or 10 minutes, unless one or more jurors is attempting to convince others to change their mind.

 

According to most media outlets, Zimmerman was guilty just because he had a gun. Wait, let me get it right... GUN!!!  :panic:  :panic:  :panic:

[Guest nra37922]

Going over evidence, showing pictures of the grand-kids, going over more evidence, talking about hair dressers and before you know it its lunch....

[QuietDan]

Florida is not screwing around with Zimmerman threats on social media:

 

"A 15-year-old boy has been arrested after authorities say he tweeted out a threat to commit a "mass homicide" if George Zimmerman is found not guilty in the death of Trayvon Martin, according to the Lake County News-Sun."

 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-report-teen-arrested-over-zimmerman-tweet-20130713,0,469615.story

 

http://newssun.suntimes.com/21290947-417/teen-charged-with-disorderly-conduct-for-making-threats-on-twitter.html

[RobertNashville]

Jury broke for lunch. Still at it. If they're hung, I hope they stay that way.

Considering three weeks of testimony and a couple hundred individual pieces of evidence I think it's too early to think it's going to be a hung jury...I'm not discounting the possibility at all but I don't think they've spend more than 8-10 hours of actual deliberation yet have they?

[mikegideon]

3 yesterday afternoon, and 4-5 this morning

[Guest Lester Weevils]

If FL doesn't pay jurors any more than TN, then it is a good bet they are not stretching it out to pad their paychecks. :)

[TripleDigitRide]

The IT guy who notified the defense team that the State lied about Trayvon's cell phone records was just fired.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[KKing]

The IT guy who notified the defense team that the State lied about Trayvon's cell phone records was just fired.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Poor guy, the state wasn't going to let anyone or anything stand in the way of their railroad circus show were they? From the way the article reads, this instance is just one in a line of many things the state has been dirty about. Doesn't look like they're interested in any sort of justice a fair trial may bring. We knew that, it's just hard for me to get over the fact Edited July 13, 2013 by KKing

[Djay3]

The IT fellow's firing by State Attorney Corey will hopefully be her demise. I just hope that there are enough residents of the State of Florida incensed enough to rise up and demand a full and unbiased investigation of the whole travesty.

The intentional removal of records and their 11th hour availability to the Defensive Team should also be great fodder for appeal (I hope, but I'm a layman not an attorney).

I hope concerned citizens from the entire country bombard "officials" of this state.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The problem is, until the trial began and it became very evident to almost every sane and logical person that the prosecution didn't appear to have a case, most every media outlets had Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If the jurors base their final decision on what they may have seen/read/heard in previous media reports, Zimmerman will be found guilty as charged. 

 

As someone who watched and listened to the same trial as the jurors, I don't understand why they need to deliberate for more than 5 or 10 minutes, unless one or more jurors is attempting to convince others to change their mind.

There are several schools of thought about the length of deliberation, but I think the longer the jury deliberates, the

more reasonable doubt is injected in their final decision. I'm sure there is one or more who believe he can be found

guilty of something, if not for any other reason other than fear of racial backlash. There only has to be one person who

disagrees with a guilty verdict to hang it, I think.

 

How can you find a guilty verdict on any degree when the evidence and the law mandates a not guilty?

 

All I see in the deliberation being lengthy is emotion being worked through. You or I, being on that jury could easily

come to the same conclusion as what they are. We're on the internet and they are behind closed doors. On the

internet, everyone is an expert with no boundaries.

[mikegideon]

There are several schools of thought about the length of deliberation, but I think the longer the jury deliberates, the

more reasonable doubt is injected in their final decision. I'm sure there is one or more who believe he can be found

guilty of something, if not for any other reason other than fear of racial backlash. There only has to be one person who

disagrees with a guilty verdict to hang it, I think.

 

How can you find a guilty verdict on any degree when the evidence and the law mandates a not guilty?

 

All I see in the deliberation being lengthy is emotion being worked through. You or I, being on that jury could easily

come to the same conclusion as what they are. We're on the internet and they are behind closed doors. On the

internet, everyone is an expert with no boundaries.

 

There's a lot of stuff to go through. And, it's girls. Takes my girlfriend 45 minutes to tell me about her trip to McDonald's. The trip only takes 20.

[jgradyc]

The problem is, until the trial began and it became very evident to almost every sane and logical person that the prosecution didn't appear to have a case, most every media outlets had Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If the jurors base their final decision on what they may have seen/read/heard in previous media reports, Zimmerman will be found guilty as charged. 

 

As someone who watched and listened to the same trial as the jurors, I don't understand why they need to deliberate for more than 5 or 10 minutes, unless one or more jurors is attempting to convince others to change their mind.

I suspect that the more informed jurors have requested the evidence list to patiently show a low information juror that the evidence does NOT support a guilty conviction.

 

Even though the information presented to the jury clearly does not support a guilty verdict, I'm still really outraged at how much pertinent information has been withheld from this jury.  How can you say a kid's prior interest in fighting and participation in fighting is NOT pertinent to whether he may have started a fight?  <head slaps> :rant:

[DaveS]

I suspect that the more informed jurors have requested the evidence list to patiently show a low information juror that the evidence does NOT support a guilty conviction.

 

Even though the information presented to the jury clearly does not support a guilty verdict, I'm still really outraged at how much pertinent information has been withheld from this jury.  How can you say a kid's prior interest in fighting and participation in fighting is NOT pertinent to whether he may have started a fight?  <head slaps> :rant:

On the other hand, how can you say that GZ assaulting a Police Officer, or having an order of protection taken against him by a girlfriend for domestic assault is not pertinent?

[mikegideon]

On the other hand, how can you say that GZ assaulting a Police Officer, or having an order of protection taken against him by a girlfriend for domestic assault is not pertinent?

 

Uh... he had a carry permit. Recon how he got it if those charges had any merit?

[TripleDigitRide]

On the other hand, how can you say that GZ assaulting a Police Officer, or having an order of protection taken against him by a girlfriend for domestic assault is not pertinent?

If you watched the trial, the actual details surrounding both events were kinda BS. He has since been able to obtain his carry permit and firearm, so I don't think either was as bad as many would like us to believe.

[DaveS]

Uh... he had a carry permit. Recon how he got it if those charges had any merit?

That's what I was wondering. But I do believe I asked if it was pertinent? Will he be able to get his HCP back?

 

DaveS

WD-40

Edited July 13, 2013 by DaveS

[c.a.willard]

My big gripe with not letting in the prior fights of trayvon is that the jury instructions specifically require them to take into consideration the physical abilities and capabilities of both zimmerman and trayvon martin.  The only way that a jury can do that is if they have heard evidence that speaks to the physical abilities and capabilities of trayvon.  

[RobertNashville]

That's what I was wondering. But I do believe I asked if it was pertinent? Will he be able to get his HCP back?

 

DaveS

WD-40

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both 3rd degree felonies, but the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence". The remaining charge was dismissed when he entered an alcohol education program.

 

A lot had been made of those "charges" but few people ever bother to find out the whole story; I can't lay my hands on the story now but if memory serves he had been drinking and came to the aid of a buddy whom he felt the police were harassing for no reason. Whether the cops were or weren't being unreasonable I've no idea but certainly, the court didn't make as much of it at the time as a lot of folks want to make of it now.

 

In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence; Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.

Edited July 13, 2013 by RobertNashville

[TripleDigitRide]

This isn't a good sign.

 

Jury weighing Zimmerman's fate asks question about manslaughter option

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Guest nra37922]

GZ's about to get screwed......

Edited July 13, 2013 by nra37922

[Hozzie]

This isn't a good sign.

 

Jury weighing Zimmerman's fate asks question about manslaughter option

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

I wouldn't say that for sure.  As they mentioned on Fox, it could be just one person who has the question maybe before they are willing to go Not Guilty.  I am not reading too much into this.  I think they just want to make sure they are 100% sure of what the law is supposed to mean.  Another good point was just made. The jury is all women and in general, I think they are more inclined to dot every i and cross every T.  I think this is probably the reason for this.  I still believe that there is at least one person who will see reasonable doubt.  I have been wrong before and may be again, but I hope not.

 

On a side note, saw this on twitter.  Pretty funny.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Hozzie

[mikegideon]

That's what I was wondering. But I do believe I asked if it was pertinent? Will he be able to get his HCP back?

 

DaveS

WD-40

 

If he's not convicted, he should get it back.