DHS Preparing For War Against U.S. Citizens

[Mike.357]

I am preparing for war too.

 

Just sent 100 rounds downrange and on target.

[Caster]

Meh, not too worried. If its true and they wanna bang heads, come get some.
I'm looking at my prospective future and I ain't really interested in being a crusty old man anyway.

[RobertNashville]

I wonder...assuming DHS is preparing for "war" against our citizenry; what exactly can we do about and when I say do about it I mean something that is truly effective...will "stop the threat"?

 

If we/you/I don't know what we can do to stop it then how is worrying about it going to help anything???

 

A long time ago I head a statistic that has stuck with me for years now which goes something like this..."95% of what people worry about will NEVER happen. Of the 5% that does or could happen to them, less than half of that is something they can actually do something about/to prevent. That means that 97.5% of what we worry about is a complete waste of our time".

 

All that to say, I try to concentrate my "worry time" on things I might actually be able to do something about....this thing sounds like it belongs firmly in the 97.5% category. ;)  Now, that doesn't mean I'm just sitting in a corner hoping for the best; I just chose to use whatever time I have left, before I assume room temperature, on issues and actions that are productive and not a waste of my time. 

Edited June 14, 2013 by RobertNashville

[RichardR]

The first step Robert is acknowledging the problem, the second step is building a coalition to help solve it.

Right now our nation is blindly goose-stepping it's way towards an ever-increasing government, both in size as well as in it's intrusiveness into our daily lives.

This is the definition of totalitarianism, the future of our nation is looking to be one in which eventually, everything not prohibited will be compulsary.

Our educucation system is no longer educating our children, teaching them problem solving or how to think for themselves, it is instead indoctrunating them to think & believe a certain way,

[TMF]

This "officer" is discredited. I don't believe anything that he says. If he said the sky was blue I would have to verify before accepting it as fact.

Maybe mediums really speak to the dead. I don't know, I guess. One common denominator that causes me not to believe them is the fact they are always batsheet crazy looney toons. I'm just going to stick with what has always worked for me.

On another note, I have hundreds of acres of land down in Florida for sale. Super cheap and water front... All of it. Just sign here....

[DaveTN]

The first step Robert is acknowledging the problem, the second step is building a coalition to help solve it.

Right now our nation is blindly goose-stepping it's way towards an ever-increasing government, both in size as well as in it's intrusiveness into our daily lives.

This is the definition of totalitarianism, the future of our nation is looking to be one in which eventually, everything not prohibited will be compulsary.

Our educucation system is no longer educating our children, teaching them problem solving or how to think for themselves, it is instead indoctrunating them to think & believe a certain way,

The problem hinges on the economy. Many Americans wanted a “global economy” (that means they wanted stuff cheap) well they have it, and they have it the cost of American jobs. There is a lot of talk about our founding fathers and what they would do. They weren’t carrying a bunch of dead weight and they wouldn’t sell out their fellow citizens as we have done.

 

Form all the coalitions you like, but in a republic form of democracy the majority is going to elect people that promise them what is best for them and their way of life. If you live off the government you will elect those people that will do the best for a welfare state. Government handouts and health insurance concerns are what are driving the elections.

 

Many of those people living off the government would rather be working; but the jobs are not there. Our manufacturing base is weak and is being further crippled by taking in people that aren’t really qualified but can be hired cheap.  

 

The working class is shrinking and the size of the poverty class is rising. The obvious result is inevitable unless we do something to fix it. But it’s tough to fix when Americans won’t agree on what the problem is.

 

If you start a coalition I would like to part of it; I’m standing at ground level looking the problem in the eye.

 

As usual it’s all about money; it always is.

[RichardR]

So you are asserting folks just imagined that the DHS placed an order for 1.6+ billion rounds of ammunition &/or 2,700 MRAP vehicles?

&/or that there is no such thing as "communists" &/or "conspiracies" and that the NSA hasn't been busy spying on the American people?

Or that the IRS hasn't been actively targeting the President's political opponets or that the Justice Department hasn't turned a blind eye to all of the massive electorial fraud which helped put the current POTUS in power?, or that the people of Boston weren't forcefully removed from their homes at gun-point by the authorities, detained, searched, their homes searched all without a warrant? PC? or even RS? in violation of not only their Constitutional protections but as well as everything this country once stood for?

Maybe I don't understand your arguement, but I do know that an osterich sticking it's head into a hole in the ground doesn't protect it from being eaten by a predator.

In fact it makes it a whole lot easier for the predator to do so.

As far as the officer who made the post, I don't know him personally, but his assumptions are not at all unreasonable or "looney" as you call the, not considering what we already know to be a very long list of actual/factual series of events that he apparently based them on.

This "officer" is discredited. I don't believe anything that he says. If he said the sky was blue I would have to verify before accepting it as fact.

Maybe mediums really speak to the dead. I don't know, I guess. One common denominator that causes me not to believe them is the fact they are always batsheet crazy looney toons. I'm just going to stick with what has always worked for me.

On another note, I have hundreds of acres of land down in Florida for sale. Super cheap and water front... All of it. Just sign here....

[Mike.357]

for a long time we ( our country) was a producing base.  Now we have become a service base.

   

This is not good.

[RichardR]

The problem hinges on the economy. Many Americans wanted a “global economy” (that means they wanted stuff cheap) well they have it, and they have it the cost of American jobs. There is a lot of talk about our founding fathers and what they would do. They weren’t carrying a bunch of dead weight and they wouldn’t sell out their fellow citizens as we have done.

Form all the coalitions you like, but in a republic form of democracy the majority is going to elect people that promise them what is best for them and their way of life. If you live off the government you will elect those people that will do the best for a welfare state. Government handouts and health insurance concerns are what are driving the elections.

Many of those people living off the government would rather be working; but the jobs are not there. Our manufacturing base is weak and is being further crippled by taking in people that aren’t really qualified but can be hired cheap.

The working class is shrinking and the size of the poverty class is rising. The obvious result is inevitable unless we do something to fix it. But it’s tough to fix when Americans won’t agree on what the problem is.

If you start a coalition I would like to part of it; I’m standing at ground level looking the problem in the eye.

As usual it’s all about money; it always is.

The coalition already exists, the Tea-Party has actively working to reverse the damage that has been done to our economy & restore our Constitution back to it's former importance as our nation's highest set of laws.

This of course "threatens" the current administration because it is exactly the opposite of the left's agenda, which is to dismantle the Constitution & funnel all commerce through a centralized government, who can and do dole out the dough to their (teet-suckling) supporters, while punishing private sector business through excessive taxes & regulations.

It is the same old bourgeouis vs the proletariat scheme that they've been trying over & over again with failure upon failure as the ultimate result, they do not seem to be quick learners, but they seem damned & determined to try it here whether we want it or not.

Well some of us anyway, the low-information voter just hears "free stuff!" and they don't really care about the future ramifications.

[RobertNashville]

Yeah...the Tea Party...I've been to I don't know how many rallies including the March on Washington in '09...did a lot of good didn't it!  We still got Obamacare and Obama got a second term and most of the Republicans currently in the Senate and the house are just as corrupt as the Democrats. Even Tea Party darlings like Rubio have proven they aren't worth s**t and are willing to commit treason to give amnesty to 20Million criminals.

 

I'll keep voting...probably keep donating to specific candidates but at this point I absolutely believe that this country will have a complete economic collapse...I don't need any of my degrees to figure out that inflating the money supply with trillions of completely worthless dollars and spending 140% of what you take in wont end well.

 

I just hope I can be as prepared for it as possible before it all goes to hell in a handbasket.

[RichardR]

Well Robert I'd say that the Tea Party movement has definately had an effect, at least enough of one that the leftist at the IRS were willing to break various laws & regulations in order to target & harrass various chapters of it.

Granted the movement is still somewhat small, but hopefully it will continue to grow, the more people we can "wake up" the more change we will be able to effect.

It's really our best shot at returning our government back to our founding principles ...

[JohnC]

This might be a jumbled up explanation as I'm not feeling well after being rear-ended by a silly chick on her cellphone driving a Lexus today, but here it goes anyway.

I've said it before and I'll say it here again, you win this by taking back the education system and then the kids will graduate and take the place back from the old left-wing when they start retiring and taking dirt-naps. How the heck do you think the left-wing did this in the first place? Look where they are, what they're teaching, what movies are playing, and what the media propaganda is on 95% of the news outlets. Every time you can take more of the curriculum back through revisions and updates, you graduate a more pro-freedom youth. Those graduates will take back the schools, judicial, media, entertainment, politics, etc. There is no other way to win this because nothing can be won over night and once people make up their minds, it is almost impossible to get them to change.

FWIW... I said something similar here not too long ago:
 

There is still time to change things peacefully. But that process has to start now.

I suggest starting with our education system. We got to take it back. Once you take it back, you'll be cranking out Americans, not indoctrinated socialists and communists. They will go out in to the system and start taking the jobs of the old retiring socialists and communists in education, media, politics, judges, lawyers, news agencies, etc. They will win this battle for you. You'll never have to fight with a single bullet if you do it like that.

Otherwise, if we sit on our asses and don't put in the work like the left did to change the system, we lose and they win. Their victory will be because we were too lazy to put in the time and work it takes to secure the future of America as originally intended by our founders for the next generation.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/65035-29-think-armed-revolution-needed/?p=965695

[scoutfsu]

So you are asserting folks just imagined that the DHS placed an order for 1.6+ billion rounds of ammunition &/or 2,700 MRAP vehicles?




 

I'm asserting that it was already proven wrong.  But that doesn't matter.  All people see is the sensational flash of the headline and that's what sticks. 

 

So what was your background again?  You never really directly answered.

[RichardR]

I'm asserting that it was already proven wrong. But that doesn't matter. All people see is the sensational flash of the headline and that's what sticks.

So what was your background again? You never really directly answered.

Proven wrong? You might want to tell that to the members of the House of Representatives because they just voted to prevent the DHS from making any more billion+ ammunition purchases without first getting the "ok" from Congress.

Oh and my background is not pertinent to the discussion, I'm not even sure why Dave asked about it in the first place, except maybe to try to "one up" my resume' or some such nonsense.

[Guest Hound]

TGO division/brigade/gaggle?

[runco]

Is the DHS preparing for War against the U.S. Citizens?   My tin foil says no, but civil control in a crisis, YES!  I do think lessons learned from Katrina taught both the governments and citizens of how to prepare.  My tin foils says the government is just planning for more events in the future, natural disasters, terrorism, and civil unrest brought on by possible future government policies

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I only see a lot of hedging of bets and very
little organization to work together to solve
the problems we face.
If you can't get behind the Tea Party and you
can't trust the Republicans( which I can't ), it's
making the alternative look lost. The individual
can't do much alone, except pat himself on the
back, and go down with the rest of the rats.

[Defender]

One thing I just don’t get...why do people think it couldn’t happen here?  While I try my best to leave my tin foil hat  on the top shelf in the back of my closet, sometimes I want to get it out and make sure it still fits! I’ve always thought this was the best country in the world, bar none! Lately, though, while I still feel that way, I find that the differences between us and other countries are eroding at an alarming pace.  A few hundred years ago, we fought a long hard war to, in part, not be like our European cousins.  Now, many of our people on the left are drinking that Kool-Aid.  Trying to be MORE Europeanish...I've lived in Europe, and I’m here to tell you that it is NOT better than here.  Even the so called free countries of Western Europe and Great Britain are overly restrictive and lack the basic freedoms that we’ve almost always enjoyed. I’m not talking about JUST the 2nd Amendment type freedoms either, but even the 1st Amendment type rights we have.  Hell, open your eyes, already the left, here, are trying to inhibit free speech when it is opposed to or critical of their policies. It IS happening here!  No they are not rounding people up...yet, but it has started. Perhaps we can slow it or stop it in time, I don’t know.  But if we don’t wake the hell up soon, then when we do wake up, it will be too late..

[scoutfsu]

Proven wrong? You might want to tell that to the members of the House of Representatives because they just voted to prevent the DHS from making any more billion+ ammunition purchases without first getting the "ok" from Congress.

Oh and my background is not pertinent to the discussion, I'm not even sure why Dave asked about it in the first place, except maybe to try to "one up" my resume' or some such nonsense.

 

Do you even know what a IDIQ contract is and how it works?  Again, it was not an order for 1.6 billion rounds or 2700 MRAPs.  The wonderful members of the HoR that voted on that....I bet few have any sort of idea on what they're really voting about.  Their aides, maybe....  But I wouldn't put money on it.  Kinda like the member of the HoR from NY that voted against "the shoulder thing that goes up."

 

People ask about your back ground bc it helps to know where you're coming from, your knowledge base, experiences, etc.  Wiki and Google make too many people internet experts.

 

I'm not saying the Gov't isn't capable of some screwed up things or they always have our best interests at heart.  I am saying that relying on discredited information to make your claims is pretty silly.  It takes away the validity of your argument.  It would be nice if people used some of the same skepticism and asked the same questions of the information they rely on rather than blindly parrot it.  Kinda like the people who get their infor from FaceBoom mime's.

 

But whatever, I'm going to step out on this one.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

It does come down to judgement and experience. Theoretical conspiracists sometimes seem to live in fantasy land, having no ability to distinguish sheets from shinola. On the other hand, how certain is it that our fearless leaders have any firmer grasp of reality? Or even if they have the sense god gave a goose?

 

It is a compelling argument on the one hand to say "XXX can't happen because it makes no sense." So in that case how did all the crack-brained government policies happen, because they certainly don't seem to make a lick of sense, and therefore ought to have been impossible. :)

 

Do Nepolitano, Holder, Obama, etc, have sufficient judgement and experience to know that a surveillance state "can't be done because it makes no sense?" That would be the interesting question. Hopefully they do have sufficient judgement and experience, but gee, just look at em and what they do...

[ted]

Yep some are seeing it even in congress .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7IPc062aWc

[DaveTN]

We have similar backgrounds & I am also well traveled.

Only the foolish or deluded would deny the growing similarities between America 2.0 & the former Soviet Union.

You yourself just said: "I think the man (obama) is intentionally doing everything he can to destroy the country".

Well considering he promised to "fundamentally transform" the nation, I'd say he's just making good on his promise, the real question is transform it into what though?

A communist nation-state? based on his track record that'd be a solid bet, what happens to dissidents in a communist nation? Are dissenting opinions welcomed into the public discourse? Are they allowed to participate in the political process? Or are they repressed? what are they repressed with? A massive domestic police force? & what has the DHS become?

If pointing out the obvious is considered "looney" ... and ignoring or mocking the obvious is "normal" what does that tell you about the current mindset of the American people?

 Okay, I took your questions seriously and gave a serious response.  You seem upset that people aren’t taking what you say seriously, but come right out of the gate and it appears to me you are implying that I am foolish or deluded. Do I think the country will become a communist form of government? Absolutely not. But when the government is supporting you they have a lot more say in what you do than with those of us who (at this time) are supporting ourselves.

 

The ammunition issue has been addressed in many threads; some members have even done the math. This is just an issue Alex Jones got hold of a made a big issue of it for personal gain. This guy makes preposterous allegations with little or no evidence; he’s laughing all the way to the bank.

 

 You keep using the word communism. Do I think our country will become communist? Well, for that to happen our government would have to collapse and the Constitution repealed.  Yes, there things that I see as a problem. Microsoft, Facebook and Google having gag orders placed on them about what and how much information the government has asked for is concerning. When those companies say they are being barred from talking about it; that is a violation of freedom of speech. I assume these issues will end up being decided by the SCOTUS.  I have no problem with any law enforcement agency investing a person, getting a warrant, and obtaining any information they need. But non-specific warrants and gag orders shouldn’t fly.

 

These kinds of things are issues we will have to take up at the next election.

 

The economy will determine if our county fails or not. As long as gun control, DHS spending, and foreign policy stays in the headlines; Obama and his crew doesn’t have to field the hard questions on the economy.

 

You say you served in the military. Do you think the military you served in would attack American citizens, or that the military and law enforcement would stand by and watch while DHS does it?

[RichardR]

Meh, I'm not really interested in arguing semantics.

And no I'm not "upset" at all, I am however a bit bewildered by some of the responses, seems like everyone wants to argue/debate details & definitions instead of addressing the actual problems.

Communism, socialism, marxism, totalitarianism, authoratarianism, Obamaism, pick your prefered poison, it all has the same end result.

[DaveTN]

Asking why is only "moonbat" to folks who wish to squelch the discussion, personally I'd like some answers on those reasons why& not just denials, double-talk or mockery.

 

 

Meh, I'm not really interested in arguing semantics.

And no I'm not "upset" at all, I am however a bit bewildered by some of the responses, seems like everyone wants to argue/debate details & definitions instead of addressing the actual problems.

Communism, socialism, marxism, totalitarianism, authoratarianism, Obamaism, pick your prefered poison, it all has the same end result.

 

Point taken. I took the time to answer you with what I thought was intelligent responses. I thought it was a discussion, not an argument.

[RichardR]

Point taken. I took the time to answer you with what I thought was intelligent responses. I thought it was a discussion, not an argument.

Meh, discussion/arguement/debate = semantics again.

Normally I don't mind chasing semi-relevant tangencies, I'm just limited on my free time today & I apologize if I am coming off sounding curt.

I do not recall reading a response addressing the actual issue regarding the "militarization" of our domestic law enforcement agencies ... or the reason's why our federal agencies are being "armed to the teeth" under this administration.

Only assertions & reassurances that our LEA/LEO's (or military) would never comply with or obey unConstitutional orders, however I believe the recent events in Boston clearly show that to be a misguided belief.

Or did we all just imagine that we watched a video of armed law enforcement officers locking down the entire city of Boston & going door to door forcefully removing homeowners at gunpoint & unlawfully searching hundred(s) of homes w/out a warrant & w/out consent?

Is it "looney" to believe that actually happened? Or "tin-foil-hattery" to think that it could happen again?

What's to stop it? Nothing, not the Constitution, not the military, not the other LEO's stopped it from happening in Boston. Who or what will prevent it from happening again?