NSA Collecting Your Info From Verizon

[wewoapsiak]

http://guardiannews.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

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[jhc77]

As long as they don't rat me out how many times my moms calls me I'm alright with it. Sucks for the customers but if they kept there nose clean, there is nothing to worry about.

[whitewolf001]

Exercise, pork, muslim. There, now we're all together... on the list. :woohoo:

[10-Ring]

Burn phone for all of the time, registered with false info!

[TMF]

Sucks for the customers but if they kept there nose clean, there is nothing to worry about.

True, but not the point at all. If we applied that logic to all things cops wouldn't bother asking before coming into your house or searching your car. I've been to countries where there are no boundaries for law enforcement. That same logic exists. We don't want that here, trust me.

[wewoapsiak]

CNN Link

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[Garufa]

As long as they don't rat me out how many times my moms calls me I'm alright with it. Sucks for the customers but if they kept there nose clean, there is nothing to worry about.

 

That is precisely the mentality that has gotten this country to the point we are at now, where the government can do whatever it is they like.  If you haven't done anything wrong then there is no reason or excuse whatsoever for them to even think about accessing or otherwise analyzing your personal affairs.

[dcloudy777]

It sucks, and people need to get fired over it.  That being said, legally speaking you may have a "reasonable expectation of privacy", but in the crappy real world, I don't think you can reasonably expect to have any sort of real privacy over any sort of wirless network.  I try very hard never to say anything over a phone or on the internet that I would cause me any more than embarrassment if a judge read it.  It sucks, and it really needs to change, but that's the way it is.  

 

  DanO

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[TMF]

It sucks, and people need to get fired over it. That being said, legally speaking you may have a "reasonable expectation of privacy", but in the crappy real world, I don't think you can reasonably expect to have any sort of real privacy over any sort of wirless network.

Well in this case no one will be fired since there was a court order issued by judge, so the NSA was acting within the law. The issue this brings up is the lack of oversight by the American people as to how the government is interpreting the laws, since it is being done in secret courts.

They aren't spying on content (as far as we know), they are spying on records of who called whom. That should not be so alarming since such things are done with warrants all the time, but the fact they are doing it indiscriminately in bulk is the problem. They are collecting everyone's info. That is bad, bad, bad, bad bad precedent. The American people should have some outrage directed at their elected leadership regarding this, and look into how one gets a foreign intelligence judge ousted.

[Chucktshoes]

[BrasilNuts]

Click it or ticket.

[jhc77]

That is precisely the mentality that has gotten this country to the point we are at now, where the government can do whatever it is they like.  If you haven't done anything wrong then there is no reason or excuse whatsoever for them to even think about accessing or otherwise analyzing your personal affairs.

I'm no where near a political person, but the government is going to do what ever they want. Some heads might role at some point over this, but no matter how much people raise cane and voice there opinions, there going to carry on tearing things up. I'm to the point that I want my option of 40 acres and a mule and live of the land, but that would mean I'd not see my son and soon to be newborn in December. Wife likes modern conveniences of today's lifestyles. I'd like to live like my grandfather did, minus the World War of course.

[whitewolf001]

 

 

 

Win

[wewoapsiak]

MSNBC article discussing how republicans have blocked measures to prevent NSA from doing this very thing.

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[TripleDigitRide]

Why only Verizon?

[JWC]

Cause Sprint coverage sucks in muslim countries? and also in this county...

[TMF]

Why only Verizon?

I have a feeling this order was the only one leaked, so far.

[RichardR]

I'm no where near a political person, but the government is going to do what ever they want. Some heads might role at some point over this, but no matter how much people raise cane and voice there opinions, there going to carry on tearing things up. I'm to the point that I want my option of 40 acres and a mule and live of the land, but that would mean I'd not see my son and soon to be newborn in December. Wife likes modern conveniences of today's lifestyles. I'd like to live like my grandfather did, minus the World War of course.

Welcome to America 2.0, where everything not prohibited, is compulsory.

[Guest TankerHC]

NSA started collecting personal info under the Patriot Act in earnest last year. They refurbished and opened a building in DC loaded with all sorts of new monitoring equipment. The Verizon, AT&T and Bell South stories are old news, that was announced in 2006. In fact every phone conversation made in the last 8 years has been recorded. NUMEROUS Free Web organizations posted articles about it over the last couple of years, With the Patriot Act and the changes to the Federal Web Security laws there is not even a need for a warrant any longer. Unfortunately Congress passed these laws and they have withstood scrutiny by the Federal Courts. The NSA has the largest database in history. Personal anything is gone out the window. Emails, Phone Conversations, what you say on any site, can all be collec ted without a warrant and used against you if necessary. The Politicians, the Left, the Courts, all think this is a fine thing, they did it for your safety.

 

Politicians know that by talking and not doing they are safe (They think) come re-election. As long as people are talking up in DC after their deeds are done, they don't have to do anything. The American people sit back and watch the hearings, nothing gets done. Which is why Benghazi, AP, Fox, IRS, none of it is going to amount to a hill of beans.

 

The only thing that matters at the moment is Abortion, Gay Rights and Illegal Aliens. The rest of it, a bump in the road for the Kings and Queens of Washington.

 

When is the last time you heard anything SERIOUS about Fast and Furious. They talked it away in hearings.

[TMF]

ABC news is lighting up Obama on this one right now. They even pulled out some footage of Obama in 2007 speaking in outrage over GWB doing the same exact thing.

[whitewolf001]

ABC news is lighting up Obama on this one right now. They even pulled out some footage of Obama in 2007 speaking in outrage over GWB doing the same exact thing.

 

That's a surprise, a lamestream smacking their precious fuhrer in ze face? Uncommon that...

[vontar]

 

 

 

 

I stole that for FB.

 

BTW I don't believe it is only Verizon.  If they are doing it for one, they are doing it for all.

[npgunner]

Just saw a news story on Fox that the NY Times gave Obama, the entire administration, and Congress a shredding in the editorial today over this.

[Randall53]

I'm sure they have many copies of our conversations also.

[TMF]

That's a surprise, a lamestream smacking their precious fuhrer in ze face? Uncommon that...

I was also surprised. It was their top story, and they were pretty detailed. I would say that they didn't have a choice because the story has gotten so much traction, but they included video of him contradicting himself in 2007; that is not normal for the liberals.