Anti-Muslim Speech Can Be Punished

[mikegideon]

If I say, "Muslims are a bunch sheep raping screw heads", 

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Goats. They're into goats :)

[Chucktshoes]

Goats. They're into goats :)

Don't forget donkeys. I've seen the FLIR videos of that, lol.

[TMF]

Goats. They're into goats :)

Well, specifically referencing the area I have the most experience which is everything west of Iran, it is almost entirely sheep (which might as well be goats to me). Afghanistan has many a raped goat though.

[Hershmeister]

I posted in the other thread about this, but I get the impression they are speaking about threats made on social media, not offensive speech.

If I say, "Muslims are a bunch sheep raping screw heads", I'm protected under the 1st Amendment.

If I go to an Islamic Facebook page and post, "I'm gonna break the legs of one of you sheep raping Muslims", I have just committed a crime. I think the civil rights violation comes into play since the threat itself is aimed at intimidating someone with violence due to simply practicing their religion. That should not be okay for anyone to do in the US, whether it be aimed at Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, Hindus, etcetera.

The issue I see is the curious use of the "civil rights" violation language. Clearly making a clear threat to an individual is completely in appropriate. Vague threats to a generic group? How in the world do you even prosecute that?

To be clear, I don't condone making threats A vague or specific, against individual OR groups. I am concerned about the chilling nature of a federal attorney's statement that he intends to prosecute people based on their speech , even if it is offensive, it's still protected.

[mikegideon]

Well, specifically referencing the area I have the most experience which is everything west of Iran, it is almost entirely sheep (which might as well be goats to me). Afghanistan has many a raped goat though.

 

Ah. You're talking about the more civilized ones. I was thinking more of Osama's chosen people :)

[leroy]

The issue I see is the curious use of the "civil rights" violation language. Clearly making a clear threat to an individual is completely in appropriate. Vague threats to a generic group? How in the world do you even prosecute that?

To be clear, I don't condone making threats A vague or specific, against individual OR groups. I am concerned about the chilling nature of a federal attorney's statement that he intends to prosecute people based on their speech , even if it is offensive, it's still protected.

 

My hilite.   Hersh is exactly spot on on this.... He is dead right....  It is designed and contrived with the intent of scaring the citizenry and chilling dissenting speech and other protected activities. 

 

This is nothin more than a potential (...and i repeat, potential...) method to harass dessenters from the "pathway to utopia" via the "chicago way" carried out by an arm of the Executive Branch of the federal government with arrest power and a de facto license to shoot the citizenry if it resists during official visits. The power to use the courts to harass "political enemies" (...read that as citizens who wont bow down and dont agree with the regieme's policies and actions....) and to use federal officers armed with the power shoot interviewees in the performance of these "official intervews" and harassing legal proceedings is the big concern.  That's why this is a potentially serious thing; despite our giggling about it.  It is, in fact, government out of control.

 

The actual issue, whowever, is more "Gibson exotic wood raid" and "IRS audit" stuff.  It is malicious investigation and harassment of political enemies. 

 

Our esteemed U S Attorney for East Tennessee full well knows a citizen cannot be prosecuted for expressing their views that meet the "protected speech" rules under the First Amendment.  If ya dig around in these court rulings you will see the justices refer to issues of a public nature (...that is, issues such as questions as to the conflict between people groups as to religion --- Muslum vs Judism vs Christianity; theoracy vs republican government; shria law vs constitutional law, taxes, potential questionable biological heritage of polititians and bureaucrats,  ... bla bla bla... ya get the picture...) as "protected speech".  He has to know that.

 

leroy

Edited June 4, 2013 by leroy

[ted]

Well I found this on the net jest the other day interesting http://www.siotw.org/

[Sam1]

Anyone know where to get an update on this meeting?  Can't find any info anywhere and it should be ongoing.

[Sam1]

Well, story on the blaze this morning is that pretty much nothing productive was done because of a couple of hecklers.

[ted]

Well, story on the blaze this morning is that pretty much nothing productive was done because of a couple of hecklers.

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jun/05/crowd-lashes-out-at-us-attorney/

[ted]

Found this http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/BillSummaryArchive.aspx?BillNumber=HB1353&ga=107 and http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/Billinfo/BillVotesArchive.aspx?ChamberVoting=H&BillNumber=HB1353&ga=107

[leroy]

http://timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jun/05/crowd-lashes-out-at-us-attorney/

 

Thanks Ted!  Interestin read.  Looks to me like there were more "First Amendment" supporters there than muslum faithful..  It looks to me like that Mr Killian got a dose of "First Amendment" speech.  Lots of it painfully true.   A special thanks for all of those who passed out the lesson.

 

leroy
 

[ted]

Here is another one http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/04/embarrassing-hecklers-ruined-highly-anticipated-muslim-education-meeting-in-tennessee-comedian-jeff-allen-tells-theblaze/

[Caster]

I offer muzzies a pulled pork sandwich with my left hand and show them my star of David tattoo on my right arm while telling them the story of how mohammed was circumcised by a cross eyed rabbi.  

 

Yep, come get me, i broke the law!

[TMF]

I offer muzzies a pulled pork sandwich with my left hand and show them my star of David tattoo on my right arm while telling them the story of how mohammed was circumcised by a cross eyed rabbi.

Yep, come get me, i broke the law!

A true ambassador!

[Hershmeister]

Interesting that all the media headlines are focused on "hecklers" and burying the lede about the use of free speech, which seemed from the repeats to have been reinforced by the thoroughly neutered AG.

[Sam1]

That's why I wish the hecklers would've stfu. This was a great opportunity to watch the guy dig a very deep hole, but it was interrupted by a couple of people that helped validate the victimization of the Muslim people involved there.