Bill That Makes Proposing Gun Control Laws a Felony

[Guest AmericanWorkMule]

We need this in Tennessee

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/19/missouri-gop-rep-turns-the-tables-on-dems-introduces-bill-that-makes-proposing-gun-control-laws-a-felony/

 

Rep. Mike Leara (R-St. Louis) introduced legislation Monday that would make “any member of the general assembly who proposes legislation that further restricts an individual’s right to bear arms” guilty of a class D felony.

 

[wjh2657]

This act violates so many other rights as to be ridiculous. Think it through, this is bad. . Yes, I want my Second Amendment rights protected, but I am not willing to surrender all the other rights to do it.

Edited May 20, 2013 by wjh2657

[LagerHead]

^^^Exactly what he said. Horrible idea by a politician pandering to a group of his constituents. It's one of those laws that has zero chance of passing, only introduced in the hopes of buying him votes. 

[JayC]

It won't pass, but it's a great idea...  I've always said if you vote for a law that is later tossed out in part or whole as unconstitutional, you should get shipped directly to federal prison for 10 years.

[dcloudy777]

Very dangerous precendent.... This time proposing a new gun law gets you locked up, 10 years from now, maybe it's proposing a tax cut that gets you locked up. 

[Guest PapaB]

Leara should be removed from office for trying to violate the Constitution. Doesn't matter what party they're with or what their intention is, if they're not smart enough to understand the Constitution, they're not smart enough to hold office imho.

[LagerHead]

It won't pass, but it's a great idea...  I've always said if you vote for a law that is later tossed out in part or whole as unconstitutional, you should get shipped directly to federal prison for 10 years.

 

So you support shipping the politicians in Kennesaw, GA that voted to mandate gun ownership to prison then? Because if it's unconstitutional to force a mandate to buy insurance surely forcing one to buy a gun is equally unconstitutional. 

[Jonnin]

There is a process for changing the constitution.  It involves a supermajority vote and is extremely difficult (by design).  

 

The crooks that go around the above process by making laws that weaken the constitution have broken the law by doing so. 

 

At that point, in my eyes, they ARE felons. 

[JayC]

Well, while I believe forcing anybody to buy something is unconstitutional, the Kennesaw law allowed any adult to opt out if they had a moral or ethical objection to firearm ownership.

 

And there is plenty of very old case law supporting the fact that members of the militia can be required to own firearms, and show up and drill with them per local laws...  and that property owners who weren't members of the militia had to provide a replacement or money to offset their inability to to serve in the militia.

 

I question the soundest of the Kennesaw law, but it's purely voluntary in nature and doesn't appear to be unconstitutional.

 

But, if we could pass an amendment to toss politicians who violate their oath in jail... I'd be happy to ship the Kennesaw politicians off to prison...  because it would quickly solve the problem of passing stupid overreaching laws.

 

So you support shipping the politicians in Kennesaw, GA that voted to mandate gun ownership to prison then? Because if it's unconstitutional to force a mandate to buy insurance surely forcing one to buy a gun is equally unconstitutional. 

Edited May 23, 2013 by JayC

[Jonnin]

Well, while I believe forcing anybody to buy something is unconstitutional, the Kennesaw law allowed any adult to opt out if they had a moral or ethical objection to firearm ownership.

 

And there is plenty of very old case law supporting the fact that members of the militia can be required to own firearms, and show up and drill with them per local laws...  and that property owners who weren't members of the militia had to provide a replacement or money to offset their inability to to serve in the militia.

 

I question the soundest of the Kennesaw law, but it's purely voluntary in nature and doesn't appear to be unconstitutional.

 

It is neutral.  Nowhere does the constitution weigh in on mandated purchases; you could call them a tax and wrap it up as very constitutional.  If you want to go the absolutist route of saying if its not in there, its illegal --- well that battle was lost when jackson was in office I think, or before, with the federal bank?

 

Some things I am ok with the government saying to buy.  For example, children's vaccinations (not up on the exact laws here but I think all kids have to have them to go to school or something).   Its a slippery slope, but some things actually ARE for the public good, and disease control is one of em.  MOST things are NOT in this sort of category.

Edited May 23, 2013 by Jonnin

[JayC]

Except there is a religious and moral exception clause for vaccination's, you're not forced by the government to buy them, or give them to your children.  And while I believe wearing seat belts and taking vaccinations are good things, I don't think the government has the constitutional nor the moral authority to tell me that I have to wear a seat belt, nor force me to give my child medical treatment that I may find questionable.

 

The fact is we gave our government a very limited set of powers, and anything beyond those specific powers are prohibited.  If the government needs the ability to force children to take vaccinations there is a method in place to change the state and federal constitution.  Anything else is tyranny.

 

It is neutral.  Nowhere does the constitution weigh in on mandated purchases; you could call them a tax and wrap it up as very constitutional.  If you want to go the absolutist route of saying if its not in there, its illegal --- well that battle was lost when jackson was in office I think, or before, with the federal bank?

 

Some things I am ok with the government saying to buy.  For example, children's vaccinations (not up on the exact laws here but I think all kids have to have them to go to school or something).   Its a slippery slope, but some things actually ARE for the public good, and disease control is one of em.  MOST things are NOT in this sort of category.

 

[LagerHead]

Well, while I believe forcing anybody to buy something is unconstitutional, the Kennesaw law allowed any adult to opt out if they had a moral or ethical objection to firearm ownership.

 

And there is plenty of very old case law supporting the fact that members of the militia can be required to own firearms, and show up and drill with them per local laws...  and that property owners who weren't members of the militia had to provide a replacement or money to offset their inability to to serve in the militia.

 

I question the soundest of the Kennesaw law, but it's purely voluntary in nature and doesn't appear to be unconstitutional.

 

But, if we could pass an amendment to toss politicians who violate their oath in jail... I'd be happy to ship the Kennesaw politicians off to prison...  because it would quickly solve the problem of passing stupid overreaching laws.

 

I didn't make my point clear but your wording here will actually help me. The point is, your solution to politicians "passing stupid overreaching laws" is for politicians to pass a stupid overreaching law. 

 

Many laws that are passed are considered constitutional until someone challenges them and the Supreme Court makes decisions on them. You would have to be able to gauge intent. Of course publicly every law passed by our all-knowing and wise politicians is for "the children" or "the greater good." We both know the truth of course. Either way, it's not like there are ever more than two politicians out of a thousand that would ever pass a law that didn't either directly or indirectly benefit them, let alone runs the risk of doing them actual harm.