Are we making it too easy?

[itchytriggerfinger]

Let me first say, this AR-15 Covert Carry Kit is pretty slick.  I like it.  But are we making it too easy for the bad guys?  I mean really?  Who needs this other than someone needing to get a rifle in somewhere it doesn't need to be?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CkTwE0fZYXY

 

 

[Spots]

First thoughts? Would be great for a police officer or protection specalist who needed to keep an AR close by, but wanted it to remain low profile. As far as a crimanal? Whats to keep him from throwing a pistol upper and a rifle lower in a gym bag? Covert, concealed, and two pins to make it complete. If he is commiting a crime he probably doesnt care if an SBR is legal.

Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

[Guest Darth Maul]

Absolutely useless and no need for it. IMO.

[Peace]

That intro .... Bwah haa ha haaaa!! The second he stepped out in a photography vest, I lost it. Oh, and if you're wearing a drop-leg, you can probably just have your rifle assembled or disassembled in any bag you want. Your cover is blown.

Would the Eagle Scout in me love to have a brief-case long gun as an option? Yes, I love being prepared for any contingency. The chances of me ever covertly deploying a long gun (in a relaxed manner) on our soil in an urban environment??? Low.

It seems to me that it is a rig intended for planned deployment, not reaction/defense. If times are bad and you need it, ... it seems like it takes a long, long time to deploy.

If it is being marketed for contractors overseas.... Then by all means, the intro makes more sense.... Maybe. Edited May 5, 2013 by Peace

[itchytriggerfinger]

Yeah I laughed pretty good as well. I though... hmmm, maybe this is part of the new IDPA rules to be released this week.  LOL

[gregintenn]

Who needs this

 

 

With all due respect, I'm about sick and tired of hearing this question in gun discussions. This seems like a pretty slick setup to me. Who here doesn't have stuff they don't "need"?

[itchytriggerfinger]

Actually, I use everything I own.

[gregintenn]

Actually, I use everything I own.

There's a difference in using something and needing it. I believe you've missed my point.

 

I don't need this computer I'm sitting in front of. I do use it. I don't see why I shouldn't have it simply because I can't prove a need for it.

Edited May 5, 2013 by gregintenn

[itchytriggerfinger]

If I use it, I must need it :)

[hipower]

With all due respect, I'm about sick and tired of hearing this question in gun discussions. This seems like a pretty slick setup to me. Who here doesn't have stuff they don't "need"?

 

Well said Greg. As long as the "not me"/ "who really has a need for this"/ and the "this a a reasonable compromise" crowd keep it up, we will have trouble.

 

Just because you, or I, or my father-in-law doesn't object; that doesn't mean it's an item or a position not to defend. 

[Oh Shoot]

I dunno, I tend to like "gray man" stuff.

 

For example, I carry this:

 

 

 

In this:

 

 

 

 

'Course in TN that's legal on my person with an HCP, whereas the rifle wouldn't be with any ammo in case or on you.

 

- OS

[TMF]

I don't "need" a 105mm Howitzer, but I should be able to have one. And sharks with freakin laser beams.

[mikegideon]

With all due respect, I'm about sick and tired of hearing this question in gun discussions. This seems like a pretty slick setup to me. Who here doesn't have stuff they don't "need"?

 

This^^^. This type of thing has been around for awhile. I have one that's almost as discreet as that. This one...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q4YoT-Iq3c

Edited May 5, 2013 by mikegideon

[itchytriggerfinger]

I'm glad I started this conversation.  This isn't the only thing out there I find to have questionable marketing.  So we all know bad guys are going to do bad things, and maybe most aren't smart enough to figure this out.  But some are. 

 

Also, how "easy" are we making it on the libtards to attack us.  I agree, we have to be diligent in defending our freedoms, but there's no reason why we can't use a little common sense. In the video he goes as far to mention this for the "home defense environment".  WTF?  Really? Come on.  You'd be dead if you had to get your AR out of the briefcase under the bed.  If he would have come out and said "this is being marketed for law enforcement and security applications," I would have said "cool" and the post would have been completely different.  But no.  This is marketed to the general public as an easy way to conceal an AR style rifle.

• You don't need a permit
• You don't need any special licenses
• Easy, perfect, ability to conceal

I think it's safe to say most of us at TGO find this to be a cool novelty just like exploding targets and blowing up stumps with tannerite,  but I'd say were a bit more on the intelligent end of the scale.  I think it's time for all of us to think about how this type of marketing piece is heard by the James Holmes(es) of the world.

[UncleJak]

 I think it's time for all of us to think about how this type of marketing piece is heard by the James Holmes(es) of the world.

 

I think them guys will use whatever they can get their hands on. 

I see where you are coming from, but I wonder to what extent we should limit our freedoms based on the stupidity of others.  A honest, law abiding citizen should have access to anything they desire.

[gregintenn]

Sorry, but I do not follow you. You are complaining about a carrying case for a firearm. I sure hope you aren't advocating for licensing or permits to buy a carrying case. You can't shoot anyone with it, and you certainly cannot fire a gun inside the case. Why the hell is this more dangerous than the standard rifle case?

[mikegideon]

I'm glad I started this conversation.  This isn't the only thing out there I find to have questionable marketing.  So we all know bad guys are going to do bad things, and maybe most aren't smart enough to figure this out.  But some are. 

 

Also, how "easy" are we making it on the libtards to attack us.  I agree, we have to be diligent in defending our freedoms, but there's no reason why we can't use a little common sense. In the video he goes as far to mention this for the "home defense environment".  WTF?  Really? Come on.  You'd be dead if you had to get your AR out of the briefcase under the bed.  If he would have come out and said "this is being marketed for law enforcement and security applications," I would have said "cool" and the post would have been completely different.  But no.  This is marketed to the general public as an easy way to conceal an AR style rifle.

• You don't need a permit
• You don't need any special licenses
• Easy, perfect, ability to conceal

I think it's safe to say most of us at TGO find this to be a cool novelty just like exploding targets and blowing up stumps with tannerite,  but I'd say were a bit more on the intelligent end of the scale.  I think it's time for all of us to think about how this type of marketing piece is heard by the James Holmes(es) of the world.

 

The uglier it gets out there, the more "need" to carry an AR like this. In case you haven't noticed, the Libtards are in all out attack mode already. #### them. I'm tired of worrying about what they think. I think it's cool. I like mine better, only because you don't have to pull the barrel.

Edited May 5, 2013 by mikegideon

[gjohnsoniv]

Yeah, sorry, your point is lost.  I'm not going to subject myself to some "maybe a criminal will use this logic."  Honestly if you want to kill a lot of people, you probably aren't going to buy a rifle specifically for that if you're a criminal, and especially not at that price point.  As OhShoot pointed out, there are much easier ways of carrying a rifle, er pistol that don't require you to assemble it.

[Wingshooter]

Would be pretty useful while on vacation (driving that is) or traveling and not wanting your long gun to stand out from your other luggage. I think it's pretty cool. If a bad guy wants to conceal a AR, he can do it without this anyway. The word "need" does not factor into the 2A IMO.

That said, I'm not going to buy one. I'd rather just take the upper / lower apart and stow it in a small bag. Edited May 5, 2013 by Batman

[Spots]

Does anyone need anything more than a double barrel shotgun? Deceding what a law abiding citizen needs and is allowed to own is a liberal mindset. Timothy Mcveigh used fertilzer to kill several, yet I bought and spread a ton of it two weeks ago. Criminals will find a way, and its not for anyone se to restrict our rights or what we are allowed to buy because of what someone else may do. This is how the NFA got passed. Because who needs a full auto, or a supressor, or a sawed off shotgun. No more infringments, no more compromise.

Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

[Mike.357]

WTF does need have to do with any of it?

 

Moron's,  just as bad as the anti gun crowd who want to know why I need an AK or a 9mm with 16 round mags,  Or why I need crates of ammo for the AK.

[TrickyNicky]

Meh, I've got better things in mind to spend money on personaly but I sure wouldn't say that no one needs it.

The whole briefcase thing is kind of lame IMO but I do like the idea of an AR that can quickly be assembled like that, it would probably make for a good get home gun that you could leave in the trunk. Heck I think I could fit that along with 5-6 loaded mags under my spare tire.

Also not really following the logic that this is somehow any more deadly or scary or even different at all functionally from a standard AR. Oh Shoot's AR is meaner looking come to think of it.

[mikegideon]

I have an AR-7. I certainly don't need it. In fact, I've never shot it. With that said, it's pretty easy to hide, and one of the reasons I bought it.

[npgunner]

Let me first say, this AR-15 Covert Carry Kit is pretty slick. I like it. But are we making it too easy for the bad guys? I mean really? Who needs this other than someone needing to get a rifle in somewhere it doesn't need to be?

I don't agree with this at all ...

Who needs a car capable of going over 75 MPH? After all, that's the speed limit. Why would you need a car that could go that fast unless you were trying to break the law?

The left is coming for guns regardless of what we give them. I'd rather fight my battle on one front (the left) and quit being so dad burned worry about a flank attack from statist right wingers who also believe they know what I "need."

[Wingshooter]

I just thought of the perfect use for this setup...

Wife THINKS you're going to work, but NO. You going to the range! ;)