37mm shotgun

[RC3]

found a 37mm launcher for a reasonable price and 37mm "grenades" that are nothing more than an adaptor for a 12g. I keep hearing about having to get a destructive weapons license or something. Can anyone enlighten me? Its seems like its worth the trouble, but not worth it at the same time.

[Romad7]

Here's what I was able to find when I had the same question.

There might be better answers but this all I could find.

[ATF Ruling 95-3]

18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(4); DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE 26 U.S.C.
section 5845(f)(2); DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE (Firearm having a bore of
more than one-half inch in diameter)

37/38 mm gas/flare guns possessed with cartridges containing
wood pellets, rubber pellets or balls, or bean bags are classified
as destructive devices for purposes of the Gun Control Act, 18
U.S.C. Chapter 44, and the National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. Chapter
53.

ATF Ruling 95-3

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) has examined
various 37/38 mm gas/flare guns in combination with certain types
of ammunition to determine whether these are destructive devices as
defined in the Gun Control Act (GCA), 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, and the
National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53.

Section 5845(f), Title 26, United States Code, classifies
certain weapons as "destructive devices" which are subject to the
registration and tax provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA).
Section 5845(f)(2) provides as follows:

(f) Destructive device. --The term "destructive device" means
* * * (2) any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or
which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action
of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which
have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a
shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary or his delegate finds
is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting
purposes . . .'

Section 5845(f)(3) excludes from the term "destructive device"
any device which is neither designed or redesigned for use as a
weapon and any device, although originally designed for use as a
weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic,
line throwing, safety, or similar device.

The definition of "destructive device" in the GCA (18 U.S.C.
section 921(a)(4)) is identical to that in the NFA.

ATF has previously held that devices designed for expelling
tear gas or pyrotechnic signals are not weapons and are exempt from
the destructive device definition. However, ammunition designed to
be used against individuals is available for these 37/38 mm
devices. This "anti-personnel" ammunition consists of cartridges
containing wood pellets, rubber pellets or balls, and bean bags.

When a gas/flare gun is possessed with "anti-personnel" type
ammunition, it clearly becomes an instrument of offensive or
defensive combat and is capable of use as a weapon. Since these
gas/flare guns have a bore diameter of greater than one-half inch,
fire a projectile by the means of an explosive, and, when possessed
with "anti-personnel" ammunition, are capable of use as weapons,
the combination of the gas/flare gun and "anti-personnel"
ammunition is a destructive device as defined in the GCA and NFA.
As a result, registration as a destructive device is required. Any
person possessing a gas/flare gun with which "anti-personnel"
ammunition will be used must register the making of a destructive
device prior to the acquisition of any "anti-personnel" ammunition.
In addition, the gas/flare guns are classified as firearms as
defined by the GCA when possessed with "anti-personnel" type
ammunition.

Each gas/flare gun possessed with anti-personnel ammunition
will be required to be identified as required by law and
regulations (27 C.F.R. section 178.92 and 179.102), including a
serial number. Any person manufacturing the gas/flare gun and the
"anti-personnel" ammunition must, if selling them in combination,
have the appropriate Federal firearms license as a manufacturer of
destructive devices and must have paid the special (occupational)
tax as a manufacturer of National Firearms Act firearms. Any person
importing the gas/flare gun and the "anti-personnel" ammunition
must, if importing them in combination, have the appropriate
Federal firearms license as an importer of destructive devices and
must have paid the special (occupational) tax as an importer of
National Firearms Act firearms.

Further, the "anti-personnel" ammunition to be used in the
gas/flare launchers is ammunition for destructive devices for
purposes of the GCA. Any person manufacturing the "anti-personnel"
ammunition must have the appropriate Federal firearms license as a
manufacturer of ammunition for destructive devices. Any person
importing the "anti-personnel" ammunition must have the appropriate
Federal firearms license as an importer of ammunition for
destructive devices.

HELD: 37/38 mm gas/flare guns possessed with "anti-personnel"
ammunition, consisting of cartridges containing wood pellets,
rubber pellets or balls, or bean bags, are destructive devices as
that term is used in 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(4) and 26 U.S.C.
section 5845(f)(2).

[RC3]

great, just great. All I wanted to do was fire my 12g shells. I will just tape my damn rock island to my panther. Then they cant bitch at me.

[Romad7]

That would probably make the pistol into an SBR. Just give up now, the government has put way too much effort into ruining your fun:-(

Those inserts for 12g might make it an SBS so you could go that route.

I read somewhere that you can register a 37mm as a DD and legally use giant shotgun shells. Worth looking into if you really want to do it. I know it's still on my list of crazy things to do if I ever have a lot of fun money. Edited April 26, 2013 by Romad7

[Dolomite_supafly]

That would probably make the pistol into an SBR. Just give up now, the government has put way too much effort into ruining your fun:-(

Those inserts for 12g might make it an SBS so you could go that route.

I read somewhere that you can register a 37mm as a DD and legally use giant shotgun shells. Worth looking into if you really want to do it. I know it's still on my list of crazy things to do if I ever have a lot of fun money.

Still costs $200 to make. It is $5 to transfer but if an individual is making the SBS it costs $200.

[RC3]

Still costs $200 to make. It is $5 to transfer but if an individual is making the SBS it costs $200.

wait what? so I can be done. For $200 buck? But is it gonna be one of those things where I have to carry the paperwork with me and dont let anyone borrow it?

[RED333]

Slow down, I read some where that you can own a 37mm flare gun, just dont have any ammo that is bad.

Get a hold of these guys, ask a few questions.

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/37mm-launchers.html

They sell rounds that you can fire and not get into trouble.

make a call to them.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Yeah, a 37mm is perfectly legal as long as you do not own any offensive type ammunition or a caliber conversion that allows you to shoot offensive type ammunition.

[RC3]

Yeah, a 37mm is perfectly legal as long as you do not own any offensive type ammunition or a caliber conversion that allows you to shoot offensive type ammunition.

I just want to fire shotgun shells. Or a 37mm shotgun preferred. I am just looking for something to break the monotony of not having a full auto rpd or rpk. Hell, if I could afford it, I would get a full auto m60 and just call it a day!

[RC3]

Slow down, I read some where that you can own a 37mm flare gun, just dont have any ammo that is bad.

Get a hold of these guys, ask a few questions.

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/37mm-launchers.html

They sell rounds that you can fire and not get into trouble.

make a call to them.

would you go to the range and fire a flare at the target? probably not, but now, I want to do it!

[RC3]

all they have is dumb flares and smoke. Cant use that at the range. But this....now this looks interresting http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/1911-sbr-kit.html

[Dolomite_supafly]

I just want to fire shotgun shells. Or a 37mm shotgun preferred. I am just looking for something to break the monotony of not having a full auto rpd or rpk. Hell, if I could afford it, I would get a full auto m60 and just call it a day!

Illegal unless you have an approved form in hand.
 

 

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/identification-of-nfa-firearms.html

 

 

Flare Launcher Inserts  

Classification

Any Other Weapons, only when possessed with a flare launcher

Distinctive Characteristics

Generally made of metal

Special Note

25 mm 12 GA adapter is lawful unless modified

Rate of Transfer Tax $200.00 if installed in a flare launcher (making of AOW)

Edited April 27, 2013 by Dolomite_supafly

[Romad7]

Slow down, I read some where that you can own a 37mm flare gun, just dont have any ammo that is bad.
Get a hold of these guys, ask a few questions.
http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/37mm-launchers.html
They sell rounds that you can fire and not get into trouble.
make a call to them.

Yeah, those are cool. That's the site I was looking at when I was researching this. I want a 37mm shotgun mounted to the bottom of an S12 SBS, just because.

[RC3]

Yeah, those are cool. That's the site I was looking at when I was researching this. I want a 37mm shotgun mounted to the bottom of an S12 SBS, just because.

I really want to mount the 37mm to the borrom of my 05. So that way, I have 2 shotguns in 1

[RC3]

Illegal unless you have an approved form in hand.

yeah, I give up. Im going to just buy an airsoft one and fire the dumb plastic bbs at the target. Then I'll let the 5.56 do the talking

[Romad7]

wait what? so I can be done. For $200 buck? But is it gonna be one of those things where I have to carry the paperwork with me and dont let anyone borrow it?

Yes, can be done but you need the right paperwork from the ATF like Dolomite said. Looks like American Specialty Ammo has an option to have the engraving done if you are going the DD route. You could contact them about it, they will likely have more experience with this kind of thing.

That 1911 SBR looks pretty cool too!

[Romad7]

would you go to the range and fire a flare at the target? probably not, but now, I want to do it!

Umm, maybe...;-). Sounds fun to me, likely won't be welcomed back though. One of these TGO shoots would be a good place for that.

[RED333]

Flares at any angle that will let hit the ground is gona cause a fire, not a good thing.

[RC3]

Flares at any angle that will let hit the ground is gona cause a fire, not a good thing.

unless you go the armory indoor range, then they will hate you, sue you, and probably shoot you. But I think it will be worth it.

[RED333]

unless you go the armory indoor range, then they will hate you, sue you, and probably shoot you. But I think it will be worth it.

:surrender: :wave: :cool: :rofl: :rock:

no it would not.

Now get out on the water, and let it fly!

[RC3]

nah, im done. Im just going to focus on getting a new car instead of cool shit I can buy for my rifles and pistols. Maybe one day I will get an 37mm launcher or an m203