GOP Lawmakers, and the AMMO Act

[RED333]

From The Blaze

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/gop-lawmakers-hope-to-combat-ammunition-stockpiling-by-govt-agencies-with-ammo-act/

 

 

[T]he legislation would prevent all government agencies except for the Defense Department from purchasing and storing what lawmakers say is an excess amount of ammunition.

The bill’s reach would include DHS and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), two agencies that have found themselves at the center of the ammo controversy.

“As the public learned in a House committee hearing this week, the Department of Homeland Security has two years worth of ammo on hand and allots nearly 1,000 more rounds of ammunition for DHS officers than is used on average by our Army officers,” Inhofe said. “The AMMO Act of 2013 will enforce transparency and accountability of federal agencies’ ammunition supply while also protecting law-abiding citizens access to these resources.”

 

[Randall53]

It's about time.

[DaveTN]

If they can do it to them they can do it to us. (Limit buying) This is BS. DHS isn’t keeping us from getting ammo. Hoarders and those trying to make a profit off the panic buyers is why we don’t have a good supply of ammo.

 

If there was a shortage of resources (ammo) manufacturing would be steeping up to fill the demand. But they aren’t because they know it won’t last long enough to justify the cost.

 

 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That's good. Maybe it could take some of the steam out of the puffed up egos in the pseudo-militarized

robo-cop leadership. It would be funny to see something like that pass.

 

We really should be making our own ammo pact, instead of eating our own. A time will come when the

very people we destroy, not the DC crowd, but our friends and neighbors who tend to agree on things,

will be alienated from each other. That will be the time when the "ruling" class will have won. It has all to

do with capitalism, but that isn't what I mean. Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? That's the game that

is being played and I don't see an end to it. There isn't much of a value system left. This will still take

more than what resources we have in Congress to pass, maybe the House.

 

We still refuse to do our homework. Live for the next minute and you may not see what next year has to

offer. Everything seems to be the "expediency of the moment", in my eyes. It all has to do with a value

system. We don't have one, any more.

 

The message is good, though. :D

[RED333]

6.8 is dead on, the very rich can afford what the government wants to deal with them.

We in the middle class ( I dont know where that income is) will be very poor.

Working our butts off for the meals we need to feed our families, so the very rich can spend their money,

pay taxes that will so high to pay for our meals.

What I got out the bill in congress is refunding DHS, well a bit anyway.

A GOOD THING

[Blitzen]

My wife talked to a local Walmart sports clerk today. Said the same individuals are showing up the three days a week that ammo is brought out and buying it up. A friend of mine that sets up at guns shows said it is private individuals that sell at gun shows gobbling it up at Walmarts. Last time I was at a gun show noticed several vendors had the 100 rd 223 Federal bulk pack commonly sold at Walmarts priced at 80 bucks or higher. The last half of 2012 you could buy it a Walmart all day long for $39.97. Wish Walmart would tell them to take a hike, no ammo came in and then put it out later. Yes DHS is buying a lot of ammo but then again they are getting to be very very large and powerful in their own right.

[TrickyNicky]

If they can do it to them they can do it to us. (Limit buying) This is BS. DHS isn’t keeping us from getting ammo. Hoarders and those trying to make a profit off the panic buyers is why we don’t have a good supply of ammo.
 
If there was a shortage of resources (ammo) manufacturing would be steeping up to fill the demand. But they aren’t because they know it won’t last long enough to justify the cost.

This +1.

[Guest danielh03]

As far as the high prices are going, I have noticed that is the novice shooters that are willing to pay the inflated prices. Most of the people who are going to gun shows to buy ammo are people who purchased their first .223 9mm etc since December 14th. More experienced or serious shooters normally have a decent amount of ammo on hand, or the means to reload at least.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

As far as the high prices are going, I have noticed that is the novice shooters that are willing to pay the inflated prices. Most of the people who are going to gun shows to buy ammo are people who purchased their first .223 9mm etc since December 14th. More experienced or serious shooters normally have a decent amount of ammo on hand, or the means to reload at least.

That's true. There's a lot of hoarding and reselling going on, also. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it

is part of the equation and costs everyone currently in the market, for any commodity.

 

If this "government" hoarding, regardless of whether you agree with it being that, or not, the curtailing of government

purchases in this area would do a lot to get prices closer to reality. The sole reason for the panic buying is directly

related to proposed anti-gun legislation and other infringements already in place, like the Patriot Act, and the media

blowing everything out of proportion in one particular direction.

[JAB]

If they can do it to them they can do it to us. (Limit buying) This is BS. DHS isn’t keeping us from getting ammo. Hoarders and those trying to make a profit off the panic buyers is why we don’t have a good supply of ammo.

 

Huh?  How does a bill that limits what a government agency can do/buy (agencies that, as they are the 'government' already fall under their purview and for whom Congress ostensibly controls the purse strings) equate to a bill limiting what a private individual can purchase with private funds?  Maybe your correlation is spot on but I'm not seeing it.  Explain a little further?

 

Maybe it could take some of the steam out of the puffed up egos in the pseudo-militarized

robo-cop leadership.

 

Even if it does not one thing to help the civilian ammo supply/pricing I think that this would be enough to make it a 'good' bill. 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I guess what I meant to say is that we, as a group, need to be protecting our own interests. We know the federales

don't give a damn about doing what is constitutional. Taking advantage of each other will only hurt a select group:

us. In other words, looking at this like the union pukes do, to an extent, you are my brother and I'm yours. Being

in a group of similar thinking people you might think the people in that group might consider the value of solidarity

within. I'm not saying form a union, but I am saying do what you can to hold costs down. That's hard with pressures

and profits being necessary to feed mouths, but it is part of the problem with the "we are our own worst enemy"

mentality.

 

My attitude about a transaction involves a bit of something called the Golden Rule. I'm not going to crap on someone,

because I expect better. I won't do business with someone after I hear that their crap doesn't stink and mine does.

One of these days it might pay off. Then again, I'm taking care of my business, also, all along. I haven't panicked,

so far. :D

 

That may sound a little different from what I think everyone around here knows my thoughts to be on capitalism.

It jives with capitalism when there are not adverse market pressures forcing things along, like fear, and knowing

that maybe one day I may have to look to one of you guys, or vice versa, it might make it more likely.

Food for thought. Without using reason and logic, some of us, as a group, will screw everyone we can. It's amazing to me.

 

I've tried to get people to think about the political angle around here, mostly, but instead of worrying about what

someone in DC does, and I do email them, I can't think of any way to change that. Maybe some folks will wake up,

eventually. I haven't seen much of a change, though, egos being what they are. The left seem to band together.

One of these days, maybe us on the right will do better. Our set of ethos is sound, unlike theirs. That's what makes

me scratch my head so much.

Edited April 30, 2013 by 6.8 AR

[DaveTN]

Huh?  How does a bill that limits what a government agency can do/buy (agencies that, as they are the 'government' already fall under their purview and for whom Congress ostensibly controls the purse strings) equate to a bill limiting what a private individual can purchase with private funds?  Maybe your correlation is spot on but I'm not seeing it.  Explain a little further?

 

 

Even if it does not one thing to help the civilian ammo supply/pricing I think that this would be enough to make it a 'good' bill. 

 

 

 

“The AMMO Act of 2013 will enforce transparency and accountability of federal agencies’ ammunition supply while also protecting law-abiding citizens access to these resources.”

 

It bothered me when I saw they want to have legislative control of what they call a “Resource”.

 

Acknowledging that ammo is a resource to be controlled by the government is exactly what we are fighting against.

 

The amount of ammo we can get is controlled by a free market and free enterprise. There are plenty of ammunition manufacturers out there. If they can justify the cost of hardware and personnel to increase output; they are doing that now. If they think the demand will return to normal and they will have presses sitting idle and people laid off; they won’t.

 

ATK operates Lake City for the government. If they need more ammunition manufacturing capabilities increase the output of Lake City or open another facility and make more ammo.

 

If they think this ammo purchase is not necessary either; make the head of DHS (or whoevers brain child this was) justify it to congress, or cut their budget. This is really very simple, they have X amount of agents that qualify or practice X times a year using X numbers of rounds. If they need that much ammo; they need it. If they don’t; turn down the request.

 

They start calling it a “resource” that they need to control and they are going to start throwing a ridiculous tax on it like they do with Gas, Cigarettes and Liquor.

 

Everyone on here seems to be crying about .22 ammo. Is the government buying up all the .22 ammo? No, of course they aren’t. A panic caused a spike coupled with the scammers buying up all the ammo and reselling it.

 

I don’t want to see any laws added. But before I would suggest the government control it I would suggest the obvious. Make it illegal to engage in the business of selling of ammo without an FFL.

[RED333]

If we can not help each other, WHAT THE HELL GOOD ARE WE!!!

Fair price ammo is out there, you just have to be in the right place at the right time.

Guy at work picked up 40 S&W for 40 cents a round and 9mm for 30 cents today.

He watched "gun bot" for about 30 mins and found it.

Do not pay gougers prices, it only makes them work harder to get more.

If we stop buy high the price WILL COME DOWN!