Why the GOP won’t challenge vote fraud

[Guest AmericanWorkMule]

I couldn't understand why so many instances of vote fraud have never been taken care of but now I know why.

I keep catching a whiff of the smell of impending doom...

 

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/consent-decree-from-1982-prohibits-the-rnc-from-combatting-vote-fraud

 

 

http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975

[knewcomb]

The only way to stop it is requiring voter id. Until then there's really no way to police it.

[Grand Torino]

I'm done with the GOP for so many reasons. For years I voted for them just cause they are the lesser of two evils. It's Libertarian  for me until the GOP can get their heads out of their asses.

[gregintenn]

I'm done with the GOP for so many reasons. For years I voted for them just cause they are the lesser of two evils. It's Libertarian  for me until the GOP can get their heads out of their asses.

Same here. I really don't give a damn if a Republican ever wins another office until something changes in that party. I know what the Democrats are trying to do, and can prepare to combat it. I never know what the Republicans are up to, and that makes them impossible to defend against.

 

Until people quit voting for them simply because they have an "R" after their name, that's all we'll get from them.

Edited April 13, 2013 by gregintenn

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Same here. I really don't give a damn if a Republican ever wins another office until something changes in that party. I know what the Democrats are trying to do, and can prepare to combat it. I never know what the Republicans are up to, and that makes them impossible to defend against.

 

Until people quit voting for them simply because they have an "R" after their name, that's all we'll get from them.

I feel the same way, except that I don't think letting the Democrats have the House would produce much to

your, or my, pleasure. These kinds of statements don't do anything to correct the problem. Get involved in

the party apparatchik, or find a libertarian candidate with the message that will get over the hurdle, and then

you have the problem solved.

 

A lot of people refuse to realize voting for a libertarian president for years and seeing nothing doesn't do

anything except compound the problem. You have to work from the ground up to gain any momentum in

politics. Getting that city councilman elected and then the mayor, etc, to the governor and on up the food

chain is where the strength is. It's like you see someone like Ted Cruz coming on the stage in Texas, and

everyone, all of a sudden saying "Ted Cruz for President!" He put his time in, too. That kind of mentality

keep any third party recognition at a minimum if all you work towards is one candidate in an almost

impossible election to win.

 

The trouble is that most people don't get involved.

Edited April 13, 2013 by 6.8 AR

[Guest ThePunisher]

Why don't we just throw the towel in and let the commies completely take our country to the brink of no return?

I always thought if something is broken or not performing right that we fix the problem. Completely discarding a broken party for another party that is even more corrupt is why we are seeing our country crumble before our eyes. Quitting instead of fighting to take back the R party, and fixing the problems with the R party is a losing proposition. Helping someone or a party to overcome their problems is what has made our country great for so long. If we quit on the R party, then we quit on our selves, and our country. Edited April 13, 2013 by ThePunisher

[macville]

How is the '82 ruling not a violation of the 14th amendment? If the DNC can do it, then legally the RNC should be able to do it if it's actually true. Otherwise, the republicans are stupid for not suing to overturn it as unconstitutional.

[Grand Torino]

Why don't we just throw the towel in and let the commies completely take our country to the brink of no return?

I always thought if something is broken or not performing right that we fix the problem. Completely discarding a broken party for another party that is even more corrupt is why we are seeing our country crumble before our eyes. Quitting instead of fighting to take back the R party, and fixing the problems with the R party is a losing proposition. Helping someone or a party to overcome their problems is what has made our country great for so long. If we quit on the R party, then we quit on our selves, and our country.

I respectfully disagree. I've been volunteering with state and local elections for years and these assholes just don't seem to grasp reality. They lie their asses off and promise the world but do whatever it is they want once they are elected. Is the Republican ideas better suited to me than the demonrats? Of course it is. But voting Libertarian is more in line with what I believe. I think it might be easier to influence someone in that party than the statist morons that are in charge of the Republican party. Stick around and see what you can do with them if you want...it's your right. Me personally...I've had enough.

[Guest ThePunisher]

I respectfully disagree. I've been volunteering with state and local elections for years and these assholes just don't seem to grasp reality. They lie their asses off and promise the world but do whatever it is they want once they are elected. Is the Republican ideas better suited to me than the demonrats? Of course it is. But voting Libertarian is more in line with what I believe. I think it might be easier to influence someone in that party than the statist morons that are in charge of the Republican party. Stick around and see what you can do with them if you want...it's your right. Me personally...I've had enough.

It's gonna take 50 percent of the electorate to rebell and stick together in voting third party. I just don't see that happening. The challenge is to get real Tea Party candidates in the primaries to run against Rove's Rhinos. If we win the primaries then we can send a message that we're fed up with the establishment.

[jcoosi]

Want to stop voter fraud. One day only to vote, show id and dip thumb in ink that will not wash off for 2 days atleast. The ONLY ones exempt from this would be active military in a foreign theater.

[Guest AmericanWorkMule]

but still, Military votes somehow get lost over the ocean or missing in a warehouse?  :shake:

 

 

Want to stop voter fraud. One day only to vote, show id and dip thumb in ink that will not wash off for 2 days atleast. The ONLY ones exempt from this would be active military in a foreign theater.

Edited April 14, 2013 by AmericanWorkMule

[jcoosi]

but still, Military votes somehow get lost over the ocean or missing in a warehouse?  :shake:

 

I know that is a common problem but how rampant is multiple voting by active military common.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I was speaking to a military member during the recent elections. If I remember correctly this happened a few days before the actual election. He said they were told to have their absentee ballots turned in by 7pm that day local time. Problem was they had not received them yet. And when they received the absentee ballots, the following day, they were told to fill them out but they would not be counted because they were not turned in the previous day.

 

I really like the ink idea. Except use UV ink on top of indelible ink. That way they cannot tell when it is all washed off unless they buy a blacklight.

 

I also hate early voting, it allows those who cheat to have more time to cheat. Elections should be held on a Saturday from 12 midnight to 12 midnight. Not during the week when people work.

 

And finally, if you do not pay taxes, unless you are retirement age, you should not be allowed to vote. Why should someone who doesn't pay taxes have a say in how tax money is spent.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Rand Paul broke through the party apparatchik. Ted Cruz and Allen West did, also. If the right people get in the

game and know how to play, they can and do make it. There are other examples. Just not enough. Must something

to do with attitudes, but that may be changing.

 

It is not necessarily the Republican Party one should be mad at, but the people in control of it. Cynicism just makes

it more difficult to affect change. Everything is an uphill battle.

[Oh Shoot]

And finally, if you do not pay taxes, unless you are retirement age, you should not be allowed to vote. Why should someone who doesn't pay taxes have a say in how tax money is spent.

 

Assume you mean federal income tax. Can't imagine what kind of nightmare bureaucratic interface that would require each year to determine that.

 

- OS

[Dolomite_supafly]

Assume you mean federal income tax. Can't imagine what kind of nightmare bureaucratic interface that would require each year to determine that.

 

- OS

I am pretty sure there is a database of those who file taxes. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Show your ID, look you up on the database and go from there. Even if you don't pay taxes, just filing would be enough.

[Oh Shoot]

I am pretty sure there is a database of those who file taxes. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Show your ID, look you up on the database and go from there.

Maybe so. Lots of complexity there though. So only previous year's tax paid would count? Like, some people have to pay taxes some years and some years they don't.
 

Even if you don't pay taxes, just filing would be enough.

 

Wait a minute. People file to get a "return" without having ever paid a cent in taxes, the earned income and child credit loopholes. Lots of them. Just the type people you do NOT want to vote, I'm sure?

 

- OS

[Dolomite_supafly]

I think making it a requirement that you filed will eliminate a lot of the problem voters. Not all of them but enough to make a difference. We have people voting now that have never filed taxes in their life and they are voting for people who will make the decisions on how taxes are being used.

 

If you are not even willing to file then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Not sure what to do about those that do file and bilk the system. That would be a nightmare to figure out and only add governement to manage it. At least the filing taxes requirement would eliminate some.

 

For the filing taxes requirement have a yes or no database and have it available to all those administrating the voting centers.

[Oh Shoot]

....Not sure what to do about those that do file and bilk the system. ..

 

Prob is the earned income credit/child credit folks are not even fudging, perfectly legit -- that's just the way it's set up. Just another form of welfare most people don't understand they're paying for with their own tax money.

 

- OS

[jcoosi]

Could go back to only vote if you own land.

[Garufa]

Could go back to only vote if you own land.

 

I would have no problem with that.  Pay a mortgage or produce a deed and you get to vote.

[Oh Shoot]

I would have no problem with that.  Pay a mortgage or produce a deed and you get to vote.

 

Well, there goes about half the votes just here on TGO, including moi, just for example.

 

And  other GOP majorities, like seniors (live with kids, RVs, assisted living, etc), perhaps majority of single and career military ...

 

Hard to say which side of the red/blue would be hit harder...especially since only 60% max vote now at all, and 35% on midterms.

 

- OS

[Garufa]

How about we compromise and say anyone receiving any type of direct government assistance is not allowed to vote.  Social Security benefits for seniors doesn't count.  They paid all that money their entire lives with the expectation of a return so it is in fact a retirement account, not welfare.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

How about just anyone who receives government assistance for no real reason, like all welfare programs?

I would like to see the property requirement, but that has changed so much that it isn't feasible, but the

welfare for welfare's sake crowd need to be disallowed. It's obvious who they vote for and the reason they

do it is for purely selfish ones. I paid in for my disability and/ or retirement. I know there are way too many

who don't understand that concept.

 

You have to have something in the game to appreciate it. Those living completely on the public dole don't.

[Oh Shoot]

How about we compromise and say anyone receiving any type of direct government assistance is not allowed to vote.  Social Security benefits for seniors doesn't count.  They paid all that money their entire lives with the expectation of a return so it is in fact a retirement account, not welfare.

 

Military benefits and retirement?  Pell grants? SS disability? There's a lot of them, and not all go to undeserving leeches.

 

- OS