NY state has started to take firearms.

[Guest ThePunisher]

I'm a pediatrician too and those questions are not absurd. We all questions like that because it helps us tailor the advice we give you about your children and also make sure they receive the appropriate care. That information, at least in my care, is purely on the spot and doesn't go in your chart unless i feel it is pertinent in some particular way. Try not to be so paranoid.

You sure you're not a socialist doctor that has drunk the Obama kool-aid of Obamacare. Diagnosing my health by asking about guns in my household, and other impertinent questions that don't pertain one iota to my physical symptoms is nothing more than control by the government. Obamacare is not about healthcare, it's about control of people's lives. You would not be my kids pediatrician very long if you or your office asked these government control questions.

[Major Kong]

I'm a pediatrician too and those questions are not absurd. We all questions like that because it helps us tailor the advice we give you about your children and also make sure they receive the appropriate care. That information, at least in my care, is purely on the spot and doesn't go in your chart unless i feel it is pertinent in some particular way. Try not to be so paranoid.

I don't go to the doctor for advice about my children. My wife and I are raising them just fine on our own. There is also no "appropriate care" for my children based on my ownership of firearms. As mentioned previously you wouldn't be my pediatrician for long with that kind of attitude.

[TMF]

There are a lot more Randy Weavers now than there were 20 years ago. Eventually the gov will come kicking on the wrong door again and get something they ain't expecting. It took a while for the truth to come out on that one, but in the Internet age I see that playing out quite differently. The libs are playing a dangerous game and I don't think they have any idea how dangerous it is.

[Spots]

There are a lot more Randy Weavers now than there were 20 years ago. Eventually the gov will come kicking on the wrong door again and get something they ain't expecting. It took a while for the truth to come out on that one, but in the Internet age I see that playing out quite differently. The libs are playing a dangerous game and I don't think they have any idea how dangerous it is.

 

Nowadays every gun owner in America can know about confiscation within hours. All without the normal media. Prepping and Militias have seen a massive resurgence over the last few years, and the liberals are gonna keep pushing until they find out just how massive that armed resistance might be.

[TMF]

I'm a pediatrician too and those questions are not absurd. We all questions like that because it helps us tailor the advice we give you about your children and also make sure they receive the appropriate care. That information, at least in my care, is purely on the spot and doesn't go in your chart unless i feel it is pertinent in some particular way. Try not to be so paranoid.

And how would you respond to a parent telling you that is none of your business? That is an honest question, not meant to be argumentative. I really don't understand how a pediatrician would assume he/she knows more about firearms than I do.

[Guest MilitiaMan]

Or more about my children's well being then I do.

 

And how would you respond to a parent telling you that is none of your business? That is an honest question, not meant to be argumentative. I really don't understand how a pediatrician would assume he/she knows more about firearms than I do.

[TMF]

Or more about my children's well being then I do.

.

Well, I do respect the profession and the amount of education and experience my children's doc has. In fact, I was just at the pediatrician yesterday for my daughter's checkup. I'm smart enough to know what I'm dumb at, so when it comes to medical opinions and advice I will default to the professionals. If I didn't trust her opinion I'd find a new doc.

I just fail to see where firearms ownership becomes relevant. I guess it could fall into the same category as dangerous household chemicals; as I recall we were given pamphlets and such regarding what to do if your child comes in to contact with such chemicals... I'm pretty sure that's where the poison hotline number that's been on my fridge for the past few years came from. But the difference here is the invasive questioning: "do you own firearms?" If the doc is trying to check the block on advice to new parents it would seem less invasive to simply add during the counseling session, "if you own firearms be sure to secure them so that your child cannot access them." That would be far less invasive and no different than checking the block on household chemicals.

[JohnC]

I'm a pediatrician too and those questions are not absurd. We all questions like that because it helps us tailor the advice we give you about your children and also make sure they receive the appropriate care. That information, at least in my care, is purely on the spot and doesn't go in your chart unless i feel it is pertinent in some particular way. Try not to be so paranoid.

 

So enlighten me, Dr., how does knowing if I have guns in my home help you tailor your medical care for me?

[JohnC]

Let's take this back to the founding of this country and assume nonviolence was the only tool the rebels had against the King just used this tactic. It wouldn't have happened because the King sent his army and would have killed the resistance without a fight. You reach a point that nonviolence doesn't work. If you don't meet tyranny with equal resistance, you end up with totalitarianism. We have allowed the liberals to win arguments using emotion while trying to inject reason and logic. A nonthinking electorate being bribed along with this game caused the issue to proliferate and, when enough people finally quit thinking, because they are taught not to in the schools, they end up as automatons and slaves.

 

People back then were closer to the things that kept them alive. We aren't. They understood and appreciated what value there is of life. We don't. Our role is to teach those who don't know and value life to understand it. That may end up being a very extreme lesson they have to learn, just like our founders had to fight for.

 

Our country has effectively given up on things like the Ten Commandments and a disregard for religion and in it's place has adopted a secular progressive view of society and have forgotten the rule of law because of it. It is the basis for the rule of law, unless you only wish to live with ongoing precedents, which makes the

Constitution nothing more than a living, breathing document. There's your problem.

 

What the government is effectively doing is murdering the American society. when you defend solid principles, like those in the Bible, and the Constitution, it isn't murder. It is completely justified. Of course, some may have to think about that a while to make the connection, and argue against it until they can't, anymore, but that's where your guidance should be taken from.

 

What's that quote? "Give me liberty, or give me death." Maybe more should read all of the text before that ending.

 

If our country won't fight for what we believe in, it's too late, and we will keep on being punished until we

don't exist, anymore.

 

I never said you couldn't defend your life if it was threatened. I'm just saying we should use the exact same progressive tactics the left-wing used to win back our country.

 

I just believe we can win back this country the same way the left took it from us. We just have to be willing to fight the long hard battle that takes a lot of work everyday. At first it will seem like a battle we can't win, but give it some years and you'll start seeing the results.

 

Heck, if the left-wing terrorist Bill Ayers can work his way in to being a college professor and have the political connections he has in the White House, we should have no problem infiltrating the system. :up:

 

A fight like this could actually be fun if you look at it in the right perspective. Plant the seeds and watch them grow. :2cents:

[Guest MilitiaMan]

I agree with the medical part of it. A physician clearly knows more about someone's MEDICAL health, needs etc.

 

I was speaking of my childs overal well being i. e emotional, physical, mental etc. That is my JOB as a parent to know and understand. And of all the jobs I have had in this life, I take parenting to be the most important and critical.

 

PS - I wasn't yelling at you with my capped words lol Just emphasizing.

Well, I do respect the profession and the amount of education and experience my children's doc has. In fact, I was just at the pediatrician yesterday for my daughter's checkup. I'm smart enough to know what I'm dumb at, so when it comes to medical opinions and advice I will default to the professionals. If I didn't trust her opinion I'd find a new doc.

I just fail to see where firearms ownership becomes relevant. I guess it could fall into the same category as dangerous household chemicals; as I recall we were given pamphlets and such regarding what to do if your child comes in to contact with such chemicals... I'm pretty sure that's where the poison hotline number that's been on my fridge for the past few years came from. But the difference here is the invasive questioning: "do you own firearms?" If the doc is trying to check the block on advice to new parents it would seem less invasive to simply add during the counseling session, "if you own firearms be sure to secure them so that your child cannot access them." That would be far less invasive and no different than checking the block on household chemicals.

Edited April 11, 2013 by MilitiaMan

[RED333]

Back on subject, the man got his permit back and gona get his guns back.

Seems the state police made a mistake.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/flaws-revealed-in-ny-safe-act-after-state-resident-has-gun-license-wrongly/

[sigmtnman]

Yeh, as much as I heard about HIPAA being the secrecy for medical records, that is now officially
dead.

Fed laws are written in bizzaro language and are intended to have the opposite affect from the euphamistic name.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I never said you couldn't defend your life if it was threatened. I'm just saying we should use the exact same progressive tactics the left-wing used to win back our country.

 

I just believe we can win back this country the same way the left took it from us. We just have to be willing to fight the long hard battle that takes a lot of work everyday. At first it will seem like a battle we can't win, but give it some years and you'll start seeing the results.

 

Heck, if the left-wing terrorist Bill Ayers can work his way in to being a college professor and have the political connections he has in the White House, we should have no problem infiltrating the system. :up:

 

A fight like this could actually be fun if you look at it in the right perspective. Plant the seeds and watch them grow. :2cents:

We've been trying that for decades, now. The GOP wants to reach across the aisle and make good. Otherwise,

I don't think in a few years we can do anything, with the way we've gone downhill. The economy is ready for a

collapse, the education system is taking over our kids and planting garbage in them, the numbers on federal aid

are completely unsustainable and the media is on the wrong side. These guys are masters and the propaganda

is too much to fight. As much as I'd like to believe that would work, it won't until enough people feel enough pain

and possibly a generation or more eventually die off.

 

When you have been subjected to this much crap for decades and didn't even realize it, the amount to undo is

unimaginable. People are going to have to stand up and say no, and there had better not be a bunch of internet

commandos sitting on the sideline just watching, either. The Constitution is being ripped to shreds and if it is

worth fighting for, still, that doesn't mean wait for the media to tell you the ones who just got arrested were drug

traffickers, when you know better. They will selectively make "examples" of people, something they have been

doing for years, but most people just sit back and take in what the media has to say. That needs to change right

now.

 

I will defend myself. It bothers me to no end to have to say it, but it is just getting too old, just like me, and if

there is no other way to deal with it, so be it. I am not a criminal. I will not tolerate a police state. There are

bigger things than being comfortable. We definitely need to be making the other side quite uncomfortable.

[Guest Pineapple Devil]

So what is the reasonable option?

 

As I see it, these are the options:

1. Hand them over and fight it in through the system, which I agree with you is likely to result in actions/decision we find unacceptable (i.e., taking our guns, not getting them back, undue hassel, etc.)

2. Refuse to hand over your guns, peacefully resist, but ultimately will likely result in your arrest.  Depending on your location, the people around you may or may not be sympathetic to your cause

3. Refuse to hand over your guns, and resist with whatever force is available to you.  This for sure is unlikely to result in good consequences.

 

I think they would be equally as happy if the endgame is either gun confiscation and/or the need to send in the troops against us.  The only way for us to fight this is to vote in politicans sympathetic to our cause and to the Constitution. 

What I would have done is quickly rented a living facility outside of the state and make a claim of permanent change of residence. Live to fight another day. Then I would fight tooth and nail since the cat had been let out of the bag at the aim of confiscation.

 

There will come a point, it may be 10 years down the road, that the line will be crossed and it will be one person to take action. The question will then be will everyone else stand and fight or wait until it is at their door.

[Guest ab28]

He was talking about the related thing, not the gun thing. Relatives marrying can increase negative traits and mutations in offspring. Although, my oldest sister is really hot.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I doubt it will be ten years.

[Spots]

I doubt it will be ten years.

I'd say closer to two. Halfway through Obamas second term. I always thought this country would stand and fight if anyone tried to take their guns, but people are so politically correct, and/or to scared of the goverment that they won't dare speak of standing up to gun confiscation or *gasp* a revolution. I said it before, and I still stand by the fact that I will not be afraid of my goverment, and their jack booted thugs, and I will not give up my guns.

Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

[Worriedman]

 I will not be afraid of my government, and their jack booted thugs

 

They scare me to death, not just for myself, but for my grand children.  I was raised and educated by people who knew what the Constitutions said and meant. (A majority of my peers voted for the current President)  My grandkids will be educated by socialist who think government is the answer to every thing.

[Spots]

 I will not be afraid of my government, and their jack booted thugs


 
They scare me to death, not just for myself, but for my grand children.  I was raised and educated by people who knew what the Constitutions said and meant. (A majority of my peers voted for the current President)  My grandkids will be educated by socialist who think government is the answer to every thing.

They can only do that if you let them. Home school your children, and drive those values home. Just as was done to you and me. And take a stand against the goverments encroachment on your life. A man who is afraid of his goverment is not a freeman, but a slave already.

Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

[GoneBallistic]

They can only do that if you let them. Home school your children, and drive those values home. Just as was done to you and me. And take a stand against the goverments encroachment on your life. A man who is afraid of his goverment is not a freeman, but a slave already.

Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

That's the biggest reason I'm home schooling my kids.

[JohnC]

We've been trying that for decades, now. The GOP wants to reach across the aisle and make good. Otherwise,

I don't think in a few years we can do anything, with the way we've gone downhill. The economy is ready for a

collapse, the education system is taking over our kids and planting garbage in them, the numbers on federal aid

are completely unsustainable and the media is on the wrong side. These guys are masters and the propaganda

is too much to fight. As much as I'd like to believe that would work, it won't until enough people feel enough pain

and possibly a generation or more eventually die off.

 

When you have been subjected to this much crap for decades and didn't even realize it, the amount to undo is

unimaginable. People are going to have to stand up and say no, and there had better not be a bunch of internet

commandos sitting on the sideline just watching, either. The Constitution is being ripped to shreds and if it is

worth fighting for, still, that doesn't mean wait for the media to tell you the ones who just got arrested were drug

traffickers, when you know better. They will selectively make "examples" of people, something they have been

doing for years, but most people just sit back and take in what the media has to say. That needs to change right

now.

 

I will defend myself. It bothers me to no end to have to say it, but it is just getting too old, just like me, and if

there is no other way to deal with it, so be it. I am not a criminal. I will not tolerate a police state. There are

bigger things than being comfortable. We definitely need to be making the other side quite uncomfortable.

 

Just my :2cents:

 

The GOP is all but dead. What I said as a plan of action has nothing to do with them. We don't need those progressives RINO's anymore. We have to go out and do all this work ourselves if we want any real positive change. If folks think they can sit back and keep voting for the GOP and expect things to get fixed, they're delusional.

[Worriedman]

They can only do that if you let them. Home school your children, and drive those values home. Just as was done to you and me. And take a stand against the goverments encroachment on your life. A man who is afraid of his goverment is not a freeman, but a slave already.

Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

 

My children are in their 30s and 40s. They understand, both education and government.  They teach in private schools, their children go there, and I get my licks in when I can.  I instruct in hunting, weapons and tools, and methods of food production and saving.

 

Regarding fear of the government, if you have spent as much time on the front lines of that fight as I have, and are not afraid, you are lacking in rational thinking skills.  If a grizzly comes at you, and you are not afraid, you are again lacking coping skills with reality.

Just because a person is afraid, does not make them a coward or a slave.  Fear can stimulate adrenalin, and that can increase a persons strength and mobility.  How a person reacts to facts may instill fear, if they are wise enough to recognize danger, acting to resist it is in my mind, an act of bravery.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Worriedman

[Guest Averhoeven]

There are a lot of overly defensive and paranoid people. My job includes preventive medicine and advice as well. This is no different than giving you advice about how to baby proof your home, when to start giving them food, what is developmentally appropriate, etc. My job is NOT to just be reactive to your health, but to help you stay healthy and, shockingly, out of my office as much as possible. If asking a simple question helps me determine whether some advice may or may not be pertinent to help keep your child or you safe, then where is the harm in that? I don't ask about cleaning chemicals, etc because EVERY house has those. I also ask if your home has a pool or a creek near it, is that offensive?
You may think you know everything that is best for you and your child, but i promise you my experience tells me there are frequently things and elements you hadn't considered. Believe it or not, we're just trying to help you do what's best for your child and frankly i don't really care if i offend your paranoid sensibilities in order to do so. I'm not your customer service agent, I'm your doctor and if you have a problem with the care you are receiving because of a single, pertinent question you may go elsewhere. In fact, i welcome you to because if you're unwilling to answer a question about one thing, you're also likely to be uncooperative and non compliant in other areas as well.

[Erik88]

I'm sorry but I don't think very many people have the balls to stand up to our government. 

[Guest MilitiaMan]

I'm thinking 3-4 max.

 

I doubt it will be ten years.