ARs on Gunbroker Beginning to Fall (fast)

[Erik88]

Lighten up, Erika. NONE of this is permanent if there are no bans. You should maybe quit scolding folks.

 

What makes you think prices will go down to where they were before? Like it or not, Magic was part of the problem. I'm not scolding anyone, just calling it like I see it.

[mikegideon]

What makes you think prices will go down to where they were before? Like it or not, Magic was part of the problem. I'm not scolding anyone, just calling it like I see it.

 

What makes you think they won't? When the demand drops, so will the price. Some of us saw this coming, and didn't suffer one bit. So tell me... which legitimate manufacturers raised their MSRP's, and what was the average percentage increase?

Edited March 23, 2013 by mikegideon

[TripleDigitRide]

Lighten up, Erika. NONE of this is permanent if there are no bans. You should maybe quit scolding folks.
 
What makes you think prices will go down to where they were before? Like it or not, Magic was part of the problem. I'm not scolding anyone, just calling it like I see it.

Because I allowed my self to be unprepared, I understand your frustration. Now that I spent some time searching for ammo and built an AR for a very reasonable price, it doesn't bother me quite so much.

Although I choose not to take part in the current inflated prices, it does kind of bother me to see it on TGO, more so than when I see it on the firearms classified websites. I feel TGO is more of a family, but I don't hold any personal grudge towards anyone who does sell at the current prices.

The problem is, if you're selling something to place it with something else, you really have no choice but to sell it at these prices, because it's very difficult to find someone who's willing to sell something to you at a reasonable price I've tried to avoid this by trading, not selling. The problem with that is, most of the trade responses I receive are from those who want me to value my item(s) at 2011 prices while they value their item(s) at the current market prices. That's why I just removed my ad for .380 ammo. I tried to be fair by doing my best to recall what I paid when I bought it and using MidwayUSA's website as a price guide, but I still had idiots trying to trade me reloaded .223 at the .70/round that he recently bought it for. I'm done listing stuff for sale or trade for a while. I have everything I need, and I don't need to get rid of anything, especially when it's going to be a pain in the ass.

[Erik88]

What makes you guys think I wasn't prepared? I have plenty of ammo for my needs and bought my AR back in June so I'm doing just fine. I'm not holding a grudge against Magic at all. I've met him, I have no doubt he's a stand up guy. I'm just saying he didn't help the situation. I  think gun prices will probably return to normal but I doubt ammo prices will do the same.

 

And Mike, there have been manufacturers that have raised prices. I don't know exact numbers but I know prices have gone up. Chance confirmed this on the other forum.

[polecat]

this whole thing has convinced me to start reloading .....when presses, dies and components are available again. Why I waited so long in my life to reload ..I don't know. But if I get the chance..thats where my tax refund dollars will go. After that I'll buy an AR. :pleased:

[TripleDigitRide]

What makes you guys think I wasn't prepared? I have plenty of ammo for my needs and bought my AR back in June so I'm doing just fine. I'm not holding a grudge against Magic at all. I've met him, I have no doubt he's a stand up guy. I'm just saying he didn't help the situation. I  think gun prices will probably return to normal but I doubt ammo prices will do the same.
 
And Mike, there have been manufacturers that have raised prices. I don't know exact numbers but I know prices have gone up. Chance confirmed this on the other forum.

I didn't mean to insinuate that you weren't prepared or holding a grudge. I was just speaking about myself.

[Magiccarpetrides]

Erik please explain how me putting my ar15 on gunbroker and someone paying me market price created a problem.

[austin7.62]

My Cousin sold a Bushmaster M4 and a case of Tulammo .223 for $3600 at the height of the panic. He paid off the rest of his car payment with the profits. He only had $1000 in the package. I am with you, Magic. If someone is willing to be stupid enough to pay 3 and 4 times the MSRP on an item, why not? Maybe they will learn not to be stupid.

[itchytriggerfinger]

My Cousin sold a Bushmaster M4 and a case of Tulammo .223 for $3600 at the height of the panic. He paid off the rest of his car payment with the profits. He only had $1000 in the package. I am with you, Magic. If someone is willing to be stupid enough to pay 3 and 4 times the MSRP on an item, why not? Maybe they will learn not to be stupid.

+1

[Erik88]

Erik please explain how me putting my ar15 on gunbroker and someone paying me market price created a problem.

 

I didn't say you created it, I said you didn't help. You may not have been the problem but you definitely were not the solution. We could go back and forth all night but neither one of us is going to agree with the other. Hopefully prices will return to "normal" soon and it won't matter.

[runco]

Me personally, I have no issue whatsoever with hyped up pricing (guns, ammo, gas, food, etc.), the market is what the market is. The buyer sets the market. Most consumer goods will return to normal supply and demand principals, once the hype and politics are removed. I do not begruge anyone (espcially when it does not impact me, I was ready) for using the market for their personal reason. Good example, remember gas in August 2008 was hovering around $3.75 gallon, March 2009, gas was $1.49 a gallon, supply and demand. Today its close to what was in 2008.

[Caster]

A free market capitalist society works by selling high and buying low. Just because the commodity of the day happens to be something we love dearly doesn't give any of us just cause to defame those who .....(wait for it, the word of the day) CAPITALIZE on a ripe market.

Who would be complaining right now if the price of Cabbage Patch dolls had quadrupled over night? Who was griping when gold spiked so fast a while back? You might not like it, I certainly don't, but it's not a fair assessment to say there ever has been a 'problem'. There is not and hasn't been a problem for the prepared person. Chance favors the prepared mind and the venture capitalists take big chances in hopes of big returns.
Anyone who doesn't support this type of market, doesn't truly support the foundation of this country.

We don't have to like it to admit and accept the fact that it's fair and those engaged in it are doing NOTHING wrong. Edited March 24, 2013 by Caster

[TMF]

Me personally, I have no issue whatsoever with hyped up pricing (guns, ammo, gas, food, etc.), the market is what the market is. The buyer sets the market. Most consumer goods will return to normal supply and demand principals, once the hype and politics are removed. I do not begruge anyone (espcially when it does not impact me, I was ready) for using the market for their personal reason. Good example, remember gas in August 2008 was hovering around $3.75 gallon, March 2009, gas was $1.49 a gallon, supply and demand. Today its close to what was in 2008.

Well, I guess the difference is that the price of the stock item has not increased, as opposed to the cost of the product that BP is selling you at the gas station. The difference here is the availability. A Colt AR comes to the distributor at the same price as always. From there it is purchased by bubba and immediately put up for sale, which increases the shortage and drives up the price. So, I guess what I'm saying is that it's artificial. Seems to really be pissing off all those "free market" folks I've been contacting on Armslist. For some reason they are getting irate at the offers I've given them for their rifles, even though the MSRP of a new one is still close enough to what I offer for their used one. Can't understand where that hostility is coming from, unless they are just upset because they aren't going to get to screw folks who just wanted to pick up a rifle from Walmart.

[R1100R]

^^^ I get this. It just so happens that right now, pretty much you have to camp out at Walmart or Academy to get those prices on rifles and especially ammo.

 

Offers don't bother me at all except when if come to farm animals, electronics and non- firearms related offers. LOL

 

I was at Walmart the other week picking up a prescription and passed on two DMPS Sporticals at $619.00 each. I could of bought them and flipped them. I didn't. Why, because I didn't need them.

Edited March 24, 2013 by R1100R

[Tempest455]

The market is what the "buyer" is willing to pay for a product at that point in time.

[Dolomite_supafly]

^^^ I get this. It just so happens that right now, pretty much you have to camp out at Walmart or Academy to get those prices on rifles and especially ammo.

 

Offers don't bother me at all except when if come to farm animals, electronics and non- firearms related offers. LOL

 

I was at Walmart the other week picking up a prescription and passed on two DMPS Sporticals at $619.00 each. I could of bought them and flipped them. I didn't. Why, because I didn't need them.

 

Not to mention you would be breaking federal law by doing that. There are a lot of people out there willing to risk their freedom for a few bucks, I am not.

 

Making a profit in a free market is one thing but breaking the law, buying with the intent to resell, to make a profit in a free market is another.

 

Dolomite

[Il Duce]

I'm thinking off all the glocks that will be out there. People have been paying over retail for police trade ins with more coming on the market. Maybe the days of a $400 or lower G19 will return.

Heck you can still get them for 299-349 where I live

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[Erik88]

I stopped at my local store yesterday to check out prices. They were asking anywhere from $650-800 for the flat dark earth Glocks.

 

They also had a Mossberg MVP bolt action for $1,000.  :down:

[R1100R]

Not to mention you would be breaking federal law by doing that. There are a lot of people out there willing to risk their freedom for a few bucks, I am not.

 

Making a profit in a free market is one thing but breaking the law, buying with the intent to resell, to make a profit in a free market is another.

 

Dolomite

 

 

 Not entirely true. It normally only occurs if you do it as a business.  Not if you sell a couple a year. It's a fine line for some. " bough them and decided I didn't like them ". I would like to see a case "law" for someone the sold two or three firearms for profit and was convicted. With out being a straw purchase or other legal issues involved.

 

 

 

(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921 (a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;

Edited March 24, 2013 by R1100R

[Dolomite_supafly]

Just because you do not hear of people buying 2-3 guns with intent to resell for a profit being prosecuted does not mean it is legal because it is not. Buying or making any firearm with the intent to sell for a profit requires a FFL. It is hard to prove intent with someone who buys and sells 2-3 guns a year but they are breaking the law if they are buying with the intent to resell just as those who have been buying and selling dozens of guns with intent to resell in a year without a license.

 

There is no set amount as to what will get you in trouble. It could be 2 guns or 2,000 guns before they decide to prosecute if they do at all. It is hard to prove intent when someone buys then sells 1 gun a year but it is very easy to prove when someone buys then sells a lot more in a year.

 

Just saying there are a lot of individuals that are buying guns with the intent of reselling them and that is against the law.

 

Dolomite

[R1100R]

Dolemite : "Buying or making any firearm with the intent to sell for a profit requires a FFL"

 

I don't know about "making " but please show me the law about this. Have you ever made something firearm related and profited from it.

 

"I purchased a Hi Power, restored it then sold it. So I broke the law. My whole intention was to repair and sell this one pistol. So I'm a criminal.

 

I serve with ATF, TBI, FBI DEA and just about every kind of LEO. None can tell me a case on this. All sales are for profit in one sense or the other. Depends on how you define profit.

 

Even the ones that sold stupid numbers most of the time received a warning from the ATF if no other serious law was broken

 

The law states  about doing this as a business or lively hood. Granted I know there is no set number. But I can find no set case law on this with out getting into a stupid number of firearms being sold with out other laws also being broken at the same time.

Edited March 24, 2013 by R1100R

[Guest semiautots]

FWIW, all of the buyers that filled out the Form 4473 stating that they were the "actual buyer", with the intent to resell, could be charged as a straw purchaser.  You all be very careful in your transactions.

 

OTOH, I believe, with all the CNC machines turning out AR-15 receiver blanks on a 24/7 cycle, that we will see prices plummet.  If the mag restrictions fail, then the mag situation will follow the same supply/demand course, and I would encourage everyone reading this to buy a few extra mags and as many stripped lowers as you can afford.
 

If you think this will not be revisited in the future, you are mistaken.  Just as the public's view of homosexuality has changed due to liberal indoctrination, the same will happen to gun ownership.  You see it now, just Google the pop-tart "gun".

[R1100R]

FWIW, all of the buyers that filled out the Form 4473 stating that they were the "actual buyer", with the intent to resell, could be charged as a straw purchaser.  You all be very careful in your transactions.

 

I could see this in a certain light. It depends on other parameters to go along with the straw purchase.

[Guest semiautots]

I could see this in a certain light. It depends on other parameters to go along with the straw purchase.

 

It's one thing to buy a gun, shoot it and decide you don't like it, then sell it, compared to buying a gun with the intent to resell at a profit.  The latter is a straw purchase if sold without a background check.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The market is what the "buyer" is willing to pay for a product at that point in time.

Not quite, a little more to it than that, like the artificial condition that caused
this so-called market: politics and pure emotion.

It doesn't bother me one bit when someone profits from the marketplace.
It does bother me when a politician creates a panic in the marketplace
and someone calls that normal, plain old capitalism. Don't confuse the
two.