Curio and Relic FFL

[Volzfan]

Does anyone here have a Curio and Relic FFL? I just heard about them today and read that they are $30 for a 3 year license and it lets dealers send guns directly to you since you have an FFL. It seems to be mainly for collectors of old guns but I was also told that it can give you access to low prices on ammo.

Does anyone have any knowledgeof this type of license?

[Guest bkelm18]

Does anyone here have a Curio and Relic FFL? I just heard about them today and read that they are $30 for a 3 year license and it lets dealers send guns directly to you since you have an FFL. It seems to be mainly for collectors of old guns but I was also told that it can give you access to low prices on ammo.

Does anyone have any knowledgeof this type of license?

I have one. The ONLY guns that can be shipped directly to you are those that are classified as Curios and Relics. There's a list on the ATF's website. The 03 C&R FFL is completely different than an 01 Dealer FFL. The reason I got mine was because MidwayUSA will give you dealer discount which adds up fast. You can easily save $30 on your first order from them so it can pay for itself quickly.

[Volzfan]

I have one. The ONLY guns that can be shipped directly to you are those that are classified as Curios and Relics. There's a list on the ATF's website. The 03 C&R FFL is completely different than an 01 Dealer FFL. The reason I got mine was because MidwayUSA will give you dealer discount which adds up fast. You can easily save $30 on your first order from them so it can pay for itself quickly.

How much trouble is it to get that FFL? I would really only want that FFL for the discount price on ammo.

[Guest bkelm18]

How much trouble is it to get that FFL? I would really only want that FFL for the discount price on ammo.

Easy. Just send off for the forms, when you get them, fill them out, submit one copy to your Sheriff, and one to the ATF, then about two months later you get your FFL. Here's a good website, pretty much outlines how to get it and how to fill out the forms:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp

Here's where to get the application:

http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

Go under applications, then select the Form 7CR 5310.16. The rest is self explanatory.

Edited July 19, 2008 by bkelm18

[DaveTN]

I have one. I have saved hundreds of dollars on my purchases from MidwayUSA. I saved $100 on just one scope.

The discounts on ammo aren’t real big. I have never ordered any ammo because I get my “Range Ammo” at Wal-Mart and I have never found anywhere that will beat their price.

I can’t believe that everyone that is into firearms doesn’t have one. Best $30 I’ve spent.

But if you find any good deals on ammo be sure to let us know.

[Guest utarch00]

I have mine. I have not done anything with it yet.

[Bigiron]

Get the Curio & Relic license, find a bunch of rifles, etc that you cannot live without, and be broke like the rest of us.

[I_Like_Pie]

The Midway and Brownells discounts are worth it alone. If you shoot a lot...you save BIG time!

It is nice to to pick up a Nagat every now and then. Can have them shipped direct to your house.

I also like the fact that if anyone breaks into my house and walks off with my safe...since I am now an FFL it gets the Feds involved and incurs a much stiffer penalty for the offender if caught.

[TripleDigitRide]

This sounds like a plan.

What's the difference between the 01 and 03 C&R FFL?

Nevermind. I found it.

[Volzfan]

Easy. Just send off for the forms, when you get them, fill them out, submit one copy to your Sheriff, and one to the ATF, then about two months later you get your FFL. Here's a good website, pretty much outlines how to get it and how to fill out the forms:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp

Here's where to get the application:

http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

Go under applications, then select the Form 7CR 5310.16. The rest is self explanatory.

I just submitted the request for the app.

Are there any forms or monthly reporting that is required by the ATF after getting the license?

[TripleDigitRide]

The newest list is May 06-December 07?

I'm not sure I understand how you can use this C&R FFL to by anything other than old guns?

What else can you buy?

[Guest bkelm18]

The newest list is May 06-December 07?

I'm not sure I understand how you can use this C&R FFL to by anything other than old guns?

What else can you buy?

That's it. It only allows you to have those C&R firearms shipped directly to you instead of a dealer. That's the only thing it legally allows you to do. It doesn't allow you to buy C&R firearms, you can buy them without the FFL, but without it, you would have to have them shipped to a dealer just like any other gun, but with the FFL you can have them shipped directly to you. Some places, like MidwayUSA and Brownells, give you discounts at their store if you fax them a copy of it.

I just submitted the request for the app.

Are there any forms or monthly reporting that is required by the ATF after getting the license?

Nope, no reporting to the ATF or anything. Only paperwork that is required is that you are required to keep a bound book and must enter every firearm you purchase using your FFL into it. It's kind of like a firearm log. The gigantic package of info the ATF will send you when you get your FFL explains it all.

Edited July 20, 2008 by bkelm18

[DaveTN]

I'm not sure I understand how you can use this C&R FFL to by anything other than old guns?

What else can you buy?

When I needed a scope from MidwayUSA the regular price was $679.99; Dealer price was $546.48. That’s $133.51 savings on one item. The lowest price I found locally was $700.

[DMark]

.... The ONLY guns that can be shipped directly to you are those that are classified as Curios and Relics. There's a list on the ATF's website......

Also any firearm 50 years or older that isn't controlled by any other regulation (such as fullauto weapons). I think the ATF is getting so tried of answering this question that they now highlight the wording in RED. See link below.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm

Does Not have to be on the list if the firearm is 50 years old. This is a common mistake among many who ask "is it on the C&R list." The list was designed as a "curio" listing that is updated whenever the ATF gets around to it. An example is Pre-64 Winchesters since they have value as a collector firearm. Many aren't 50 years old yet but have been on the "list" since I got my 03 FFL 12 years ago.

BTW - - - Its the best $30 I have ever spent in regard to my Gun-Nut addiction.

[TripleDigitRide]

Anyone giving discounts to C&R FFL holders on complete AR uppers?

[DaveTN]

Anyone giving discounts to C&R FFL holders on complete AR uppers?

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Edited July 20, 2008 by DaveTN

[TripleDigitRide]

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Thanks! I saw several on Miday's site, but was wondering if anyone knew of any other companies.

I sent my info, via the site, to have the ATF send me an application. I guess we'll see what happens.

[Volzfan]

That's it. It only allows you to have those C&R firearms shipped directly to you instead of a dealer. That's the only thing it legally allows you to do. It doesn't allow you to buy C&R firearms, you can buy them without the FFL, but without it, you would have to have them shipped to a dealer just like any other gun, but with the FFL you can have them shipped directly to you. Some places, like MidwayUSA and Brownells, give you discounts at their store if you fax them a copy of it.

Nope, no reporting to the ATF or anything. Only paperwork that is required is that you are required to keep a bound book and must enter every firearm you purchase using your FFL into it. It's kind of like a firearm log. The gigantic package of info the ATF will send you when you get your FFL explains it all.

Only gun purchases in the book? Not any other items that I would get a dealer discount on like parts or ammo?

What about that gigantic package of info? Is that just all of the rules for a C&R FFL holder? How detailed is the actual application?

[Guest bkelm18]

Only gun purchases in the book? Not any other items that I would get a dealer discount on like parts or ammo?

What about that gigantic package of info? Is that just all of the rules for a C&R FFL holder? How detailed is the actual application?

Only firearms **bought using your 03 FFL** go into the bound book because that's all you can buy with the FFL. Again, you only log firearms that you bought using the FFL. For example, you buy an AR-15 from a dealer, that does not go into the bound book, but you buy an M1 Garand and have it shipped to you using your 03 FFL because the M1 is a C&R, that will go into the bound book. Discounts from companies for various parts and whatnot aren't bought using your FFL, the discount is only given to you as a courtesy for being an FFL holder, you aren't actually using your FFL to purchase those items. Yes the giant package has all the rules and stuff for FFL holders. It's mainly geared toward 01 FFLs but it has pertinant info for 03 FFLs including the most up to date list of C&R firearms. The application is easy. One of the links I gave you earlier has step by step instructions for the application.

Edited July 20, 2008 by bkelm18

[Volzfan]

Only firearms **bought using your 03 FFL** go into the bound book because that's all you can buy with the FFL. Again, you only log firearms that you bought using the FFL. For example, you buy an AR-15 from a dealer, that does not go into the bound book, but you buy an M1 Garand and have it shipped to you using your 03 FFL because the M1 is a C&R, that will go into the bound book. Discounts from companies for various parts and whatnot aren't bought using your FFL, the discount is only given to you as a courtesy for being an FFL holder, you aren't actually using your FFL to purchase those items. Yes the giant package has all the rules and stuff for FFL holders. It's mainly geared toward 01 FFLs but it has pertinant info for 03 FFLs including the most up to date list of C&R firearms. The application is easy. One of the links I gave you earlier has step by step instructions for the application.

Thanks Bkelm18 so much for all of your help. TGO is one great place to be a part of.

[Guest bkelm18]

No problem at all.

[Volzfan]

WOW!!!

I requested my application for a C&R FFL on Sunday and got the app. in the mail on Friday. I can't believe that a government department did anything that fast.

[Guest bkelm18]

Yeah, the ATF really isn't too terrible when it comes to stuff like that.

[Volzfan]

When mailing it to the Nashville Chief of Police, Do I need to actually put Chief Serpas's name on the envelope or just Metro Nashville Police Department? Should I put on the envelope that it is a Curio & Relic FFL application?

Edited July 26, 2008 by Volzfan

[R1100R]

You need to put the chief LEO's name on it.