Montgomery County, Active Duty HCP requirements

[espacef1fan]

I'm active duty military, and I am wondering EXACTLY what documents need to be submitted and how. I've looked on the website and it seems fairly vague about the entire process.(I'm  in the military so I'm used to seeing exact requirements.) Anyone gotten a HCP recently in Montgomery county? Any advice, information is appreciated.

[Romad7]

Have you qualified with the M9 (or other handgun) recently?

[espacef1fan]

Yes. I have. Do they just need a range card? Or?

[Pain103]

Where is your residence? Are you originally from another state but stationed at Campbell?

[TMF]

http://www.tn.gov/safety/handgun/handgunfaqs.shtml#q8

What is so confusing about this? All you need is your qualification scorecard. If you are downrange you can do the alternate pistol qualification scorecard, have it signed by you commander and submit that in lieu of the certificate from the HCP class. It is really that simple. Follow that link, print out a 5704R, go put holes in paper. The qualification is good for 5 years from the date you qualify. If you already qualified before you went downrange and you still have a copy of your scorecard, just submit that when you get back. It is really too easy.

[espacef1fan]

http://www.tn.gov/safety/handgun/handgunfaqs.shtml#q8

What is so confusing about this? All you need is your qualification scorecard. If you are downrange you can do the alternate pistol qualification scorecard, have it signed by you commander and submit that in lieu of the certificate from the HCP class. It is really that simple. Follow that link, print out a 5704R, go put holes in paper. The qualification is good for 5 years from the date you qualify. If you already qualified before you went downrange and you still have a copy of your scorecard, just submit that when you get back. It is really too easy.

Dang. I completely missed the info in that link somehow in my searching. *DOH*

 

 

Thanks.

Edited March 19, 2013 by espacef1fan

[TMF]

If you don't already have a qual scorecard in your possession get one before you rotate back. Once you're back in the rear you know as well as I do that you won't hold the keys to getting to the range and qualifying. If you aren't currently issued a sidearm there is no shortage of folks who are that can lend you theirs. Go out and put some holes in paper and fill out the alt-pistol qual form and have it signed. The day you step off the freedom bird you can go right down to the DMV and make it happen. If you don't have a TN DL bring your orders.

[espacef1fan]

Already in motion. Thank  you again.

[Guest Deerelver06]

Negative on the score card. Go online to your VMETS and print off your transcripts and take them along with your 115 dollar fee and application to the DMV. They process it and then give you your receipt for your finger prints then you play the waiting game.

[espacef1fan]

VMETS? Ill have to research that. Ive been in 9 years so far, never heard of that.

[c.a.willard]

your VMET is the DD 2586 verification of military experience and training.  The online VMET is only helpfull for the HCP if you have taken formal training through the army that would show up on your ATRRS transcripts.    For the majority of people the handgun training received in the military will not show on the VMET, making the qualification card still probably the easiest to use. 

[TMF]

Negative on the score card. Go online to your VMETS and print off your transcripts and take them along with your 115 dollar fee and application to the DMV. They process it and then give you your receipt for your finger prints then you play the waiting game.

Did you follow the link I gave above? That is from the horse's mouth... ya know, the folks that issue HCPs. If it weren't true it wouldn't be posted as an acceptable form to submit. Do you work for the DOS? Are you privy to some kind of information that the rest of us aren't? Shall I turn in my HCP now since I didn't use VMETs to acquire it?

[TMF]

From the DOS:

On December 8, 2012 the Department was informed of two forms used by the Army which capture combat pistol training (DA-88-R and DA5704-R). These forms can now be used to verify military handgun training.

[Guest Deerelver06]

I just did my HCP in early February using my VMETS as did my wife. What they are looking at is your basic training portion where it talks about weapons. https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/appj/vmet/index.jsp You can log in with your CAC card and print it off.

It's up to you which route to take. You can print your VMETS or do up your range cards. I was just trying to help your process go smoother as that was the route I went and was painless. I've had friends who did the score cards and the clerks at the DMV would find something wrong with them and kick them back. They can't argue with the VMETS print off. Edited March 20, 2013 by Deerelver06

[TMF]

I just did my HCP in early February using my VMETS as did my wife. What they are looking at is your basic training portion where it talks about weapons. https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/appj/vmet/index.jsp You can log in with your CAC card and print it off.


It's up to you which route to take. You can print your VMETS or do up your range cards. I was just trying to help your process go smoother as that was the route I went and was painless. I've had friends who did the score cards and the clerks at the DMV would find something wrong with them and kick them back. They can't argue with the VMETS print off.

No, you straight up said "negative" on an acceptable document to turn in for processing; that is incorrect information. The DMV only sends that paperwork higher. They don't process it. If they are effed up then pull up the DOS page on your smartphone and make them feel stupid. It's right there on their page, so I don't see what the argument is. I never had a problem with my HCP and there is nothing on VMETS indicating the hundreds of hours of formal pistol training I received while I was in.

[c.a.willard]

There are some courses that show up on VMET that would work.  In my case the MP job description shows up as well as SRT school.   For the majority of MOS's handgun training isnt going to show on the VMET.  And honestly the DMV should actually be reading the VMET to see if it says anything at all about handguns.  The portion where it mentions weapons under basic training is not necessarily enough as it does not specify handguns and most MOS's never touch a handgun in basic or AIT.    If the DMV is not taking the scorecard then you should show them their own FAQ's.  If it is still a problem you should speak to their supervisor.   

 

If it lists a handgun course you can use either one, but again since most peoples VMET doesnt the majority of Soldiers are better served useing the scorecard.

[TMF]

For example, when I was MOS'd 11H we had combat pistol as part of the POI. You aren't going to find that on a transcript and I don't expect some civilian at DOS to be able to interpret how Anti-armor infantryman school translates to handgun training, especially since that MOS no longer exists. They will, however, be able to decipher a scorecard, especially since that is one of the acceptable forms of training.