Morbid find suggests murder-obsessed gunman Adam Lanza plotted Newtown, Conn.'s Sandy Hook massacre for years

[Metalhead]

The problem with this is any argument that you can make about video games, you can take out those words and insert "guns" and it sounds almost exactly the same. Instead of saying that video games (or guns) are an ingredient, and trying to make a scapegoat out of one or the other, the blame should fall onto the person doing the crime and that person alone. A person that kills someone with a lawn mower blade doesnt result in lawn mowers getting blamed when the guy watched Slingblade in 1996. It's not a perfect example, but you know what I'm saying.

[Rowdy]

Look for connections. Parental involvement or lack thereof, psychiatric prescriptions, a propensity to be affected by killing games. Everybody is different, the triggers for this kind of behavior are too varied to be distilled to a pat combination. But it seems to be that the most obvious common denominator are that warning signs are often ignored by family and friends. Edited March 19, 2013 by Rowdy

[Randall53]

The problem with this is any argument that you can make about video games, you can take out those words and insert "guns" and it sounds almost exactly the same. Instead of saying that video games (or guns) are an ingredient, and trying to make a scapegoat out of one or the other, the blame should fall onto the person doing the crime and that person alone. A person that kills someone with a lawn mower blade doesnt result in lawn mowers getting blamed when the guy watched Slingblade in 1996. It's not a perfect example, but you know what I'm saying.

 

I understand. But nobody sits and watches slingblade all day every day like they do the games.  Just saying.

[Metalhead]

I understand. But nobody sits and watches slingblade all day every day like they do the games.  Just saying.

 

This is true. You never know though, there could be that one person out there... kinda like there was that one person who wanted to shoot up a bunch of little kids. Honestly, I don't put anything past people anymore. Do you know what a "Bronie" is? Yeah.

[Randall53]

This is true. You never know though, there could be that one person out there... kinda like there was that one person who wanted to shoot up a bunch of little kids. Honestly, I don't put anything past people anymore. Do you know what a "Bronie" is? Yeah.

 

Yep...you got that right.  Bronie?  Had to look it up.  Sick puppies in my book.

[Mdunntn]

The liberals can't take my guns and the nra cant take my damn video games lol

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[TMF]

Lets think critically on this for a second folks. We know that there are tens of millions of folks with firearms who never go on shootings sprees or have any inclination towards murder. At the same time there are tens of millions of people who play shooting video games who don't go on violent shooting sprees. Anyone ever think for a moment that it isn't the gun or the video game that magically transforms a person into a mass murderer? Perhaps a person who fantasizes about mass murder acquires that weapon for the purpose of murder and plays the violent video game to feed their obsession with murder. Just a thought.

Blaming video games for violence is like blaming guns. It is an incredibly stupid argument. Edited March 19, 2013 by TMF

[billyscott]

My 2 cents worth; I don't blame guns, video games, Autism. . .

It was the boy who committed this crime who is to blame. 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Lets think critically on this for a second folks. We know that there are tens of millions of folks with firearms who never go on shootings sprees or have any inclination towards murder. At the same time there are tens of millions of people who play shooting video games who don't go on violent shooting sprees. Anyone ever think for a moment that it isn't the gun or the video game that magically transforms a person into a mass murderer? Perhaps a person who fantasizes about mass murder acquires that weapon for the purpose of murder and plays the violent video game to feed their obsession with murder. Just a thought.

Blaming video games for violence is like blaming guns. It is an incredibly stupid argument.

That's right.

[JayC]

More propaganda being leaked out....  Stop telling us what you think the clues mean...  Show us the evidence and let us decided for ourselves.  

 

Police Departments have an agenda here...  stop telling us about the spreadsheet, and show it to us, show us his writings and an accurate timeline of the events leading up to the shooting and during the shooting itself...  and let grown adult judge what the factors were that caused this guy to go all evil.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

My 2 cents worth; I don't blame guns, video games, Autism. . .

It was the boy who committed this crime who is to blame. 

And the kid could have been brought up and educated to believe in things that weren't based in reality. Don't

just stop there. Ideology and starting with a false premise about life can do damage to someone who never learned

right from wrong. People who never learn how to function in life don't have much of a chance. Add that to something

like a chemical imbalance in the brain and you have the makings of what can be considered "evil" just like someone

who was inherently evil through other means. I doubt an easy label can be put on this, but there was evil in the mix.

 

Human beings are sophisticated animals who have the ability for thought and reasoning. If they are brought up with

the wrong messages and never learn to function any other way, this can be what happens. Our society is raising a

lot of kids this way. It's not just one thing, like a game, you have to be taught right from wrong. It's not automatic.

 

I'm no shrink, and I'm no scholar, but I can see this happening more and more. Some of this isn't accidental, either.

Teach people there is nothing absolute, and there are no rigid principles in life like, at the least, right and wrong,

and you have the makings for disaster like this kid. Communism is a political ideology, along with people like Saul

Alinsky teaching tactics to undermine society through education, overwhelming the system with misfits who can't fit

in and breaking the bank are excuses for these kinds to disrupt our society. It all fits in the mix. Take God out of

the mix and you can kiss this country goodbye. But some of us like to argue one point into oblivion, then move to

another thinking they can live just fine.

 

It's a complex issue with simple solutions that aren't convenient, anymore, for so many. Break down the family for

generations and see if that did anything positive for this last few generations. I don't say the problems weren't there,

but they are sure more pronounced nowadays. Evil comes in all shapes and sizes. Where it comes from can be

found in the reflection in the mirror, often.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

More propaganda being leaked out....  Stop telling us what you think the clues mean...  Show us the evidence and let us decided for ourselves.  

 

Police Departments have an agenda here...  stop telling us about the spreadsheet, and show it to us, show us his writings and an accurate timeline of the events leading up to the shooting and during the shooting itself...  and let grown adult judge what the factors were that caused this guy to go all evil.

You know they have to package the evidence to fit the evening news, which means we may never get to the real

answers.

[1gewehr]

So, this guy, as well as other 'glory killers', carefully researched his plan and specifically chose his targets because he could 'rack up a large score' without being stopped.  Yet, we are called crazy when we want to make schools and other targets less vulnerable. :confused:

[Guest ThePunisher]

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Take God out of the mix and you can kiss this country goodbye.

The most important thing people overlook in the equation of civilization.

[JAB]

To respond without quoting your entire post, Randall53, my point is that it probably doesn't matter whether or not these screwed up individuals play video games all day or never even see one.  If they are going to be maniacal killers, they are going to be maniacal killers.  If they don't play video games then something they see on television will set them off.  If they don't watch television then something they read in English class will set them off - or something they read in the Bible or something they overhear someone saying in Walmart (maybe the smiley face on those 'roll back' signs will talk to them and tell them to kill.)

 

David Berkowitz killed people because his neighbor had a dog.  Of course in reality Berkowitz killed people because he is a crazy SOB who was, basically, going to find some reason to do so, regardless.  It wouldn't have mattered if his neighbor had a dog, a cat, a parakeet or a pet rock.  Bat-guano crazy is bat-guano crazy, period.

 

Charles Manson had his followers kill people because The Beatles did a song (Helter Skelter) that is more or less about wanting to make out with some girl who, apparently, isn't a very good dancer.  Of course, in reality Manson had his followers kill people because he is a crazy SOB who believed he was Jesus, Satan and the death angel rolled into one and that he was destined to bring about a great race war.  It wouldn't have mattered if it was a Beatles song, a Rolling Stones song or 'Here We Go 'Round the Mulberry Bush'.  Bat-guano crazy is bat-guano crazy, period.

 

One of the most famous serial killers, Jack the Ripper, operated before there were video games, movies, Dungeons and Dragons type games or heavy metal music (or any readily recorded music, for that matter.)  You know why he did what he did?  I'm betting it was because he was a crazy SOB who decided that carving up prostitutes would be a real hoot.  Bat-guano crazy is bat-guano crazy, period.

 

Ed Gein, the sick bastich who provided inspiration for the characters Norman Bates, Leatherface (Texas Chainsaw Massacre) and Buffalo Bill (Silence of the Lambs) committed murders in the late 1950s.  Like the Silence character, he was skinning women (both corpses he dug up and a couple that he killed) in order to try and make himself a woman suit so he could become a woman.  One of the deputies who was part of the initial raid on his home found what he thought was a deer hung up and gutted in an outbuilding.  Upon further observance, however, the deputy realized it was actually his own (the deputy's) mother, who had been missing for a couple of days.  Again, this was before video games, Dungeons and Dragons, heavy metal or movies that would be considered 'graphically violent' by most.  Bat-guano crazy is simply bat-guano crazy.

 

My point in all this is that I don't even believe that video games, music, etc. are any sort of factor, at all.  The people who are crazy enough to do these things are going to do them, regardless.  Video games, violent movies and even firearms are nothing more than 'garnish' and really have nothing more to do with the end result than the brand of shoes the maniac happens to be wearing when carrying out their particular atrocities.

Edited March 19, 2013 by JAB

[Rowdy]

I believe young kids (16 and under) should not be exposed to adult material of any kind (porn, video games, music, movies, etc.). Therefore I put all the responsibility on the parents, period. I know several parents that have 11 and 12 year olds who are allowed to listen and look and play anything they choose. Will it cause them to have warped characters? I don't know. I do know that I was not willing to gamble on my son's future that way. Did he see any of it, probably, but not in our house.

I don't want to censor anything. Make all the video games you want. I believe in freedom. However, with freedom comes responsibility and this is where parents need to step up.

[QuietDan]

You know they have to package the evidence to fit the evening news, which means we may never get to the real

answers.

 

By definition, we don't know the "truth" until a court trial, everything before that is a piece of the truth or a piece of a masquerade of the truth.

 

With a dead perpetrator, there will now be no trial and therefore no adjudicated truth.

 

The result of a court trial is as close to the truth as we can get, being mere mortals and all.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That was an interesting article,Dan. It's eery when
these kinds of things show up in the news. Usually, we don't learn of stuff like this until years
after the fact on some crime show on a cable channel. Must be that the news cycle has sped up
do much nowadays and the agenda not working
out that we heard this one.
You and I both know the spin isn't over, though.

[JayC]

Packaged for the evening news, or packaged to fit the narrative of their agenda? :)

 

You know they have to package the evidence to fit the evening news, which means we may never get to the real

answers.

 

[QuietDan]

Packaged for the evening news, or packaged to fit the narrative of their agenda? :)

 

One and the same.