Has Zimmerman Waived His Right to a Pre-Trial "Stand-Your-Ground" Hearing?

[TMF]

. Edited June 27, 2013 by TMF

[mikegideon]

That is the single most important piece of information that needs to be proved/disproved.

 

There is no way to prove/disprove it, unless you apply some blind faith to biased, low credibility witnesses. If you apply the physical evidence, which is a known quantity, then Z walks. All the rest of this is politics for Bigass Angela and all the other bad actors.

[TMF]

There is no way to prove/disprove it, unless you apply some blind faith to biased, low credibility witnesses. If you apply the physical evidence, which is a known quantity, then Z walks. All the rest of this is politics for Bigass Angela and all the other bad actors.

I don't think that is a definitive thing. With a combination of witness testimony, physical evidence and recreation of the events using all the other evidence it can be done. I would like to believe that there has been enough evidence to give us a clearer picture as to how the altercation began. There is nothing else more important than determining who started it. As I have said before, if they can't prove GZ started it then he will walk and should.

[mikegideon]

I don't think that is a definitive thing. With a combination of witness testimony, physical evidence and recreation of the events using all the other evidence it can be done. I would like to believe that there has been enough evidence to give us a clearer picture as to how the altercation began. There is nothing else more important than determining who started it. As I have said before, if they can't prove GZ started it then he will walk and should.

 

It's THE most important thing. I just don't think there's anything to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Never have. The whole thing is a sales job at this point.

 

The first prosecutor got it right. It's anything but a solid case for the prosecution.

Edited June 27, 2013 by mikegideon

[R_Bert]

Regardless of what  you think about Ms. Jeantel, she is smart enough to realize that your social medial sites has to be clean during interviews with prospective employers.  :shake:

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/zimmerman-witness-gets-twitter-scrub-748092

[mikegideon]

Regardless of what  you think about Ms. Jeantel, she is smart enough to realize that your social medial sites has to be clean during interviews with prospective employers.  :shake:

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/zimmerman-witness-gets-twitter-scrub-748092

 

You can probably blame that on Crump and Co.

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Zimmerman Update Exclusive — Mid-Day 4 — West’s Cross-Examination of Rachel Jeantel

 

Hey folks,

 

I just posted up the mid-day update for day 4 of the Zimmerman Trial.  It consists mainly of a selected collection of my tweets from this morning, but should provide a reasonable overview of today's events so far.  We will, of course, have a more detailed analysis tonight.

 

[URL=http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerman-update-exclusive-mid-day-4-wests-cross-examination-of-rachel-jeantel/]Zimmerman Update Exclusive — Mid-Day 4 — West’s Cross-Examination of Rachel Jeantel[/URL]

 

Enjoy,

 

Andrew

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[QuietDan]

Andrew:

 

I think you are providing a great public service. I've seen your blog posted and commented upon elsewhere, to include Lucianne.com which has wide distribution.

 

Though posted on another thread, here's an opinion from yesterday's cross examination of "Dee-Dee" by defense attorney West:

 

West the defense attorney is crazy like a fox.

 

His long pauses, his gentle demeanor, his persistent questioning, allows "Dee-Dee" to exhibit her attitude, prejudice and ignorance in all its unfettered, horrible glory. There was a video shot yesterday of her that went well beyond rolling her eyes; she made a hideous face at West behind his back, just short of sticking her tongue out on him, on full view for the jury. The longer she stays on the witness stand, the more she helps the defense. If I were the defense team, I'd bring her back for a third day, just to watch her go ballistic and to sink the prosecution. She is a train-wreck, a squirming, snarky, ignorant, sarcastic, hate-filled train wreck.

 

IMO.

[R_Bert]

Andrew,

 

who is in charge of re-inserting your eyeball? 

 

I am not a lawyer, but I suspect eyeballs are popping in every law office in the country, expecially for you guys that are legal analysts....

 

(on both sides...)

Edited June 27, 2013 by R_Bert

[RobertNashville]

Andrew:

 

I think you are providing a great public service. I've seen your blog posted and commented upon elsewhere, to include Lucianne.com which has wide distribution.

 

Though posted on another thread, here's an opinion from yesterday's cross examination of "Dee-Dee" by defense attorney West:

 

West the defense attorney is crazy like a fox.

 

His long pauses, his gentle demeanor, his persistent questioning, allows "Dee-Dee" to exhibit her attitude, prejudice and ignorance in all its unfettered, horrible glory. There was a video shot yesterday of her that went well beyond rolling her eyes; she made a hideous face at West behind his back, just short of sticking her tongue out on him, on full view for the jury. The longer she stays on the witness stand, the more she helps the defense. If I were the defense team, I'd bring her back for a third day, just to watch her go ballistic and to sink the prosecution. She is a train-wreck, a squirming, snarky, ignorant, sarcastic, hate-filled train wreck.

 

IMO.

I realize you didn't ask me but your question ties to something I was wondering...sort of the opposite...I'm a bit concerned that this painfully long testimony of "Dee-Dee" could, even with her attitude and even with some of the questionable testimony, make her into a sympathetic character which would play well to the jury who end up feeling sorry for this obviously not well-educated and young woman???

[QuietDan]

I realize you didn't ask me but your question ties to something I was wondering...sort of the opposite...I'm a bit concerned that this painfully long testimony of "Dee-Dee" could, even with her attitude and even with some of the questionable testimony, make her into a sympathetic character which would play well to the jury who end up feeling sorry for this obviously not well-educated and young woman???

 

I'm thinking that as long as the defense attorney doesn't brutalize her or beat on her with his questions that she is making herself unsympathetic. Of course, my opinion doesn't matter nearly as much as the jury's opinion, and I'm thinking the jurors will find her unsympathetic. For example: "Creepy Ass Cracker" is racist, almost no two ways about it, especially from what I would imagine would be the perspective of a white (and hispanic) female jury. A female "creepy ass cracker" jury?

Edited June 27, 2013 by QuietDan

[Oh Shoot]

..For example: "Creepy Ass Cracker" is racist, almost no two ways about it, especially from what I would imagine would be the perspective of a white (and hispanic) female jury. A female "creepy ass cracker" jury?

 

She also said Travyon referred to him as some "ni**er" several times too. So unlike the MSM, he didn't consider him a "white Hispanic", eh?

 

- OS

[jgradyc]

Andrew, 

 

Thanks for posting these updates. 

[Guest Law of Self Defense]

Andrew, 

 

Thanks for posting these updates. 

 

My pleasure.

 

Andrew

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Zimmerman Trial Day 5:  Video, Analysis of State's Case & Witnesses

 

Hey folks,

 

Today marks the fifth day of the trial proper, with the State continuing to present it's case and witnesses.  

 

We will be covering the trial all day, with live-coverage, streaming video, and an embedded Twitter feed of selected contributors.  

 

We will also have a brief mid-day update during the lunch recess or immediately thereafter. (and not just a list of tweets, this time!)

 

For links to our live video coverage today, for access to our analysis and video of yesterday's testimony, and archives of all our prior posts both here at the Law of Self Defense and at Legal Insurrection, click here:

 

[URL=http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerman-trial-day-video-analysis-of-states-case-witnesses-2/]Zimmerman Trial Day 5: Video, Analysis of State’s Case & Witnesses[/URL]

 

Also, don't forget to "follow" my Twitter feed--most of my minute-by-minute observations and analysis over the course of the day are published on my Twitter feed:  @LawSelfDefense (no "of" in there).

 

Enjoy,

 

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[Guest nra37922]

Does this political show trial wrap up next week?

[RobertNashville]

Does this political show trial wrap up next week?

I can't imagine how it could...there are over 200 odd potential witnesses on the witness list plus next week will be a very short week...if this trial lasts less than a month I'll be pretty surprised.

[KahrMan]

From Andrews twitter feed:

 

#ZIMMERMAN TRIAL BLOCKBUSTER — TRANSCRIPT — "Black guy in black hoodie on top punching down MMA-style" http://is.gd/1UFCQU 

 

 

 

Sounds like prosecution witness Good testified to exactly what zimmerman said happened.  After cross examination, the prosecutor had to try to discredit his own witness.  This is the third witness for the prosecution that the prosecutor had to try to discredit because their story supported Zimmermans version of events.  

[R_Bert]

Andrew,

 

what are the risk probabilities for mistrial, hung jury, and other technical outcomes ?

 

What are probabilities for re-file by state in the event of anomalous outcome?

 

It seems to me that as "screwed up" as this appears to be for the state, some technical sleight of hand may suddenly take place to avoid a downright acquittal (and ensuing publicity chaos).

 

Bert

Edited June 29, 2013 by R_Bert

[mikegideon]

Andrew,

 

what are the risk probabilities for mistrial, hung jury, and other technical outcomes ?

 

What are probabilities for re-file by state in the event of anomalous outcome?

 

It seems to me that as "screwed up" as this appears to be for the state, some technicial sleight of hand may suddenly take place to avoid a downright aquittal (and ensuing publicity chaos).

 

Bert

 

I think you're asking him to look into his crystal ball. I believe the state probably never expected a murder 2 conviction. I just don't think anybody could be that stupid and still pass the bar.

[R_Bert]

I think you're asking him to look into his crystal ball. I believe the state probably never expected a murder 2 conviction. I just don't think anybody could be that stupid and still pass the bar.

 

 

Sort of, but with very wide margin of error.

 

Qualitative, more than quantitative.

 

Someone out there has to have postulated on this.

 

B.

 

 

Andrew,

 

what are the risk probabilities for mistrial, hung jury, and other technical outcomes ?

 

What are probabilities for re-file by state in the event of anomalous outcome?

 

It seems to me that as "screwed up" as this appears to be for the state, some technical sleight of hand may suddenly take place to avoid a downright acquittal (and ensuing publicity chaos).

 

Bert

 

S

[Guest nra37922]

Case should be dismissed.  If someone is on top of somebody punching them then I would think that FL's Stand Your Ground Law should take over

[TMF]

Case should be dismissed. If someone is on top of somebody punching them then I would think that FL's Stand Your Ground Law should take over

I think it has been made clear by both sides on this issue that SYG has absolutely nothing to do with this case.

[Sam1]

From what I've picked up on TV, most of the legal talking heads are saying the judge should put the kibosh on the case but won't.  This entire thing is a perfect example of what most expected to happen; feelings don't count as valid evidence.

[Guest Law of Self Defense]

Andrew,

 

what are the risk probabilities for mistrial, hung jury, and other technical outcomes ?

 

What are probabilities for re-file by state in the event of anomalous outcome?

 

It seems to me that as "screwed up" as this appears to be for the state, some technical sleight of hand may suddenly take place to avoid a downright acquittal (and ensuing publicity chaos).

 

Bert

 

Sure could be a mistrial.  If so, I don't see the state spending another $1MM plus on a re-trial, but who know, it's not THEIR money.

 

Andrew

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