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One question for you, do you think the state is going to focus on the emotional aspect and try to get a verdict based on that instead of evidence?  

 

Yes.

 

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When will you cover the witness testimony?

 

Working on it now, will post it tonight (subject to Legal Insurrections' post schedule).

 

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Working on it now, will post it tonight (subject to Legal Insurrections' post schedule).

 

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Can you offer any insight on whether you believe (or have heard) if Zimmerman will take the stand in his own defense?

 

If you think he will, do you think the accusations about him misleading the court about the money being donated to his defense will be raised by the prosecution to try and ruin his credibility?

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Can you offer any insight on whether you believe (or have heard) if Zimmerman will take the stand in his own defense?

 

If you think he will, do you think the accusations about him misleading the court about the money being donated to his defense will be raised by the prosecution to try and ruin his credibility?

 

I do not think he will take the stand.  I just don't see the upside for the defense. The State's got nothing, no sense seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

In the unlikely event that he does take the stand, the issues around the donated money will certainly be fair game for the State.

 

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Zimmerman Trial-- Day 1 Wrap-Up: Video, Analysis of State's First Witnesses

 

Hey folks,

 

I just posted up the wrap-up for day 1 of the Zimmerman Trial--this wrap-up includes analysis and video of the first four of the State's witnesses.

 

[URL=http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-one-analysis-of-states-first-four-witnesses/]Zimmerman Trial Day One – Analysis of State’s First Four Witnesses[/URL]

 

Enjoy,

 

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Great wrap up Andrew, thanks again for all of the play by play & expert opinion!

 

My pleasure.

 

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Based on your overview, the dispatcher's testimony shed some light into Zimmerman's state of mind during the incident. If, as a trained professional, he didn't get the impression that Zimmerman was overly angry, who am I to argue?

I am guilty of using what many would probably consider too much foul language. The "F" word is one of my favorites. While I use it for many different occasions, you can (or should be able to) clearly tell my state of mind. If I am as angry as many would like us to believe Zimmerman was, the "F" word is most likely going to be preceded and/or followed by a few more four letter words. In fairness, my girlfriend of 8 years continues to sometimes have a difficult time noticing the difference.

Thanks again for the updates.

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Based on your overview, the dispatcher's testimony shed some light into Zimmerman's state of mind during the incident. If, as a trained professional, he didn't get the impression that Zimmerman was overly angry, who am I to argue?

 

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Thanks again for the updates.

 

Anybody who listens to the audio can clearly hear that the words are said with resignation, not anger.  The dispatcher saying as much just gives the jury "permission" to acknowledge this truth, in case they felt they needed it.

 

And, yeah, that's a big deal.  A HUGE home run by O'Mara.  HUGE.

 

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The knock knock joke was just an incredible faux pas. It's what will be remembered by the public, especially since it's getting hammered in by the lib MSM.

 

Quite insensitive considering the gravity of the situation, and with TM's parents right in the room, and who knows how the jury took it. Those are the kind of things that sometimes nuance opinion far beyond the logic of things.

 

And besides that, it's an ancient joke, first heard it way back during OJ's first trial.

 

- OS

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The knock knock joke was just an incredible faux pas. It's what will be remembered by the public, especially since it's getting hammered in by the lib MSM.

 

Quite insensitive considering the gravity of the situation, and with TM's parents right in the room, and who knows how the jury took it. Those are the kind of things that sometimes nuance opinion far beyond the logic of things.

 

And besides that, it's an ancient joke, first heard it way back during OJ's first trial.

 

- OS

 

By the end of the week it will be ancient history. 

 

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By the end of the week it will be ancient history. 

 

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Well, see. Quite remarkable what sticks in folk's minds, even if subconscious. Can't hardly believe O'Mara vetted that.

 

And three hours. Too much right off the bat to grok by the jury I'd say, compared to the prosecutions few more precise points in a tidy 30 minutes. Hell, more than one commentator said that even Zim showed visible effort to stay awake during the third hour.

 

- OS

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The knock knock joke was just an incredible faux pas. It's what will be remembered by the public, especially since it's getting hammered in by the lib MSM.

 

Quite insensitive considering the gravity of the situation, and with TM's parents right in the room, and who knows how the jury took it. Those are the kind of things that sometimes nuance opinion far beyond the logic of things.

 

And besides that, it's an ancient joke, first heard it way back during OJ's first trial.

 

- OS

 

I'm of the opinion that there is no way he did that without it being calculated. No way that wasn't discussed and approved by the team before he delivered it.

 

So, if that is the case.

 

What does the joke accomplish (or could it have accomplished?)

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compared to the prosecutions few more precise points in a tidy 30 minutes. 

 

Guess you'll have to remind me what the State's "points" were in that 30 minutes--other than dire vocal modulations and concerns about properly loaded handguns.

 

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The knock knock joke was just an incredible faux pas. It's what will be remembered by the public, especially since it's getting hammered in by the lib MSM.

 

Quite insensitive considering the gravity of the situation, and with TM's parents right in the room, and who knows how the jury took it. Those are the kind of things that sometimes nuance opinion far beyond the logic of things.

 

And besides that, it's an ancient joke, first heard it way back during OJ's first trial.

 

- OS

 

The audience for the knock knock joke was the jury and the jury alone. The jury apparently was non-plussed by the joke itself, but the defense lawyer's summary and contextualization of the joke ". . . after all you (the jury) have been through . . . " I think still has positive value for the defense. The media's ridicule of the joke has no value, as finally we're into a court trial with a sequestered jury -- and the media has no power in that circumstance.

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I think the defense is doing a much better job, so far. They've kept things factual and boring, which kills the emotional pull the state is going for.

Based on what I heard, the state REALLY needed to prove what kind of mood Z was in that night. I don't think they did. In fact, I get the impression that he was rather calm and resigned, even when the "punks" and "always get away" part were stressed. Edited by BigK
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Well, see. Quite remarkable what sticks in folk's minds, even if subconscious. Can't hardly believe O'Mara vetted that.

 

And three hours. Too much right off the bat to grok by the jury I'd say, compared to the prosecutions few more precise points in a tidy 30 minutes. Hell, more than one commentator said that even Zim showed visible effort to stay awake during the third hour.

 

- OS

I guess 30 minutes is enough if 99% of what you've got to hang your hat on is emotion rather than facts. ;)

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Zimmerman Trial Day 2:  Video, Analysis of State's Case & Witnesses

 

Hey folks,

 

Today marks the second day of the trial proper, with the State continuing to present it's case and witnesses.

 

You can find the links to today's coverage including live video streaming and embedded Twitter feed, yesterday's analysis and video of the State's four witnesses, and yesterday's analysis and video of opening statements here:

 

[URL=http://lawofselfdefense.com/zimmerman-trial-day-2-video-analysis-of-states-case-witnesses/]Zimmerman Trial Day 2: Video, Analysis of State’s Case & Witnesses[/URL]

 

Enjoy,

 

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The audience for the knock knock joke was the jury and the jury alone.

 

Well, I can see how it may have offended some of them in another way. Basically, "you schmucks are on the jury because you're so out of the loop you didn't even know anything about the case".

 

I imagine we'll hear it mentioned again in the prosecution summation, too something like "the defense started this whole trial with a joke about how you the jury were selected, but I can assure you ladies and gentlemen, the fact that an unarmed young man with his whole life before him was murdered is far from a laughing matter..." or such.

 

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holy crap, The state better hope their other eye witnesses are better than the first.

brief recap

 

gave different testimony today than at 4 other interviews

may have discussed testimony with her sister to get the story strait

liked the J4T facebook page

signed the change.org petition  arrest the killer of our son 17 year old trayvon martin

said she waited to go to the police to avoid the media attention, yet did a long interview with the media that was never aired prior to going to the police

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