Mosin nagant mods

[ironsniper1]

How do some of you feel about people who modify their mosin nagant, like changing the stock or having it drill and tapped for a scope etc? I myself don't mind along as its not something super rare or something

[austin7.62]

I would never modify any of my milsurps, but that's just me.

I think if you can buy a R700 for $425 otd somewhere, put some $200 glass on it, you will have a more reliable, and more accurate rifle. That's just my opinion, and I know many people can't afford to put much money in a rifle and this is the attraction to the Mosins.

Edited February 23, 2013 by austin7.62

[Chucktshoes]

"EVERY SURPLUS RIFLE WITH BOLT ACTION IS CHEAP SOME TIME IN HISTORY. MOSIN NAGANT RIFLE IS MOST NUMEROUS OF ALL INFANTRY RIFLE. IT IS RIFLE THAT WINS OCTOBER REVOLUTION. IT IS RIFLE THAT CARRIES INFANTRY OF ALLIED FORCES IN EUROPE THROUGH GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR. MOSIN NAGANT RIFLE SERVES FOR MORE THAN CENTURY, OLD STOLEN RUSSIAN RECEIVER IS STILL USE BY SNIPER OF FINNISH ARMY.

YOU CAN BE HAPPY WITH 40,000 ROUBLE RIFLE WITH NO HISTORY AND PLASTIC STOCK WHO KILLS PAPER TARGET AND DEER WITH NO WEAPON OR FIGHTING HEART.

I CAN BE HAPPY WITH 2,000 ROUBLE RIFLE THAT IS ARTIFACT OF MILITARY HISTORY AND KILLS TSARIST AND NAZI ALIKE.

JOY OF HAVING MOSIN NAGANT RIFLE IS JOY THAT MONEY CANNOT AFFORD. "

Ivan Chesnokov.

[Mike.357]

personally I am careful about screwing with war relics.  I have had several Mosin's.  The worst looking of the lot is my current one and I would never change much of anything on it.  I did use steel wool on the stock and used some Arrow Wood Finish on it.  I just basically knocked the burrs off of the piece of railroad tie the stock was fashioned from and sealed the wood. Still looks rough as a cob.  I don't think the mag well cover matches the other numbers.  So basically it is a POS Russian rifle.

 

But it is a war relic and I ain't messing with it.  Hopefully it killed some Nazi's and Russian's both.  (Godless rats they both are)

[TrickyNicky]

I'm not much for non reversible modifications. I'd say anything that can be undone is fine but I wouldn't go chopping off sights or cutting down barrels or such. Maybe swap out a the stock to something more comfortable if you like.

I think these days there are so many inexpensive options out there that most likely you can find what it is you really want without having to carve up a historic piece.

I will admit that I have been thinking about putting a scope on one of my Nagants, haven't done so yet, but the thought has crossed my mind more than once. I can tell you if I came across a bubba'd one that already drilled and tapped I would be tempted if the price was right.

[Guest tangojuliet]

"EVERY SURPLUS RIFLE WITH BOLT ACTION IS CHEAP SOME TIME IN HISTORY. MOSIN NAGANT RIFLE IS MOST NUMEROUS OF ALL INFANTRY RIFLE. IT IS RIFLE THAT WINS OCTOBER REVOLUTION. IT IS RIFLE THAT CARRIES INFANTRY OF ALLIED FORCES IN EUROPE THROUGH GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR. MOSIN NAGANT RIFLE SERVES FOR MORE THAN CENTURY, OLD STOLEN RUSSIAN RECEIVER IS STILL USE BY SNIPER OF FINNISH ARMY.

YOU CAN BE HAPPY WITH 40,000 ROUBLE RIFLE WITH NO HISTORY AND PLASTIC STOCK WHO KILLS PAPER TARGET AND DEER WITH NO WEAPON OR FIGHTING HEART.

I CAN BE HAPPY WITH 2,000 ROUBLE RIFLE THAT IS ARTIFACT OF MILITARY HISTORY AND KILLS TSARIST AND NAZI ALIKE.

JOY OF HAVING MOSIN NAGANT RIFLE IS JOY THAT MONEY CANNOT AFFORD. "

Ivan Chesnokov.

what this guy said  :up:

[smokndav]

I put a scout scope on my very nice laminated stock 91/30 but the stock sights can be put back on in just a few minutes. 

My other thought is, if you want to D&T one for a scope , just do it unless you have an unusual model. There are many more out there that you can keep original.

My plan at this time is shooting at Norris early Sunday. Will take my" new to me sniper" and try to sight the scope. Will also take another Mosin in the arsenal, prob. a m44

[bajabuc]

I have one.  Awful looking thing.  6 inches cut off the barrel, nose job on the stock and that terrible aluminum front sight.  So I modified it even more.  I got an M44 stock (Thanks John.) and made one of the worst looking battlefield pickup rifles you ever saw out of it.  It has no finish and the wood grain is canyons instead of wood.  It is exactly what one should do to a Bubbaed Mosin.  Make it look like someone pulled it out of the hands of a VC.

[1gewehr]

Mosin rifle is perfect as is.  The Great Socialist Revolution has provided perfect rifle for Workers to use against Greedy Capitalist running-dog Oppressors!  All Workers are Equal with this rifle.  Bolt operation gives Workers Strong Right Arm!  Only weak American lackey arms need to use hammer or wood stick to beat bolt open when rifle gets warm!

 

Replace wood stock grown from trees of the Holy Motherland with Capitalist plastic produced from greedy aristocratic oil-scum ?!  Take this unpatriotic mewling scum out and shoot him with Excellent Cheka Commisar Nagant pistol.

[peejman]

I have one.  Awful looking thing.  6 inches cut off the barrel, nose job on the stock and that terrible aluminum front sight.  So I modified it even more.  I got an M44 stock (Thanks John.) and made one of the worst looking battlefield pickup rifles you ever saw out of it.  It has no finish and the wood grain is canyons instead of wood.  It is exactly what one should do to a Bubbaed Mosin.  Make it look like someone pulled it out of the hands of a VC.

 

 

This requires pics....

[Garufa]

This requires pics....

 

It truly is hideous.  :lol:

[BigK]

I wanna shake the man's hand that puts a black polymer stock on a Mosin to lighten it up, takes it out to the range to put 100 rounds through it, and comes home without a bruise.

[Jonnin]

About 40 years ago my dad bought a rifle for about $100.  Just an old milsurp, mail order, as he was young, not terribly well off, and had heard you could cut them up to make a good deer rifle.   Everyone did this, because everyone had one and there seemed to be an infinite supply of em.  But my dad forgot about his, and it sat there untouched in cosmo. So one by one over the next 30 years or so they were butchered --- cut the wood to ribbons or throw it away and put on a cheap stock, cut the barrel off, rechamber the barrel to eat cheap common ammo like 30-06, drill holes for scopes, or the action was pulled out and the rest sold for scrap to make a custom rifle for the more well to do bubbas.

 

 

Fast forward today --- the rifle is worth at least $2k, maybe more --- someone recently sold one with a heavily sanded stock for more than 2k ---  because there are not many left in decent condition now.   You can get a POS one that has been cut up, but if you want a one in original condition, better have a bankroll. 

 

That said --- I am all for seating a mosin in a new stock and using "do no harm" no-drill scope mounts to make a shooting rifle out of it.  If you can "undo" whatever you do, its fine.  If the gun is fully mismatched or already ruined by some table top gunsmith, its fine.  If its an all matching gun in good condition, consider leaving it alone.   If you want a cheap rifle, go to a gun show and buy a used hunting rifle, most of which were dragged behind the truck to and from the hunt but are still LNIB inside.

Edited February 25, 2013 by Jonnin

[TrickyNicky]

About 40 years ago my dad bought a rifle for about $100.  Just an old milsurp, mail order, as he was young, not terribly well off, and had heard you could cut them up to make a good deer rifle.   Everyone did this, because everyone had one and there seemed to be an infinite supply of em.  But my dad forgot about his, and it sat there untouched in cosmo. So one by one over the next 30 years or so they were butchered --- cut the wood to ribbons or throw it away and put on a cheap stock, cut the barrel off, rechamber the barrel to eat cheap common ammo like 30-06, drill holes for scopes, or the action was pulled out and the rest sold for scrap to make a custom rifle for the more well to do bubbas.
 
 
Fast forward today --- the rifle is worth at least $2k, maybe more --- someone recently sold one with a heavily sanded stock for more than 2k ---  because there are not many left in decent condition now.   You can get a POS one that has been cut up, but if you want a one in original condition, better have a bankroll. 
 
That said --- I am all for seating a mosin in a new stock and using "do no harm" no-drill scope mounts to make a shooting rifle out of it.  If you can "undo" whatever you do, its fine.  If the gun is fully mismatched or already ruined by some table top gunsmith, its fine.  If its an all matching gun in good condition, consider leaving it alone.   If you want a cheap rifle, go to a gun show and buy a used hunting rifle, most of which were dragged behind the truck to and from the hunt but are still LNIB inside.

So what was your dads rifle? Got pics?

[gjohnsoniv]

Yeah sorry I drilled and tapped one of mine for a rail.

[ironsniper1]

Yeah sorry I drilled and tapped one of mine for a rail.

for reals?! got pics?

[BigK]

I'd like to mount a long eye-relief scope, like a scout rifle, on my Chinese Type 53 (Mosin clone), but I hear the rear sight mounts suck. Edited February 26, 2013 by BigK

[Jonnin]

So what was your dads rifle? Got pics?

 

I will have to dig for the pic its been on here before. 

 

Its a like it was made yesterday 1909 argy mauser, complete with matched barrel cap, matched bayo, etc.    I can count on 1 hand the number I have seen that were intact, most were ground out to 30-06 and the wood chopped off, barrel chopped off, wood sanded, metal refinished, etc.   A guy I know has a sniper model.... that they cut to pieces, you can barely tell what it was but the old scope mount & bent bolt tell the story.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Jonnin

[gjohnsoniv]

for reals?! got pics?

 

 

for reals?! got pics?

Yeah, wanted to mount a red dot for hog hunting. I'll get some pics in the morning.

[austin7.62]

About 40 years ago my dad bought a rifle for about $100.  Just an old milsurp, mail order, as he was young, not terribly well off, and had heard you could cut them up to make a good deer rifle.   Everyone did this, because everyone had one and there seemed to be an infinite supply of em.  But my dad forgot about his, and it sat there untouched in cosmo. So one by one over the next 30 years or so they were butchered --- cut the wood to ribbons or throw it away and put on a cheap stock, cut the barrel off, rechamber the barrel to eat cheap common ammo like 30-06, drill holes for scopes, or the action was pulled out and the rest sold for scrap to make a custom rifle for the more well to do bubbas.

 

 

Fast forward today --- the rifle is worth at least $2k, maybe more --- someone recently sold one with a heavily sanded stock for more than 2k ---  because there are not many left in decent condition now.   You can get a POS one that has been cut up, but if you want a one in original condition, better have a bankroll. 

 

That said --- I am all for seating a mosin in a new stock and using "do no harm" no-drill scope mounts to make a shooting rifle out of it.  If you can "undo" whatever you do, its fine.  If the gun is fully mismatched or already ruined by some table top gunsmith, its fine.  If its an all matching gun in good condition, consider leaving it alone.   If you want a cheap rifle, go to a gun show and buy a used hunting rifle, most of which were dragged behind the truck to and from the hunt but are still LNIB inside.

In my old thread?

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/53648-which-mauser/

Edited February 26, 2013 by austin7.62

[Guest tommy62]

Sorry guys. ATI stock, turn down bolt, ATI scope mount. Mil dot scope. I kept the bayonet.

[Mike.357]

Buc's rifle would scar your eyeballs.  Ugliest thing ever, lol. Looks good on him though.

[GlockSpock]

Just in case any of you have not seen this yet:

 

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

[Guest HvyMtl]

Thoughts: The rarer Mosins, do not touch.  The inexpensive ones, that will not be rare, or will not be rare for a long time, buy two (or more.)  The best one(s), keep as is.  The torn up one, keep all the parts, and play with.  If you are concerned with future value, make sure 100% of what you do is reversable.  If there is no concern over that, then do what you want, it is your rifle.

 

No one can own just one.

[bajabuc]

Thoughts: The rarer Mosins, do not touch.  The inexpensive ones, that will not be rare, or will not be rare for a long time, buy two (or more.)  The best one(s), keep as is.  The torn up one, keep all the parts, and play with.  If you are concerned with future value, make sure 100% of what you do is reversable.  If there is no concern over that, then do what you want, it is your rifle.

 

No one can own just one.

I have two...it's not enough