Republicans are getting weak kneed (again)

[KaNuckles]

Seems they may be willing to compromise on magazine capacity...

 

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/lawmakers-magazine-clip-limits/2013/02/18/id/490874?promo_code=12390-1&utm_source=12390PJ_Media&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

 

I wish one person in that party had some seeds.....

[LagerHead]

I'm sorry, but the title of your post seems to imply that there was a time in recent memory when the Republicans WEREN'T weak-kneed. They're just as bought and paid for as the Democrats. They share one common goal: get reelected. That's the only thing that interests any of them. The current compromise is just another example of how they allow the Democrats to control the message and are forced to "compromise," or as anyone with any sense would call it, buckle.

[maroonandwhite]

So I guess they are just overlooking the fact that a POLICE OFFICER just went on a "Rampage" (their words not mine) with one of the 30 round killing machines. Guess they are just overlooking that. Kind of puts a flaw in that logic. Of course we all already know this.....

 

I have the utmost respect for our armed forces and police officers and am not trying to downplay the training they receive but I am getting sick and tired of the word civilians being synonymous with ignorant,irresponsible, and dangerous unless supervised when it comes to firearms!!! I know a few police officers that have less training than I have received as a civilian (which isn't much at all). They are not dangerous by any means and know how to operate their firearms but aren't any better a shot than I am. They also aren't any less prone to going nuts and shooting everyone.

 

These politicians that are trying to pass this crap are not only "weak kneed" but they are selfish, self serving, idiots that think we are stupid!

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I doubt this will get any traction. That article only mentioned one Republican and told a bit different story. There will be as

big a mess about mag capacity as anything else in that AWB of Feinstein's desire. There will be a lot of resistance from

other than New Yorkers if this does gain traction.

[KaNuckles]

I'm sorry, but the title of your post seems to imply that there was a time in recent memory when the Republicans WEREN'T weak-kneed. They're just as bought and paid for as the Democrats. They share one common goal: get reelected. That's the only thing that interests any of them. The current compromise is just another example of how they allow the Democrats to control the message and are forced to "compromise," or as anyone with any sense would call it, buckle.

that's why I put "again" in parentheses...They are nothing but pushovers anymore. IDK why they won't show some fortitude. Being pu$$ies...i mean "compromising"...is what is losing them elections. They talk big then cave. 

 

So I guess they are just overlooking the fact that a POLICE OFFICER just went on a "Rampage" (their words not mine) with one of the 30 round killing machines. Guess they are just overlooking that. Kind of puts a flaw in that logic. Of course we all already know this.....

 

I have the utmost respect for our armed forces and police officers and am not trying to downplay the training they receive but I am getting sick and tired of the word civilians being synonymous with ignorant,irresponsible, and dangerous unless supervised when it comes to firearms!!! I know a few police officers that have less training than I have received as a civilian (which isn't much at all). They are not dangerous by any means and know how to operate their firearms but aren't any better a shot than I am. They also aren't any less prone to going nuts and shooting everyone.

 

These politicians that are trying to pass this crap are not only "weak kneed" but they are selfish, self serving, idiots that think we are stupid!

People seem to forget (ignore) that LEO are human, too. And are subject to the same problems as anyone else. Plus add the stress of their job. 

 

I doubt this will get any traction. That article only mentioned one Republican and told a bit different story. There will be as

big a mess about mag capacity as anything else in that AWB of Feinstein's desire. There will be a lot of resistance from

other than New Yorkers if this does gain traction.

I hope you're right. But the way they have been acting I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them sponsoring the bills....

[RobertNashville]

...I am getting sick and tired of the word civilians being synonymous with ignorant,irresponsible, and dangerous unless supervised when it comes to firearms!!!

I agree. The problem is that the vast majority of the ruling elite (i.e. politicians from BOTH parties) believe we mere civilians ARE ignorant, irresponsible and dangerous unless supervised AND controlled and that belief goes fare beyond firearms. Oh...there are a few elected officials of both parties that don't think that way but not many and their numbers are dwindling.

Whether this compromise gains any traction or not, I have zero faith in our elected legislatures (state or federal) to do the right thing.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

that's why I put "again" in parentheses...They are nothing but pushovers anymore. IDK why they won't show some fortitude. Being pu$$ies...i mean "compromising"...is what is losing them elections. They talk big then cave. 

 

People seem to forget (ignore) that LEO are human, too. And are subject to the same problems as anyone else. Plus add the stress of their job. 

 

I hope you're right. But the way they have been acting I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them sponsoring the bills....

They will always sponsor a bill to get it to a vote, but that doesn't mean even they will vote for it. Depends on their

status with their constituency, sometimes.

[maroonandwhite]

Whether this compromise gains any traction or not, I have zero faith in our elected legislatures (state or federal) to do the right thing.

 I agree. This kind of raises another question I have been asking myself. When we get to this point what else can we do? I have emailed and written reps and received all the same canned responses everyone else has. I have hope that they can do something but not much confidence.

 

I am just wondering is there any other peaceful measure I myself can take other than trying my best to educate the population on guns and/or sitting on my hands waiting for the inevitable. It's just pretty clear to me that while I do believe this is still the greatest nation on the planet we have a few up in D.C who want to cash in on that at our expense. This nation is great because the PEOPLE made it that way. Not the laws or regulations. When the people who don't think that way outnumber those that do I will be very very worried.

[LagerHead]

that's why I put "again" in parentheses...They are nothing but pushovers anymore. IDK why they won't show some fortitude. Being pu$$ies...i mean "compromising"...is what is losing them elections. They talk big then cave. 

 

I hope you don't think my rant was aimed at anyone other than politicians. 

[KaNuckles]

I hope you don't think my rant was aimed at anyone other than politicians. 

Nope...I never thought anything of it. And I agree with you 100%. 

[frankmako]

we need to vote out both parties.  but the problem is that the common man does not have the money to run for office. 

[RobertNashville]

...I am just wondering is there any other peaceful measure I myself can take other than trying my best to educate the population on guns and/or sitting on my hands waiting for the inevitable.

It's just pretty clear to me that while I do believe this is still the greatest nation on the planet we have a few up in D.C who want to cash in on that at our expense. This nation is great because the PEOPLE made it that way. Not the laws or regulations. When the people who don't think that way outnumber those that do I will be very very worried.

That's a really excellent question and I sure wish I had an answer for you (and myself).

I would never have thought it even as recently as a couple of years ago but this country and the liberal forces driving it today seem...
 
1. hellbent on forcing a revolution, or
2. Are convinced that the American people would never rebel and just capitulate, or
3. They are so secure in their smugness that they assume they can force their will on the people no matter what meaning any revolution/uprising would be quelled quickly.
 
Just today, a friend of mine noted on Facebook that he had just watched a video of a women in Ohio voting SIX TIMES during the last election and he (and I) think that is going on everywhere with NO ONE prosecuting these scumbags. If we can't trust our election process then stick a fork in us because we are DONE as a democratic republic no matter who runs for office. Edited February 20, 2013 by RobertNashville

[Wingshooter]

That's a really excellent question and I sure wish I had an answer for you (and myself).I would never have thought it even as recently as a couple of years ago but this country and the liberal forces driving it today seem... 1. hellbent on forcing a revolution, or2. Are convinced that the American people would never rebel and just capitulate, or3. They are so secure in their smugness that they assume they can force their will on the people no matter what meaning any revolution/uprising would be quelled quickly. Just today, a friend of mine noted on Facebook that he had just watched a video of a women in Ohio voting SIX TIMES during the last election and he (and I) think that is going on everywhere with NO ONE prosecuting these scumbags. If we can't trust our election process then stick a fork in us because we are DONE as a democratic republic no matter who runs for office.

Can we as citizens start pressing charges against these people when they are brought to light? Make a high-profile example out of a handful of fraudulent voters might deter some of that junk next time around.

[RobertNashville]

Can we as citizens start pressing charges against these people when they are brought to light? Make a high-profile example out of a handful of fraudulent voters might deter some of that junk next time around.

No one seems interested; least of all the Obama Justice Department...ordinary citizens can't force someone to be prosecuted.

[Garufa]

Can we as citizens start pressing charges against these people when they are brought to light? Make a high-profile example out of a handful of fraudulent voters might deter some of that junk next time around.

 

We would need a seperate government to govern the one we already have.

[Guest sL1k]

one thing to consider did anyone else see a name of a republican law maker that was for it?

didn't Biden just come out and say that he is depending the news media to get the story out ? It sounds like he is getting his way.

it is definitely not a time to to stop the pressure. I see this as a tactic though.

[itchytriggerfinger]

I agree. The problem is that the vast majority of the ruling elite (i.e. politicians from BOTH parties) ....

 

Sort of taking your comment out of context to point something out, and not trying to hijack the thread, but has anyone watched the Netflix House of Cards series?  No spoilers please, I'm only on episode three.  We're liking it.

 

Point being, we're being ruled by the "ruling elite", and just as frankmako commented, unless you've got some serious cash, the common man has no chance of getting into office.  Watch the show. It portrays the Washington elite.  But it's no act.  That's really what happens.  A good friend of mine was a "coffee runner" for a while for a Michigan senator and he said the whole government is built on backroom deals and backstabbing to advance their career.  Their jobs have little to do with the people they represent.

[kieefer]

:stick:   Snakes don't have knees.

[GoneBallistic]

I have the utmost respect for our armed forces and police officers and am not trying to downplay the training they receive but I am getting sick and tired of the word civilians being synonymous with ignorant,irresponsible, and dangerous unless supervised when it comes to firearms!!!

You make a good point but here lately, combat vets are being put at the top of the list of "dangers to society" (most recently, the Chris Kyle tragedy) and "potential terrorist threats". We are looked at through an even more disdainful eye from the left. But I do agree with you otherwise.

[maroonandwhite]

I don't want to turn this into an OC vs CC thread so PLEASE don't contribute to that but...... I think I am going to go against my better judgement and start OC'ing all I can. If my letters and emails are falling on mostly deaf ears I think OC'ing will at least do my parts to expose the general public to the presence of a law abiding, sane, responsible, gun owner/carrier. If anything it will hopefully lead to more questions about guns in general, why I carry, etc. I have already "converted 5 or 6 friends and it is a good feeling. I feel like I personally can accomplish more doing that than sending emails.

 

I believe if you do it right and give them the correct information and maybe even a little free 1 on 1 lesson time they can in turn do the same for their other friends. Best way to get the fire started in my opinion. Again I know most have been doing this all along but I am just gasping for air I guess. Looking for something to make a difference.

[RED333]

I don't want to turn this into an OC vs CC thread so PLEASE don't contribute to that but...... I think I am going to go against my better judgement and start OC'ing all I can. If my letters and emails are falling on mostly deaf ears I think OC'ing will at least do my parts to expose the general public to the presence of a law abiding, sane, responsible, gun owner/carrier. If anything it will hopefully lead to more questions about guns in general, why I carry, etc. I have already "converted 5 or 6 friends and it is a good feeling. I feel like I personally can accomplish more doing that than sending emails.

 

I believe if you do it right and give them the correct information and maybe even a little free 1 on 1 lesson time they can in turn do the same for their other friends. Best way to get the fire started in my opinion. Again I know most have been doing this all along but I am just gasping for air I guess. Looking for something to make a difference.

I to have thought of this.

We think the contacts are falling on deaf ears, but keep sending then.

The more we flood their in-books the more they know we are paying attention.

[maroonandwhite]

I to have thought of this.

We think the contacts are falling on deaf ears, but keep sending then.

The more we flood their in-books the more they know we are paying attention.

Yeah I am still doing it, just getting very discouraged....I hope you are right though.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Our federal government is so detached from our day to day lives that they don't, or won't, connect to their jobs

and how it is hurting the country. I'm still for the Republican Party being taken over from within, but that also

means we have to send one way tickets out of the Party to people like Rove, Boehner and others. I don't see

anything happening until that is accomplished, if it ever will.

 

Lumping everyone in that category, bad politicians, is unjust and will only serve to throw the baby out with the

bath water, but today's version of human nature, which is concocted from paying too much attention and being

brainwashed by the media only makes it worse for those who allow it. We may have already driven the car over

the cliff. Once you get inside the city of DC, everything is different and you almost at once get a feeling of some

arrogance and condescension that may take a complete change to replace. Common sense is thrown away and

the people we send there have to be on their toes or they get the Potomac Fever on day one if they're not.

It all boils down to our own BS detectors being refined and strict requirements of constitutional law.

 

Our own self interest is our problem, not DC's, and their job is to keep laws off our back, not keep piling on crap

they have no right or reason to do. I'm beginning to see only one way out. If they won't change, they will have to

change by another method.

 

Just saying "vote them all out each time" doesn't do anything until you get everyone else to go along with it any

more than any other scheme. Our problem is there are too many among us who will disagree because of our own

ego, or other reason's, like self interest in a government program that benefits them. My fear is that a total purge

is what is needed and that is exactly what the federal lawmaker fears, also. Hence Homeland Security.

 

Is that tinfoil enough for ya?